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Old Aug 26, 2013, 08:33 PM   #1
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Apple Accuses DOJ of Wanting Amazon to Have 'Significant Competitive Advantage'




Apple today responded (via GigaOM) to the Department of Justice's revised proposal accusing Apple of implementing in-app purchase rules to spite Amazon, stating that the DOJ is simply "seeking a remedy that would give Amazon a significant competitive advantage over Apple."
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Plantiffs are seeking a remedy that would give Amazon a significant competitive advantage over Apple - an advantage it is neither entitled to nor deserves. This is plainly improper and highly counterproductive.

Now-after the trial is over and this court has ruled-is not the time to adjudicate a whole new array of legal and factual issues based on evidence that is outside the record and which largely post-dates the events at issue.
First filed last Friday, the DOJ's revised punishment for Apple's guilty collusion verdict suggested Apple had initiated its in-app purchasing rules in order to "retaliate against Amazon for competitive conduct that Apple disapproved of" and to "make it more difficult for consumers using Apple devices to compare ebook prices among different retailers."

In the proposal, the DOJ aimed to provide support for its argument that Apple should be forced to allow e-book retailers like Amazon and Barnes & Noble to place links to their respective bookstores within their App Store apps. Apple is opposed to the idea, as it would give Amazon a way to sell books within its App Store apps while avoiding paying Apple a 30% cut of the proceeds.

The DOJ also argued that Apple should be subjected to third party monitoring to prevent future collusion and should have staggered renegotiations with book publishers. Apple conceded to this last point, but continues to fight both the monitor and the suggestion that Amazon and other e-book retailers should be allowed links in their App Store apps.

Apple and the DOJ will meet with Judge Cote to further discuss the proposal on Tuesday. In addition to the DOJ's proposed punishment, Apple could also be forced to pay up to $500 million in damages.

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Old Aug 26, 2013, 08:35 PM   #2
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Man Amazon, what a douche...
*buys cat food on Amazon with free two-day shipping*
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 08:37 PM   #3
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Oh no, that's terrible....

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Old Aug 26, 2013, 08:42 PM   #4
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What did Apple expect?

Of course the DOJ wants Amazon to prevail.

Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post not to make money. As a financial investment it's a terrible one.

As a political investment it's a brilliant one.

Eric Holder and his boss, the President, are buying good coverage in the Washington Post with the DOJ attack on Apple.

It shouldn't take Apple by surprise. Perhaps Apple would be wise to buy that other lousy investment: the New York Times. It wouldn't cost that much these days.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 08:49 PM   #5
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"the ones" punishment of apple's success continues...

the anti-apple campaign began last september and continues on to this day. his anti-business message is old. just like him.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 08:53 PM   #6
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the anti-apple campaign began last september and continues on to this day. his anti-business message is old. just like him.
Are you all kidding me? Apple is so wrong on this one. Even the biggest Apple fan boy should be able to see this!
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Forcing Apple to allow Amazon to link directly to their own store is like forcing Walmart to tell people how to buy directly from the manufactures of their products.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:05 PM   #9
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Apple and the DoJ will meet with Judge Cote to further discuss the proposal on Tuesday.
This was the same judge who predetermined the trial's outcome before a single shred of evidence was presented in court. What a sham.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:06 PM   #10
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Of course the DOJ wants Amazon to prevail.

Eric Holder and his boss, the President, are buying good coverage in the Washington Post with the DOJ attack on Apple.
You realize that the Obama administration brought in more Mac's over the years, and this is the first time we have a Chief Technology Officer:

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President Obama named Chopra as the nation’s first CTO in April 2009. As an associate director within the Office of Science & Technology Policy, Chopra’s formal assignment was to work with chief information officer Vivek Kundra to set federal technology policies that would make government more efficient and more transparent.
Source: Aneesh Chopra, Obama’s Chief Technology Officer, Talks About Health IT Geek Squads, Entrepreneurship Prizes, and “Data as a Policy Lever”

Many are Mac savvy and fought the "legacy" Windows systems. Eventually, Obama began moving to Mac systems.

Interesting as the "Washington Post" first addressed this, and not in a nice light for Obama, so not sure why you believe the Post is working with Obama to take Apple down.

