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Old Sep 21, 2013, 06:32 AM   #1
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Probably best to wait on Skylake for your next iMac

The report from Fudzilla, using unnamed sources, says that Intel's new plan is to release an all-new processor design for the desktop market every two years. In 2014, the report claims that Intel will offer a slightly improved and optimized Haswell CPU for desktop PCs. The next major new design won't come until 2015, when Intel plans to launch Skylake, which like Broadwell will use a 14-nm manufacturing process.

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Although improved wireless, graphics and possible default fusion drive might be part of the next revision of the iMac, you still might want to consider waiting on CPU after Broadwell. With Intel planning to make Broadwell a notebook exclusive and a refresh of Haswell is planned, it probably makes sense to wait it out completely unless whatever you have now is on its last legs.

I planned to purchase an iMac this year, but certain circumstances are interfering with that, so I think I am just going to go with an iPhone and iPad this year. I have a decent desktop PC with Windows 7: Intel Xeon, 160 GB SSD, 20 inch monitor. This can probably carry me into 2015.
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Old Sep 21, 2013, 06:51 AM   #2
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The report from Fudzilla, using unnamed sources, says that Intel's new plan is to release an all-new processor design for the desktop market every two years. In 2014, the report claims that Intel will offer a slightly improved and optimized Haswell CPU for desktop PCs. The next major new design won't come until 2015, when Intel plans to launch Skylake, which like Broadwell will use a 14-nm manufacturing process.

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Although improved wireless, graphics and possible default fusion drive might be part of the next revision of the iMac, you still might want to consider waiting on CPU after Broadwell. With Intel planning to make Broadwell a notebook exclusive and a refresh of Haswell is planned, it probably makes sense to wait it out completely unless whatever you have now is on its last legs.

I planned to purchase an iMac this year, but certain circumstances are interfering with that, so I think I am just going to go with an iPhone and iPad this year. I have a decent desktop PC with Windows 7: Intel Xeon, 160 GB SSD, 20 inch monitor. This can probably carry me into 2015.
Skylake may not be that big an improvement over haswell in terms of speed Intel has shown that they care more about small chips and battery life than raw power.

I wouldn't wait 2 years even if one did upgrade every 24 months simply because the CPU isn't good enough.

Now if it had something big like retina or a touchscreen with rumors pointing to that that might be something to consider .
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Old Sep 21, 2013, 06:52 AM   #3
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802.11ac and PCIe SSD is sufficient for me to replace my 2011 iMac.
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Old Sep 21, 2013, 10:08 AM   #4
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I'd imagine the 802.11ac card can be dropped into any older machine.
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Old Sep 21, 2013, 02:01 PM   #5
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I am waiting until 2032 when the next-next-next (etc) generation CPU/RAM/ microscopy-equivalent ultra super duper retina screen / USB 48.1 is launched. I'm sure it will be worth putting up with my Lisa until that glorious moment.
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Old Sep 21, 2013, 02:21 PM   #6
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These threads are so meaningless. Obviously the longer you wait the better computer you will get. When the new chip comes out without retina, you are going to suggest people to wait for next iMac with retina?
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Old Sep 21, 2013, 04:31 PM   #7
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New iMac displays could make the difference this year - if they match with the new TB displays.
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Old Sep 21, 2013, 11:24 PM   #8
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I dont see apple changing the monitor in the IMAC for MANY years, it is new. I actually expect to see the Apple Monitor released next to be based on the IMAC monitor.

Also - I do not expect to see apple release a new IMAC this year

NEW laptops yes
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NEW IMAC - no

Now there may be a standard Fusion Drive placed in all IMACS. But no other changes atleast until next year, and it could be late next year. The current model is solid and very fast.

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Old Sep 21, 2013, 11:49 PM   #9
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I dont see apple changing the monitor in the IMAC for MANY years, it is new. I actually expect to see the Apple Monitor released next to be based on the IMAC monitor.
The Apple Monitor is already based on the IMAC monitor.
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Old Sep 21, 2013, 11:53 PM   #10
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Yes it is the 2011 model not the 2012 model, I expect to see the new Monitor to come out based on the 2012 iMac

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Old Sep 22, 2013, 12:06 AM   #11
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What you buy starts to become obsolete the moment you get it. If it greatly increases your capacity that makes it worth the upgrade, something faster will always come out next year and doesn't affect the performance of what you already have. Waiting two years for a machine starts to border on the ridiculous IMO.

I bought a new Mini this summer, it's nice and fast and can handle anything I can throw at it. If something new comes out, it'll still be nice and fast.
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Old Sep 22, 2013, 01:44 AM   #12
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Yeah good idea! I needed a new iMac to replace my aging 2009 iMac, but now that this has been revealed, everything's changed. I"ll wait a few more years and get an iMac that's better than one that's not even out, let a lone exists yet.
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Old Sep 22, 2013, 07:20 AM   #13
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802.11ac and PCIe SSD is sufficient for me to replace my 2011 iMac.
I agree...along with better graphics...
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Old Sep 22, 2013, 08:50 AM   #14
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I am waiting until 2032 when the next-next-next (etc) generation CPU/RAM/ microscopy-equivalent ultra super duper retina screen / USB 48.1 is launched. I'm sure it will be worth putting up with my Lisa until that glorious moment.
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Old Sep 22, 2013, 09:15 AM   #15
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I am waiting until 2032 when the next-next-next (etc) generation CPU/RAM/ microscopy-equivalent ultra super duper retina screen / USB 48.1 is launched. I'm sure it will be worth putting up with my Lisa until that glorious moment.
I doubt USB 48.1 will exist in 2032 considering USB 2 was released in 2000 and USB 3 not until 2008. That'd mean USB 6 in 2032 if they follow that pattern.

