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Old Oct 3, 2013, 10:26 AM   #1
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Have the Democrats really been willing to negotiate?

I don't know, it looks suspicious

Let's look at the article.



Wait. You're telling me the budget is actually roughly 19 billion dollars more than the spending hawk Paul Ryan?

You're telling me that the Democrats have been negotiating all along?

Weird, that's not what I hear.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 10:40 AM   #2
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I don't know, it looks suspicious

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Wait. You're telling me the budget is actually roughly 19 billion dollars more than the spending hawk Paul Ryan?

You're telling me that the Democrats have been negotiating all along?

Weird, that's not what I hear.
Obama is saying he is unwilling to compromise. And has he not even proposed a budget as he is suppose to? I know if I don't then my days in employment are limited.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 10:43 AM   #3
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Obama is saying he is unwilling to compromise.
He said he isn't willing to pay a ransom by gutting the ACA. Anything else he has shown over and over again that he is willing to negotiate or more often just roll over and give the Republicans 90% of what they ask for. And even with the ACA he has offered that if anyone has ideas for improving it he will work with them, the problem is the Republicans have no ideas for improving it they just want to get rid of it and go back to the old system which is unworkable.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 10:47 AM   #4
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And has he not even proposed a budget as he is suppose to?
huh?
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:05 AM   #5
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He said he isn't willing to pay a ransom by gutting the ACA. Anything else he has shown over and over again that he is willing to negotiate or more often just roll over and give the Republicans 90% of what they ask for. And even with the ACA he has offered that if anyone has ideas for improving it he will work with them, the problem is the Republicans have no ideas for improving it they just want to get rid of it and go back to the old system which is unworkable.
You watch and read very different web sites than I as well as get different things out of his speeches on this then I do.

I guess if you are a Liberal you feel he roles over if he gives anything, and if you are a Conservative you see it as he never meets in the middle on anything.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:07 AM   #6
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Obama is saying he is unwilling to compromise. And has he not even proposed a budget as he is suppose to? I know if I don't then my days in employment are limited.
No, Obama has said he isn't willing to defund ObamaCare. It'd be like if I told you that I'd do my job if you let me punch you in the face. Then when you told me no, I said you weren't compromising. :|

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You watch and read very different web sites than I as well as get different things out of his speeches on this then I do.

I guess if you are a Liberal you feel he roles over if he gives anything, and if you are a Conservative you see it as he never meets in the middle on anything.
Except ... we have proof that he has been compromising 90% of the time as opposed to the conservative talking point that is just plain bullcrap.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:12 AM   #7
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No, Obama has said he isn't willing to defund ObamaCare. It'd be like if I told you that I'd do my job if you let me punch you in the face. Then when you told me no, I said you weren't compromising. :|

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Except ... we have proof that he has been compromising 90% of the time as opposed to the conservative talking point that is just plain bullcrap.
Ok, Then send me a link where Obama and/or congress has given in 90% of the time please. I am not perfect, and if I can be proven wrong here then great, but with a statement such as 90% that is very bold, and have to ask for a link on that one. Thanks
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:18 AM   #8
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... a statement such as 90% that is very bold, and have to ask for a link on that one. Thanks
It's 10% less bold than your statement that Obama "never meets in the middle on anything."

Can you provide a link for that?

Thanks.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:20 AM   #9
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Ok, Then send me a link where Obama and/or congress has given in 90% of the time please. I am not perfect, and if I can be proven wrong here then great, but with a statement such as 90% that is very bold, and have to ask for a link on that one. Thanks
Let's look at the big negotiations.

http://3chicspolitico.com/2013/02/09...hing-i-wanted/
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-6231221.html


But, hey, here's a good link:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...gs/compromise/
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:26 AM   #10
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Are you kidding? The Democrats, well Obama really, has been more than willing to give away the keys to the kingdom except for his signature piece of legislation. When Democrats come to the table with what they are willing to give away, they're obviously willing to negotiate. Republicans on the other hand, come to the table with absolutely nothing then turn around and tell the CONservative media that Democrats aren't giving away enough.
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I do no think it is morally acceptable for Obama to negotiate away a law meant to help poor Americans get health insurance equivalent to that which rich people routinely get for their pets. But that's just me.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:34 AM   #12
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Negotiate on what? This was passed by the house and senate, deemed legal by the Supreme Court, a presidential election based on repealing this where the people chose to keep it... What else is there to negotiate?

