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Old Oct 14, 2013, 03:46 AM   #1
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Bootcamp Windows 7 externally using thunderbolt drive?

I've been scouring the internet to find a way to install bootcamp on an external disk. I've come across a couple articles saying this is possible if you use a thunderbolt Buffalo Ministation. The issue I'm seeing is that in order to use Winclone to restore Windows you have to run sysprep prior to cloning windows which strips the thunderbolt drivers you installed when you plugged ministation into windows. Am I missing something? Have any of you been able to get a windows bootcamp running off a thunderbolt external?
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 07:55 AM   #2
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Why do you have to run sysprep?

When I put Win7 on my external thunderbolt drive (Seagate goflex adapter), here's what I did:

1> Installed to internal drive via bootcamp
2> Used winclone to save off a image
3> Removed the bootcamp partition from internal drive (or reformat the partition so it doesn't look like a windows drive anymore)
4> Restored image to thunderbolt drive via Winclone

Step #3 was necessary because otherwise the windows boot loader seemed to get confused by 2 drives with the same ID - maybe thats a problem sysprep solves.

NOTE: The last time I tried this was over a year ago -- since then I remounted the external drive internal to my iMac.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 10:48 AM   #3
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Why do you have to run sysprep?

When I put Win7 on my external thunderbolt drive (Seagate goflex adapter), here's what I did:

1> Installed to internal drive via bootcamp
2> Used winclone to save off a image
3> Removed the bootcamp partition from internal drive (or reformat the partition so it doesn't look like a windows drive anymore)
4> Restored image to thunderbolt drive via Winclone

Step #3 was necessary because otherwise the windows boot loader seemed to get confused by 2 drives with the same ID - maybe thats a problem sysprep solves.

NOTE: The last time I tried this was over a year ago -- since then I remounted the external drive internal to my iMac.
After you install bootcamp and before you make a clone you booted into windows and plugged in thunderbolt external and vetoed drivers were installed and drive is functional correct?
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 12:11 PM   #4
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After you install bootcamp and before you make a clone you booted into windows and plugged in thunderbolt external and vetoed drivers were installed and drive is functional correct?
Hmm - thinking back, I probably did have the enclosure hooked up when I booted into windows. But my enclosure didn't require its own driver disk - any drivers either came from windows or the bootcamp drivers. So if the ministration has separate drivers that could be different enough that my technique wouldn't work.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 08:43 PM   #5
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Hmm - thinking back, I probably did have the enclosure hooked up when I booted into windows. But my enclosure didn't require its own driver disk - any drivers either came from windows or the bootcamp drivers. So if the ministration has separate drivers that could be different enough that my technique wouldn't work.
I will have to try
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Old Oct 18, 2013, 11:18 PM   #6
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Why do you have to run sysprep?

When I put Win7 on my external thunderbolt drive (Seagate goflex adapter), here's what I did:

1> Installed to internal drive via bootcamp
2> Used winclone to save off a image
3> Removed the bootcamp partition from internal drive (or reformat the partition so it doesn't look like a windows drive anymore)
4> Restored image to thunderbolt drive via Winclone

Step #3 was necessary because otherwise the windows boot loader seemed to get confused by 2 drives with the same ID - maybe thats a problem sysprep solves.

NOTE: The last time I tried this was over a year ago -- since then I remounted the external drive internal to my iMac.
BADASS!! Just installed Samsung 830 SSD in Buffalo Ministation thunderbolt and followed your instructions an voila Windows booting off it! Thank you!!
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 12:58 PM   #7
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Just to relay my experience on a late 2012 iMac-I just recently installed Windows 8 to an external Samsung 830 SSD connected via a Seagate TB adapter: Using Bootcamp Assistant to prep the system, set the minimum Bootcamp partition size to 20GB. Rebooted into the Windows install, cleared all partitions from the external SSD drive, then selected it as the install location, performed the full install. Booted into Windows on the external SSD, activated Windows, made sure everything was running fine including Bootcamp drivers, performed all pending Windows updates. Rebooted into OS X and using Disk Utility deleted the 20GB Bootcamp partition on the internal and reallocated the space back to OS X.
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Old Jan 1, 2014, 11:49 PM   #8
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Would appreciate some feedback

