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Old Oct 10, 2013, 05:36 AM   #1
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Police kill man with Down syndrome

Back in January, Robert “Ethan” Saylor, a 26 year old man with Down syndrome was killed by police officers over a movie ticket. Today, he's dead while the officers are still on the job.


Alternet - Killed by Cops Over a Movie Ticket: How Police Hurt the Disabled


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So it's come to this? The police state and the mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" has gotten so bad that those with mental disabilities are killed an nothing is done about it?

I realize this may not be anything new but how can those wearing a badge be trusted to protect the public when their first thought is to "shoot first"?
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 07:41 AM   #2
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That's just a sad story in general
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 08:23 AM   #3
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So it's come to this? The police state and the mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" has gotten so bad that those with mental disabilities are killed an nothing is done about it?

I realize this may not be anything new but how can those wearing a badge be trusted to protect the public when their first thought is to "shoot first"?
Did they shoot the guy?
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 08:53 AM   #4
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Very sad news to read, for all concerned. I think it should be kept in mind that some people with Down's are prone to violent outbursts and are not weak. Still, it would be foolish for police to expect the same level of comprehension and compliance from somebody who has Down's as that from a neurotypical person.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 08:53 AM   #5
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Did they shoot the guy?
Nope, he died of asphyxiation. While this is tragic, they chose to use other than guns in their application of force. Sadly, similar results.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 09:41 AM   #6
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He had in IQ of 40, I have a feeling he just didn't understand rapid fire cop speak.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 09:43 AM   #7
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Saylor, 20, died Jan. 12 after the deputies, moonlighting as Westview Promenade mall security officers, tried to remove him from a Regal Cinemas Westview Stadium 16 auditorium at the management's request....Saylor ended up handcuffed on the floor after he became "verbally and physically resistant" to the deputies.

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...none of the deputies hit or kicked Saylor, or used any force to his neck or head. The only police equipment used was three sets of handcuffs, linked together to accommodate Saylor's girth, Smith said.

He said Saylor was on his stomach for one to two minutes. When he showed signs of medical distress, the deputies immediately removed the handcuffs, called for an ambulance and began cardiopulmonary resuscitation, Smith said.
Which part of this story indicates "shoot first, ask questions later?"
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 09:51 AM   #8
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Just like the article mentioned and also judging from the picture ....... It's impossible not to know this person had down syndrome, and the police not treating the situation as such is just 100% abuse.

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It's possible not to know this person had down syndrome, and the police not treating the situation as such is just 100% abuse.
Maybe it is just early in the morning, but your post makes no sense.
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Maybe it is just early in the morning, but your post makes no sense.
As per the norm.
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Maybe it is just early in the morning, but your post makes no sense.
Correction .. It's NOT possible.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 10:16 AM   #12
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Just like the article mentioned and also judging from the picture ....... It's possible not to know this person had down syndrome, and the police not treating the situation as such is just 100% abuse.
You looked at the guys picture and thought its possible not to know they had down syndrome??

I think it pretty obvious.
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Which part of this story indicates "shoot first, ask questions later?"
Easy this might not play into the loaded thread title, and the shoot first content of the first post.
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You looked at the guys picture and thought its possible not to know they had down syndrome??

I think it pretty obvious.
IT'S A FREAKING TYPO!!!! You couldn't figure that out?
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IT'S A FREAKING TYPO!!!! You couldn't figure that out?
Relax, now we know.
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IT'S A FREAKING TYPO!!!! You couldn't figure that out?
Just checking to make sure what you really meant. No need to get your shorts all up in a bunch.
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Just checking to make sure what you really meant. No need to get your shorts all up in a bunch.
I wasn't replying to you.
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IT'S A FREAKING TYPO!!!! You couldn't figure that out?
Not quite a simply typo. One means one thing the other means something different.
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Not quite a simply typo. One means one thing the other means something different.
So you really thought I stated it's 100% abuse cause it's "possible" not to tell down syndrome? Really?
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Back in January, Robert “Ethan” Saylor, a 26 year old man with Down syndrome was killed by police officers over a movie ticket. Today, he's dead while the officers are still on the job.


Alternet - Killed by Cops Over a Movie Ticket: How Police Hurt the Disabled


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So it's come to this? The police state and the mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" has gotten so bad that those with mental disabilities are killed an nothing is done about it?

I realize this may not be anything new but how can those wearing a badge be trusted to protect the public when their first thought is to "shoot first"?
Didi you even read the actual news about how he died

For anyone that actually read the news, I don't blame the cops since no signs of abuse was done and they tried to help when he was in distress.

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Didi you even read the actual news about how he died

For anyone that actually read the news, I don't blame the cops since no signs of abuse was done and they tried to help when he was in distress.

http://www.alternet.org/killed-cops-...age=1#bookmark

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Saylor, 26, passed away earlier this year after his larynx was crushed during a confrontation that ended with three off-duty sheriff’s officers attempting to subdue the man. Saylor was attending a screening of the film “Zero Dark Thirty” and reportedly refused to leave at the conclusion of the movie. When the deputies attempted to move him, Saylor’s caregiver warned that touching the man would make things worse. But according to witnesses, he was thrown to the ground and struggled under the weight of the three officers before he died.
Sounds like abuse to me. The caregiver even warned the cops. From the pic, he didn't seem like a small person. I can only imagine the amount of force used.
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Sounds like abuse to me. The caregiver even warned the cops. From the pic, he didn't seem like a small person. I can only imagine the amount of force used.
How does taking someone down to the ground sound like abuse? They did not beat him, in fact they used several sets of hand cuffs to ensure he was not in a position that was too constricting and harmful to his upper body.
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Sounds like abuse to me. The caregiver even warned the cops. From the pic, he didn't seem like a small person. I can only imagine the amount of force used.
They had to subdue him and prob performed it by the book/ how they were taught to do so. It's a shame he died, but you can't blame them if they were following taught procedures.
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How does taking someone down to the ground sound like abuse? They did not beat him, in fact they used several sets of hand cuffs to ensure he was not in a position that was too constricting and harmful to his upper body.
Then explain how he died of asphyxiation with damage to his larynx?

I bet one of the cops had his knee or elbow on the guy's neck using way to much force.

Funny how in sitituations where a taser would work best, they don't use it.
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Then explain how he died of asphyxiation with damage to his larynx?

I bet one of the cops had his knee or elbow on the guy's neck using way to much force.

Funny how in sitituations where a taser would work best, they don't use it.

It sure is an interesting juxtaposition to see your attitude in the motorcycle thread compared to it in this thread.
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