Mac-savvy Obama staffers frustrated with legacy White House

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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:07 PM   #11
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I see apple is finally going after the DOJ. Which is what happens when the DOJ keeps trying to goat apple on like school bully. Now it's just matter of time for apple to sue the gov for 500 million.

If apple pulls out of the ebook ring tomorrow it would just be a matter of time for b&n to fold under. Then all those ebook prices will just shoot back up...why? No competition for amazon to under cut.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:08 PM   #12
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Forcing Apple to allow Amazon to link directly to their own store is like forcing Walmart to tell people how to buy directly from the manufactures of their products.
Exactly. Or like forcing Walmart to tell people how to find their products at the Target down the road.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:10 PM   #13
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It's amazing how many of these types of stories devolve into political debate. I sometimes cringe while clicking on the comments link.
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It's amazing how many of these types of stories devolve into political debate. I sometimes cringe while clicking on the comments link.
What's even worse is how many people don't know what they're talking about, yet still get all righteous and shrill about it nonetheless.
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It's amazing how many of these types of stories devolve into political debate. I sometimes cringe while clicking on the comments link.
The political debate started with the original MR article. If you don't want political debate, read other articles.
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I see apple is finally going after the DOJ. Which is what happens when the DOJ keeps trying to goat apple on like school bully. Now it's just matter of time for apple to sue the gov for 500 million.

If apple pulls out of the ebook ring tomorrow it would just be a matter of time for b&n to fold under. Then all those ebook prices will just shoot back up...why? No competition for amazon to under cut.
No, that really won't happen. You missed the mark.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:18 PM   #17
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Why doesn't Apple just pull their apps and not worry about it. I'd never buy a Nook or Kindle expecting to read from the iBookstore so why should it be vice versa? Who cares if they loose some customers in the process.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:22 PM   #18
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This was the same judge who predetermined the trial's outcome before a single shred of evidence was presented in court. What a sham.
That's not accurate. There was a bunch of preliminary evidence that the judge had reviewed prior to making that statement.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:23 PM   #19
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Considering Apple has more money in the bank than the US does at certain times, jut buy a state a leave the union.


Seriously though, why is anyone surprised that businesses are suffering under the heal of the government.
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Are you all kidding me? Apple is so wrong on this one. Even the biggest Apple fan boy should be able to see this!
Barnes & Noble agrees completely.

So does Borders Group.
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Why doesn't Apple just pull their apps and not worry about it. I'd never buy a Nook or Kindle expecting to read from the iBookstore so why should it be vice versa? Who cares if they loose some customers in the process.
They wouldn't lose customers. No one buys an iPad or iPhone to read amazon books. What would happen is they would buy iBook books.

Then Amazon would pitch a bitch fit as it did with this case and another stupid suit would ensue.

Apple should just tell them, it's our store. We make the rules. If you want to have an app here, play by them. No one is forcing Amazon to have an app on iOS. Amazon know that they NEED that app or they'll lose to iBooks. Hence this trial and the bought judge.
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I don't exactly know how, but I was listening to Rush Limbaugh and he said Obama hates apple because it represents the Republican Party

So sad to see Obama trying to take down apple, he hates American success
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:32 PM   #23
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obama can't even operate an iphone, some CTO he's got

the best thing apple can do is keep their cash reserve away from the government overseas. when they get tired of his draconian doj, maybe they should move out of the country too. thats where most of their target markets are anyway.

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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:35 PM   #24
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Im so sick of this back and forth! The DOJ should just fine Apple and disallow the MFN clause. This is so sickening!!! Just let Apple run their store their way!!!
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 09:36 PM   #25
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Considering Apple has more money in the bank than the US does at certain times, jut buy a state a leave the union.
The US Govt spends Apples net worth in a month. They could probably buy some dirt poor state in the south though, just about everything else is for sale down there.

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Seriously though, why is anyone surprised that businesses are suffering under the heal of the government.
Yeah, poor businesses, only seeing record profits double and quadruple year after year, it's like someone is strangling them to death and they can't stand their ground, poor souls. If we could only give them billions in tax breaks and write offs so they could get a gasp of air.
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