I would greatly appreciate some advice and feedback. I just ordered a late 2013 27" iMac with 3.5Ghz i7, gtx 780m, and 3TB Fusion Drive. While I love using Mac OS X for general use, I also use BootCamp for gaming and engineering software. I was just wondering if I will be able to install Windows 7, games, and engineering software onto an external Thunderbolt SSD and if it will operate the same as my MBP (bootcamp on same drive as mac os x). If someone could give me some insight on this, I would be very grateful. Also, suggestions for external thunderbolt ssd solutions would be much appreciated. The two that I have my eye on are a Samsung EVO SSD with an adapter or Lacie Little Big Disk. I would have gone with the pure SSD for my new iMac but I have a feeling that 512 won't be enough for both Mac OS X and Windows and the 1tb is a bit pricey and won't be enough for future documents.

Other thoughts:
What if I bought a Samsung EVO SSD and installed it in my 15" early 2011 MBP as an upgrade with three total partitions (Mac OS X, Bootcamp, and Bootcamp for iMac) and used a thunderbolt cable and target disk mode? I dunno how this would work but it would be so cool since I plan to use my new iMac as a monitor for my MBP on occasion.

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Old Jan 9, 2014, 01:02 PM   #9
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I used the Lacie Rugged Thunderbolt+USB3 hard drive.

It works about the same, but honestly having it cabled like that is a hassle. It make it more difficult to walk around, AND you can't put your computer to sleep because it stops talking to the drive and the computer turns off completely. Also those kind of connectors are really easy to unplug. I have accidentally unplugged mine at least twice, and the whole thing blue-screens requiring shutdown.

But that being said, this is a really nice way to have a 1+ TB Windows computer with minimal space loss on your actual computer.

PS. I used to use mine like that, but I reverted to internal-only just today.

PS. I installed mine a little different than the other guys (i.e. without Winclone), and if you can't use the entire 1TB drive, post on here and I'll explain my way.

Unfortunately doing it my way causes you to loose about 30 GB on your internal hard drive and requires having 2 copies of Windows. But the benefit is you will be able to use both the internal and external windows drives interchangeably.





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I would greatly appreciate some advice and feedback. I just ordered a late 2013 27" iMac with 3.5Ghz i7, gtx 780m, and 3TB Fusion Drive. While I love using Mac OS X for general use, I also use BootCamp for gaming and engineering software. I was just wondering if I will be able to install Windows 7, games, and engineering software onto an external Thunderbolt SSD and if it will operate the same as my MBP (bootcamp on same drive as mac os x). If someone could give me some insight on this, I would be very grateful. Also, suggestions for external thunderbolt ssd solutions would be much appreciated. The two that I have my eye on are a Samsung EVO SSD with an adapter or Lacie Little Big Disk. I would have gone with the pure SSD for my new iMac but I have a feeling that 512 won't be enough for both Mac OS X and Windows and the 1tb is a bit pricey and won't be enough for future documents.

Other thoughts:
What if I bought a Samsung EVO SSD and installed it in my 15" early 2011 MBP as an upgrade with three total partitions (Mac OS X, Bootcamp, and Bootcamp for iMac) and used a thunderbolt cable and target disk mode? I dunno how this would work but it would be so cool since I plan to use my new iMac as a monitor for my MBP on occasion.
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Old Jan 15, 2014, 02:33 PM   #10
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V a d, how did you manage to get the rugged thunderbolt working in win7? I've tried using lacie drivers advised on the support without success. The drive just blink rapidly but doesn't show up in the device manager or anywhere else. But if I connect with USB3 it mounts instantly.

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I used the Lacie Rugged Thunderbolt+USB3 hard drive.

It works about the same, but honestly having it cabled like that is a hassle. It make it more difficult to walk around, AND you can't put your computer to sleep because it stops talking to the drive and the computer turns off completely. Also those kind of connectors are really easy to unplug. I have accidentally unplugged mine at least twice, and the whole thing blue-screens requiring shutdown.

But that being said, this is a really nice way to have a 1+ TB Windows computer with minimal space loss on your actual computer.

PS. I used to use mine like that, but I reverted to internal-only just today.

PS. I installed mine a little different than the other guys (i.e. without Winclone), and if you can't use the entire 1TB drive, post on here and I'll explain my way.

Unfortunately doing it my way causes you to loose about 30 GB on your internal hard drive and requires having 2 copies of Windows. But the benefit is you will be able to use both the internal and external windows drives interchangeably.