The GOP has lost this battle, they've taken the country hostage because they have nothing else left.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:38 AM   #13
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Obama is saying he is unwilling to compromise.
No no no. Not even close. Obama and the democrats have compromised plenty.

The Republicans aren't trying to "compromise". They're straight up trying to extort the President and this country because they didn't get what they wanted through the proper legislative methods. In any other situation, the Republicans would face criminal charges for this extortion. It's just like the mob used to do when they came into your business and forced you to pay them if you wanted to keep your business going.

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I know if I don't then my days in employment are limited.
Shouldn't you be saying this about Speaker Boehner, the Speaker of the House, who is refusing to let the House take a vote on a clean spending bill despite the fact that there are more than enough votes to let it pass and reopen the government?
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 11:43 AM   #14
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No no no. Not even close. Obama and the democrats have compromised plenty.

The Republicans aren't trying to "compromise". They're straight up trying to extort the President and this country because they didn't get what they wanted through the proper legislative methods. In any other situation, the Republicans would face criminal charges for this extortion. It's just like the mob used to do when they came into your business and forced you to pay them if you wanted to keep your business going.
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Wait until the debt ceiling debate in 2 weeks.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 12:23 PM   #16
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Somebody is not telling the truth most of the time….

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

Boy……..didn't see that coming...
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 12:25 PM   #17
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Somebody is not telling the truth most of the time….

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

Boy……..didn't see that coming...
What do random quotes have to do with the FACTS of the numbers?
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ummm….maybe that we can't believe Obama when he speaks, especially with regards to Obama Care.
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Old Oct 3, 2013, 12:28 PM   #19
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ummm….maybe that we can't believe Obama when he speaks, especially with regards to Obama Care.
What does that have to do with the subject of whether or not he has negotiated with the Republicans?
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If he says 'no compromise' how much of that would be true…..

Is he saying no compromise?….
Or something else? I'm just asking?
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If he says 'no compromise' how much of that would be true…..

Is he saying no compromise?….
Or something else? I'm just asking?
Obama care was passed by the house and senate, deemed legal by the Supreme Court, a presidential election based on repealing this where the people chose to keep it..if it passed all these hurdles, why should a small minority shut everything down.

That is not how democracy works.
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Feel free to compare the President to John Boehner. Please check my arithmetic, but, I prefer the President's results compared to Boehner, 28% to 53%, for the sum of "mostly false, false, and pants-on-fire".

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/john-boehner/

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Somebody is not telling the truth most of the time….
You must be talking about Ted Cruz. A whopping 64% in the last three categories:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/

Not only that, but, he can't even figure out the moral of "Green eggs and ham."
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If he says 'no compromise' how much of that would be true…..

Is he saying no compromise?….
Or something else? I'm just asking?
He's saying he isn't going to cut ObamaCare just so that the House of Representatives actually does their job. And that's what this is all about the HoR refusing to do their job. If this was any other field, their bosses would have already told them to hit the bricks.
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Not only that, but, he can't even figure out the moral of "Green eggs and ham."
That's the best part of this whole cluster****.

One of the Dems should go up on stage and read green eggs & ham and then point out how it's about you shouldn't say you don't like something until you at least try it.
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I for one think the Republicans should have let this one go through and watch the wheels fall off. Democrats shift from playing the victim while they are out of the office and like to push away any accountability for things that occur while they are in office.

Id let them own this turd of a bill and let them spend all of their political points trying to polish it.

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That's the best part of this whole cluster****.

One of the Dems should go up on stage and read green eggs & ham and then point out how it's about you shouldn't say you don't like something until you at least try it.
There are many things in life you can say you don't like without trying it. Stabbing yourself is probably one of them.

Handing over the entire US citizen base to private corporations through forced service purchases might be another.
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