On top of that, I doubt ultra super duper retina screen would be included either seeing as 4K has not even come to consumer market yet. Not even regular retina is very widely adopted.

It was a nice try to be funny but you should've upped the year if your prediction was supposed to be even remotely realistic.
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Old Sep 22, 2013, 09:23 AM   #16
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2015 is little more than a year away, so its not really a long wait. Then again, we can't bet on Apples release strategy, since it looks like updates to the iMac are a late year thing. So in fact, that Skylake iMac is about 2 years away.

Then again, PC's last so much longer. I was planning to buy an iMac later this year when the Haswell updates become available but I don't know if I am gonna bother since it was more of a 'want' than need case. I decided I would just save the money and buy an iPhone 5S 32 GB and a decent Windows laptop.
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Old Sep 22, 2013, 12:20 PM   #17
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I doubt USB 48.1 will exist in 2032 considering USB 2 was released in 2000 and USB 3 not until 2008. That'd mean USB 6 in 2032 if they follow that pattern.

On top of that, I doubt ultra super duper retina screen would be included either seeing as 4K has not even come to consumer market yet. Not even regular retina is very widely adopted.

It was a nice try to be funny but you should've upped the year if your prediction was supposed to be even remotely realistic.
I found it funny. Maybe take the stick out of your butt?
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Old Sep 22, 2013, 03:40 PM   #18
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I found it funny. Maybe take the stick out of your butt?
It has nothing to do with having a stick in your butt or not. I always see comments like his whenever people like him wants to make a point that you can wait forever if you always wait for something better to be released.

I get his point - and it's a valid point at that - it's just that those kind of comments has been posted to death and are so boring it's not even funny anymore.

If you found it funny, good for you. Perhaps you haven't been here for very long - or perhaps you're just easier to amuse, even with the same kind of joke over and over... and over and over again
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Also - I do not expect to see apple release a new IMAC this year

NEW laptops yes
NEW PRO yes
NEW IMAC - no

Now there may be a standard Fusion Drive placed in all IMACS. But no other changes atleast until next year, and it could be late next year. The current model is solid and very fast.
I do expect a new iMac (and Mac Mini) this year as Apple won't want their mainstream desktop PCs to lack 802.11ac and PCIe SSDs when their laptops all have them.
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Old Sep 22, 2013, 06:45 PM   #20
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Thunderbolt 2

I think part of why Apple is waiting until late October or November 2013 to update the entire Mac lineup, they are simply going to do an across the board.

Meaning, all the desktops including the iMac will include Thunderbolt 2 not a Mac Pro exclusive. I don't think Apple is interested in waiting a year to add TB 2 to the iMac, Mac Mini and MacBook Pro's. Especially if they plan to release a 4k Thunderbolt display, they want all their systems be able to drive that and the 20 GBs per sec TB 2 offers would be perfect for that.

More reason for you not hesitate either, so if you want that 4k TB display and a Mac Mini, you can get it.
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I think part of why Apple is waiting until late October or November 2013 to update the entire Mac lineup, they are simply going to do an across the board.
I daresay it's mostly supply chain/staffing related: they just launched two "new" iPhones.
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Yeah good idea! I needed a new iMac to replace my aging 2009 iMac, but now that this has been revealed, everything's changed. I"ll wait a few more years and get an iMac that's better than one that's not even out, let a lone exists yet.
Then when that one is coming out something better will be coming out after it so might as well wait again.
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Especially if they plan to release a 4k Thunderbolt display, they want all their systems be able to drive that and the 20 GBs per sec TB 2 offers would be perfect for that.

More reason for you not hesitate either, so if you want that 4k TB display and a Mac Mini, you can get it.
The Mavericks wallpaper is 5120  2880. If that's a hint, they may go better than 4K.

This, from May 2012 - http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1694044
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The Mavericks wallpaper is 5120  2880. If that's a hint, they may go better than 4K.
A developer preview of OS X Lion included 3200 x 2000 pixel wallpapers a year before the 2,880 1,800 pixel 15" MacBook Pro retina arrived so anything is possible.

That being said, is anyone working on a 5120  2880 27" LCD panel? The focus right now appears to be on 3840 x 2160 LCD panels for 4K displays. Plus the advantages of Retina are not as noticeable on a 27" display due to the distance one would (should) sit from it.

If anything, I think Apple will add a 4K Thunderbolt Display with a 31.5" 3840 x 2160 panel with TB2 and USB3 for the new Mac Pro to complement the current ATD (which I would expect to take on the iMac form factor and add USB3, but might stay with TB1 unless Apple adds TB2 to the Haswell iMac and MBP Retina refreshes).
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Now there may be a standard Fusion Drive placed in all IMACS. But no other changes atleast until next year, and it could be late next year. The current model is solid and very fast.

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New IMACS came out today with changes. Same Apple Monitor though, so you were sort of right.
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