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Old Jan 26, 2014, 08:28 AM   #11
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I've tried transferring a Boot Camp installation from my internal SSD to a thunderbolt drive a number of times and haven't been successful with it yet.

I think the problem is that I don't have an empty thunderbolt drive, so I've been transferring the winclone image to a Fat partition on a drive that also has a Mac journaled partition.

Has anyone been able to move Windows to a partition on an already partially used drive and still keep it bootable? Any suggestions?

I am thinking of purchasing a 3rd thunderbolt drive just for windows, but would prefer not to if I don't have to.

Edit:

Well, I did finally get it working. I cleared out the Thunderbolt drive in question (it was already backed up in Time Machine) and formatted it so that it had a Windows FAT partition first (I subsequently added the Mac Journaled Volume).

I also realized that there was a version 4 of WinClone (I had had version 3.something). I got the latest update.

I'm not sure which of the two steps above (sequence of partitions, or updated WinClone software) did the trick, but the good news is my internal SSD is now Windows-free and my Thunderbolt drive is booting into Windows 8.1 nicely, while still leaving room for all my previous Mac-related stuff on a separate partition.

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Old Mar 23, 2014, 10:51 PM   #12
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What if the size of disc is different?

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Why do you have to run sysprep?

When I put Win7 on my external thunderbolt drive (Seagate goflex adapter), here's what I did:

1> Installed to internal drive via bootcamp
2> Used winclone to save off a image
3> Removed the bootcamp partition from internal drive (or reformat the partition so it doesn't look like a windows drive anymore)
4> Restored image to thunderbolt drive via Winclone

Step #3 was necessary because otherwise the windows boot loader seemed to get confused by 2 drives with the same ID - maybe thats a problem sysprep solves.

NOTE: The last time I tried this was over a year ago -- since then I remounted the external drive internal to my iMac.
I have a question regarding to the hdd size.
Let say we create a 40 GB internal bootcamp partition and want to move this to 1 TB external thunderbolt drive. Do I have to make a 40 GB partition within the 1 TB drive before Winclone restore on it?
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I have a question regarding to the hdd size.
Let say we create a 40 GB internal bootcamp partition and want to move this to 1 TB external thunderbolt drive. Do I have to make a 40 GB partition within the 1 TB drive before Winclone restore on it?
No ... WinClone will transfer your Windows image to the larger drive and then expand it so that the environment will make full use of the larger drive size.
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I'm about to put an SSD in my MacBook Pro and need WinClone to copy my Boot Camp partition. As it's migrating to the same computer, just a different storage drive, do I need to run SysPrep beforehand?
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I'm about to put an SSD in my MacBook Pro and need WinClone to copy my Boot Camp partition. As it's migrating to the same computer, just a different storage drive, do I need to run SysPrep beforehand?
I've never run SysPrep as part of a winclone migration. Just did one about a week ago on my iMac. The only time I might had to do anything weird was years ago when I migrated windows from internal drive to external thunderbolt -- at that time, I had to remove the partition off the internal drive before the external windows would boot -- since then I haven't had two drives in the system at the same time with windows partitions, so not sure if it'd still be necesary (was using WinClone 2.x)
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I've never run SysPrep as part of a winclone migration. Just did one about a week ago on my iMac. The only time I might had to do anything weird was years ago when I migrated windows from internal drive to external thunderbolt -- at that time, I had to remove the partition off the internal drive before the external windows would boot -- since then I haven't had two drives in the system at the same time with windows partitions, so not sure if it'd still be necesary (was using WinClone 2.x)
Thanks for that It says you need to in the official instructions/tutorial but only for new system migrations. It basically wipes the drivers so you don't get a conflict on a new machine, which is why it seemed a bit pointless to me on the same machine.

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Old Jul 17, 2014, 06:29 PM   #17
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Question Error?

I followed the posts on this thread and got Windows 8.1 working like a charm.....except:

Occasionally the Windows system will randomly reboot, and when I hit option, the Bootcamp partition keeps disappearing and then re-appearing. The animation is like when you drag something off your dock - the Windows drive disappears in a puff of smoke, returns and then disappears again.

Anyone ever see anything like this? any ideas where to start? I already plugged the drive into a different Thunderbolt port - no Dice. Sometimes it won't happen at all.

Im using new Mac Pro and Kingston 240GB SSDnow Drive attaches to a Seagate Thunderbolt adapter.
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