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Old Aug 12, 2013, 08:51 PM   #1
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Larry Ellison Hints at Bleak Future For Apple Without Steve Jobs




Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, who was a close friend of Steve Jobs, hinted that Apple may have a bleak future without Jobs in an interview with CBS News' Charlie Rose (via AllThingsD) where he was asked how he thought the company would do without its co-founder.
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"Well, we already know," Ellison told Rose. "We saw -- we conducted the experiment. I mean, it's been done. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. We saw Apple without Steve Jobs. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. Now, we're gonna see Apple without Steve Jobs."
Ellison seems to be referring to when Jobs was ousted by the Apple board in 1985, causing the company to struggle. Jobs returned in 1997 and rebuilt the company, streamlining product lines and introducing successful new offerings like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad.

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In addition to being friends with Jobs, Larry Ellison was an Apple Director until he stepped down from the board in 2002, affording him a look at the inner workings of Apple. He also publicly hinted at buying the company when it was struggling in 1997.

The full interview is set to appear on "CBS This Morning" on Tuesday morning.

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Old Aug 12, 2013, 08:54 PM   #2
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Funny, Ellison steps down from the board in 2002, right around the time that Apple's second coming started in earnest.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 08:56 PM   #3
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Reminds me of when Michael Dell started pontificating a similar rhetoric back in the day.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 08:57 PM   #4
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Coming from the guy who is one bad weekend away from turning into that Macafee guy that's pretty rich.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 08:57 PM   #5
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Completely different situation. Back then the people who fired Jobs hated his guts.

This time, Jobs trusted most (if not all) the people on the exec team.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 08:58 PM   #6
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Wow his explanation was so scientific!
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 08:59 PM   #7
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Yup it's happening. Just look at the state of iOS 7 and the cheap plastic rumoured iPhones. Steve Jobs would have never allowed this.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 08:59 PM   #8
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Steve probably never cared about the company---just his legacy. Apple's demise is plausibly all part of his plans of immortalization.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:01 PM   #9
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Just as long as we dont go back into numbering schemes i think we'll be fine.

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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:04 PM   #10
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Whether you like his opinion or not, you do kinda have to respect it. Even though it was so late in the 90s and early in the 2000s when he was on Apple's board, he did see a lot more than the public does of what goes on in the company.

I'm tired of the "Steve would've never let this happen" thing. But on the other hand, if the board is worried there hasn't been enough innovation since Steve has been gone, you have to wonder what's going on in the product pipeline, especially since Steve set Apple up for a few years.

Was the Retina display MacBook Pro the last thing in Steve's pipeline? Did the company change course? Is Tim Cook not acting as Steve had wished?

But needless to say, not a single person in the public knows what's going on behind closed doors and can't answer any of these questions I just stated. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:04 PM   #11
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Larry Ellison is a clueless arrogant prick. That is the number 1 reason i left Oracle - i was sick of making him rich while our bonuses were cut every year. Take his prediction with a grain of salt. He is clueless. I don't know what Steve saw in him. I think he just liked competing with him.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:06 PM   #12
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Did anyone else re-read that quote a few times to see if they missed something?
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:08 PM   #13
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Unfortunately it's true. It's not just Steve's impact, but the entire concept of drive for the company. Everything they do is so interdependent on their overall theme of delivering a good product, while using the bare minimum hardware. That's such a delicate method, that if they fail to do that correctly, they will lose all hope. And of course Jony Ive taking over iOS and sh***ing all over the design doesn't help things. He got rid of what everyone loved about iOS, and now even though it looks more modern, it is a cluster fk of white, and the device is harder to use, and takes more time. It's not just getting used to things, it just isn't as intuitive. You can't even tell what half of the icons are while in apps anymore because they're just blank icons with white outlines.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:08 PM   #14
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Wow his explanation was so scientific!
Yea, especially that air graph he drew with his finger. Brilliant!
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:08 PM   #15
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Steve probably never cared about the company---just his legacy. Apple's demise is plausibly all part of his plans of immortalization.
That's a joke, right?
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:09 PM   #16
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Cue the Apple fans in denial.
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Old Aug 12, 2013, 09:13 PM   #17
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Of course the last time Steve left the company he hadn't been running it in the first place and clearly didn't pick the executive team left behind.

While Apple's future may or may not be bleak, what happened the last time isn't a valid comparison.
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Yup it's happening. Just look at the state of iOS 7 and the cheap plastic rumoured iPhones. Steve Jobs would have never allowed this.
NID....surprised it took 7 posts before we saw it.
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Yup it's happening. Just look at the state of iOS 7 and the cheap plastic rumoured iPhones. Steve Jobs would have never allowed this.
iOS 7 is gorgeous (a few dubious choices for the stock app icons notwithstanding), and it has worked beautifully since Beta 3 or 4, too.
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Yup it's happening. Just look at the state of iOS 7 and the cheap plastic rumoured iPhones. Steve Jobs would have never allowed this.
Steve Jobs released cheap plastic iPods, cheap plastic MacBooks.
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Yup it's happening. Just look at the state of iOS 7 and the cheap plastic rumoured iPhones. Steve Jobs would have never allowed this.
stop being such a cliche.

iOS 7 is solid, whether you're afraid of change or not. and lower cost iPhones for emerging markets (read: poor, and kids) is exactly what they need. jobs did the same exact thing with the iPod. hell for all you know he planned it.
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Unfortunately it's true. It's not just Steve's impact, but the entire concept of drive for the company. Everything they do is so interdependent on their overall theme of delivering a good product, while using the bare minimum hardware. That's such a delicate method, that if they fail to do that correctly, they will lose all hope. And of course Jony Ive taking over iOS and sh***ing all over the design doesn't help things. He got rid of what everyone loved about iOS, and now even though it looks more modern, it is a cluster fk of white, and the device is harder to use, and takes more time. It's not just getting used to things, it just isn't as intuitive. You can't even tell what half of the icons are while in apps anymore because they're just blank icons with white outlines.
Speak for yourself.
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Completely different situation. Back then the people who fired Jobs hated his guts.

This time, Jobs trusted most (if not all) the people on the exec team.
yep. and trained them, and hand-picked his successor, and designed an internal teaching academy.

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Steve probably never cared about the company---just his legacy. Apple's demise is plausibly all part of his plans of immortalization.
absurd.
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Unfortunately it's true. It's not just Steve's impact, but the entire concept of drive for the company. Everything they do is so interdependent on their overall theme of delivering a good product, while using the bare minimum hardware. That's such a delicate method, that if they fail to do that correctly, they will lose all hope. And of course Jony Ive taking over iOS and sh***ing all over the design doesn't help things. He got rid of what everyone loved about iOS, and now even though it looks more modern, it is a cluster fk of white, and the device is harder to use, and takes more time. It's not just getting used to things, it just isn't as intuitive. You can't even tell what half of the icons are while in apps anymore because they're just blank icons with white outlines.
Thank you! I completely agree and it seems that nobody around here can this through their heads.
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But on the other hand, if the board is worried there hasn't been enough innovation since Steve has been gone, you have to wonder what's going on
there's absolutely no reason to believe the board is worried. you're referencing an unsubstantiated rumor from Fox. let that sink in.
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