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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:16 PM   #1
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Boy suspended after using finger as pretend gun

Kids these days....

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The mother of an 8-year-old Central Florida boy is fighting back after her son was suspended from school for using his finger as a play gun.

Bonnie Bennett said her son, Jordan, was suspended Friday at Harmony Community School in Osceola County after playing cops and robbers with another student.

“There was nothing in his hand. He used his thumb and index finger,” said Bennett. “It was a game. He made no threatening advances or threats to harm anyone. No words were said.”

Bennett said she would have been satisfied with some form of punishment but is worried now that since he's been suspended, her son will be seen as a violent child.

“They took a child that has never been in trouble before and went to the extreme,” said Bennett. “A child that has no history of violence is now classified as a violent offender.”
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:19 PM   #2
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So wait... you USA guys idolize guns but one of your kids plays pretend gun without any props one time and there is hell to pay?

Weak.
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:23 PM   #3
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:23 PM   #4
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So wait... you USA guys idolize guns but one of your kids plays pretend gun without any props one time and there is hell to pay?

Weak.
You have now seen the anti-2A sentiment that is lot more common than you apparently believe.

A few weeks ago, this cloud appeared and absolute mayhem ensued.



All students were suspended for two weeks. More gun control laws were passed to prevent such devious weather formations in the future. A zero-tolerance policy was adopted.
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:31 PM   #5
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Was it a pretend single-action revolver, or a pretend semi-auto holding 15 paper clips magazines.
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:35 PM   #6
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It'd be nice if we required parents to put these things in approved safes.

The finger guns, not the whole kid.
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:39 PM   #7
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Was the first name of the kid Meg?

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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:43 PM   #8
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Should've used a real gun and just invoked stand your ground.
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Should've used a real gun and just invoked stand your ground.
Right on!
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:56 PM   #10
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When I was in elementary school, they gave us Entertech water guns to play with after lunch time and it was part of a donation to our school. How times have changed.

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Old Oct 4, 2013, 02:01 PM   #11
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See here for more examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_tolerance_(schools)

One example is another "finger gun" case from 2010:
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...suspended.html

Also from the wkipedia article:
Research evidence

There is no credible evidence that zero tolerance reduces violence or drug abuse by students (Skiba 2000). Furthermore, school suspension and expulsion result in a number of negative outcomes for both schools and students.[7]

On its face, rigid rules limit the powers of the person doing enforcement and thus should ensure equal treatment for everyone. However, the evidence indicates that minority children are the most likely to suffer the negative consequences of zero tolerance (American Bar Association, 2006).

The American Psychological Association concluded that the available evidence does not support the use of zero tolerance policies as defined and implemented, that there is a clear need to modify such policies, and that the policies create a number of unintended negative consequences,[8][9] including making schools "less safe".[10]

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So wait... you USA guys idolize guns but one of your kids plays pretend gun without any props one time and there is hell to pay?

Weak.
It helps to remember that there is more than one person living in this country, and those multiple people often have different opinions.
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 06:14 PM   #13
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It helps to remember that there is more than one person living in this country, and those multiple people often have different opinions.
...and in the USA, those opinions are positioned at each extreme end
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This reminds me of an incident when I was in elementary school. It was grade 7 and everyone dressed up for halloween. My friend dressed up as a cowboy and brought a capgun which he held onto throughout the day. When we were packing up to go home, he "shot" the capgun at me [there weren't any caps in it].

The teacher immediately took him to the office and he was suspended. The next day his mom was furious and argued with the office and the suspension was lifted.
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It helps to remember that there is more than one person living in this country, and those multiple people often have different opinions.
Shhh don't get in the way of the stereotyping.
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 09:00 PM   #16
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Even a PC-lovin', pacifist-commie-liberal like myself thinks this takes things too far.

We don't need Zero Tolerance, we need Reasonable Tolerance.

That however, is the hardest kind of tolerance to come by these days.
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 10:56 PM   #17
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And another example of the anti-gun sentiment...I guess cops are bad too now. It's for the children!!!! We wouldn't want them to be safe, or anything like that...

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/23...t-school-asked



And is this an isolated event?...hah! I cannot even say how many colleagues of mine have heard similar things. People whom are military and LE...our finest...being told that because their profession deals with firearms that they aren't welcome in today's politically correct world. One of my closest friends was called a, "baby killer" in front of his daughter by a school administrator after the administrator asked him to not wear clothes that established he was US military and he asked her if she had a problem with the Armed Forces...nice lady.
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Suspending someone for play-acting is bizarre.
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A Zero tolerance policy is always a bad idea, every incident should be judged on it's own special circumstances, sadly all to often this is no longer the case.
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This reminds me of an incident when I was in elementary school. It was grade 7 and everyone dressed up for halloween. My friend dressed up as a cowboy and brought a capgun which he held onto throughout the day. When we were packing up to go home, he "shot" the capgun at me [there weren't any caps in it].

The teacher immediately took him to the office and he was suspended. The next day his mom was furious and argued with the office and the suspension was lifted.
Perhaps it was concluded, you were deserving....
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When I was in elementary school, they gave us Entertech water guns to play with after lunch time and it was part of a donation to our school. How times have changed.

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Ha ha, times have changed.

Being a farm boy I was stuck on long school bus rides that would make several stops at other schools before heading out to the sticks. While stopped at an elementary school I watched the kids of all ages milling about switching buses when out of the crowd came "Sara" with a large butcher knife raised at shoulder height. She stabbed another girl in the back at about the scapula. Both girls were in my grade.

"Sara" got a couple days on the beach but was back to school before the end of the week. The victim, who had been swapping notes with "Sara's" boyfriend, would frequently wear the same shirt with the slice still in the back.
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We had bb guns by that time, this kid needs to grow up.
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Even a PC-lovin', pacifist-commie-liberal like myself thinks this takes things too far.

We don't need Zero Tolerance, we need Reasonable Tolerance.

That however, is the hardest kind of tolerance to come by these days.
As a fellow communist-socialist-Mraxist-Leninist-anarchist-left wing-pink diaper baby-gun grabbing nut...I have to go along with you on this.

If the story reflects the total reality of the situation...the reaction was WAY over the top.
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Perhaps the parents and other offended parties should inform the powers that be, where to insert their finger.

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A Zero tolerance policy is always a bad idea, every incident should be judged on it's own special circumstances, sadly all to often this is no longer the case.
It's a sad fact that thinking things through rather than slamming your foot down is seen as a sign of weakness and poor leadership these days.
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