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Old Oct 2, 2013, 10:49 AM   #1
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[News] PHOTOS: World War II Veterans Force Open WWII Memorial During Shutdown

There's an Honor Flight scheduled from my city today.

This is a great story...

http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...ring-shutdown/

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PHOTOS: World War II Veterans Force Open WWII Memorial During Shutdown
BY HAYES BROWN ON OCTOBER 1, 2013 AT 12:19 PM

The shutdown of the federal government on Tuesday closed down memorials across the country, including many within Washington, DC. All of those on the National Mall were barred from the public when the shutdown became official. That wasn’t about to stop a group of World War II veterans who had traveled from Mississippi to see the memorial erected in their honor. Undaunted by the barriers set up by Park Police, the veterans and those accompanying them stormed the memorial, drawing the attention of journalists and politicians alike.

According to Stars and Stripes reporter Leo Shane, who took many of the pictures at the scene, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) distracted U.S. Park Police while the barriers were being moved to allow the veterans access. Veterans from Iowa soon followed those from Mississippi, with no signs that the Park Police meant to evict any of them anytime soon. While a Parks official told Jacob Fischy of Buzzfeed that the park remains legally closed, they were “unsure if security tapes will be reviewed or anyone will be prosecuted for trespassing.” Meanwhile, despite their members causing the shutdown, the National Republican Congressional Committee is now using the veterans’ reclamation of their memorial to add email addresses to their mailing list.
I guess with the shutdown - there's just no time to do that sort of thing...
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Old Oct 2, 2013, 12:37 PM   #2
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Glad that they got in, but sad that some of the Republican congressmen worked so hard to shut down the government and then broke into the memorial as a publicity stunt to make it look like they were doing something good.
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Old Oct 2, 2013, 03:42 PM   #3
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Funny that it never closes...except for now. Has no gates, walls, etc. Publicity and political stunt for sure.
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Old Oct 2, 2013, 03:48 PM   #4
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There's an Honor Flight scheduled from my city today.

This is a great story...

http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...ring-shutdown/



I guess with the shutdown - there's just no time to do that sort of thing...
Could you imagine the uproar if they decided to prosecute these men and women for trespassing.

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Glad that they got in, but sad that some of the Republican congressmen worked so hard to shut down the government and then broke into the memorial as a publicity stunt to make it look like they were doing something good.
My thoughts exactly

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Funny that it never closes...except for now. Has no gates, walls, etc. Publicity and political stunt for sure.
I know huh...... very very strange.
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Could you imagine the uproar if they decided to prosecute these men and women for trespassing.

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I know huh...... very very strange.
The lawns won't be mowed. Any graffiti won't be washed off..Etc..
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Old Oct 2, 2013, 08:53 PM   #6
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The lawns won't be mowed. Any graffiti won't be washed off..Etc..
I have a mental picture of a volunteer veteran wearing a VFW cap, riding his own mower, keeping up the grounds. And two others with a rented power washer, working in tandem like a firehose team, scrubbing graffiti.

I find this mental picture both honorable and sad.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 01:28 PM   #7
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Glad that they got in, but sad that some of the Republican congressmen worked so hard to shut down the government and then broke into the memorial as a publicity stunt to make it look like they were doing something good.
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Funny that it never closes...except for now. Has no gates, walls, etc. Publicity and political stunt for sure.
Don't worry. Darrell Issa is on job investigating it.

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House Republicans have already started probing the decision by the Obama administration to close off Washington’s World War II monument in an effort to turn the videos of veterans in wheelchairs pushing past barriers to visit the site into a defining image of the government shutdown.

House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa is “in the early stages of examining it,” spokesman Frederick Hill told POLITICO. “I don’t think we’ve sent any letters or requests at this point, but they’re possible.”

Senior House Natural Resources Committee Republicans sent their own letter Wednesday to National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis to ask him to “take steps as necessary to keep and not destroy documents related to the decision this week to restrict public access” to open-air memorials and monuments in the Washington area, including those honoring veterans of multiple wars, Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King.

The committee is “considering an oversight hearing in the near future,” wrote Natural Resources Chairman Doc Hastings and Public Lands and Environmental Regulation Subcommittee Chairman Rob Bishop (R-Utah).

The two lawmakers want to know whether the parks service discussed or considered alternatives, including allowing previously scheduled tours by veterans groups; whether direction came from the Interior Department or White House Office of Management and Budget; and a comparison of the costs associated with transporting, erecting and maintaining barriers versus the costs of patrolling, securing, cleaning and otherwise keeping the sites open during the shutdown.

“It is imperative that the Park Service remove the barriers and allow the American public to resume visiting these open-air memorials, monuments, and parks without further delay,” they wrote.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor led a group of Republicans at an event on the Capitol steps Wednesday afternoon decrying the closings as well.

House Natural Resources ranking member Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) doesn’t think much of the Republican probe.

“Who are they going to file the inquiry with? Because of the irresponsible shutdown they caused no one will be around to investigate,” DeFazio said in a statement to POLITICO.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...758.html?hp=f3

And, Rand Paul weighs in also with his "goons" comment.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...8.html?ml=po_r

On Monday the right wing is saying "Shut it all down!"

On Wednesday, they want to "investigate" the decision to shut it all down.


It would be funny if it weren't so frightening.
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It would be funny if it weren't so frightening.
The thing is, is that there is nothing to shut down at the WWII monument. It is an open area, with no fences, no gates, etc. What is there to shut down with this monument?
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The thing is, is that there is nothing to shut down at the WWII monument. It is an open area, with no fences, no gates, etc. What is there to shut down with this monument?
My guess is they want to prevent vandalism as there is no one to clean it up. I'm pretty sure it would look a lot worse if the monuments got defaced or covered in graffiti while there was nobody employed to maintain them than just closing them off.
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The thing is, is that there is nothing to shut down at the WWII monument. It is an open area, with no fences, no gates, etc. What is there to shut down with this monument?
My guess is that the decision had to do with police responsibilities. The National Park Service polices the monuments, the Capitol Police the other areas. The Capitol Police and the NPS are all Feds, but, the Capitol Police are all considered "essential" and are working (for IOUs), while the NPS is mostly considered non-essential. The "Anti-Deficiency Act" could be amended at any time, but, it is still in effect. The current way of handling it is relatively new, though. Jimmy Carter's Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti is the one who set the precedent for how this is being handled.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/close...down-history-0
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