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Old Oct 29, 2013, 03:39 PM   #1
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The worst new feature of Mavericks is...

... no more spinning Time Machine icon. Yeah, it's a small nit but it makes you wonder what dumb-ass coder brought this up at a team meeting and insisted it needed to be changed.

That's it for me. Carry on folks!
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 04:36 PM   #2
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... no more spinning Time Machine icon. Yeah, it's a small nit but it makes you wonder what dumb-ass coder brought this up at a team meeting and insisted it needed to be changed.

That's it for me. Carry on folks!
I miss the old spinning one as well. It was easy to spot out of the corner of your eye if your currently doing a backup.

I wonder what made them get rid of it.
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 04:38 PM   #3
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Didn't even notice that... Ridiculous.
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 04:40 PM   #4
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I turned off Time Machine before the upgrade and haven't turned it on yet. I'm scared my Time Machine is going to explode....
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 06:07 PM   #5
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I am pretty sure that it is supposed to be spinning and isn't because a of a bug. When Time Machine is active, the icon changes and it looks like the icon is "trying" to spin but is stuck. I know a friend of mine reported it as a bug to Apple, anyways.
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 06:09 PM   #6
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I am pretty sure that it is supposed to be spinning and isn't because a of a bug. When Time Machine is active, the icon changes and it looks like the icon is "trying" to spin but is stuck. I know a friend of mine reported it as a bug to Apple, anyways.
If you look you'll notice there's an extra little arrow now, which shows when it's updating.

As far as I recall it was in the Developer Previews as well, and it certainly was in the GM build.
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 06:13 PM   #7
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If you look you'll notice there's an extra little arrow now, which shows when it's updating.

As far as I recall it was in the Developer Previews as well, and it certainly was in the GM build.
Yes, that's what I was referring to. It always looked so wonky and weird looking to me that I refused to believe it was done on purpose. I guess if it wasn't changed in all of that time it's supposed to be like that then. That's sad IMO. The spinning was a great little touch.
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 06:15 PM   #8
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I suspect that it is a victim of Apple's aggressive energy-saving enhancements. It is pretty hard to let the CPU sleep or consolidate work if you are spending cycles keeping that spinner going around and around.

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Old Oct 29, 2013, 06:24 PM   #9
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My biggest complaint so far is lack of scrolling/page back/page forward options with a mouse.

I turn "natural" scrolling off because I like the old school scroll wheel scrolling on my Magic Mouse.

Problem with this is that I use what Apple would call "natural" scrolling for horizontal swipes and disabling "natural" scrolling makes horizontal scrolling backwards to me.

My fix previously was using a reverse scroll app that I could keep "natural" scrolling activated and it would change my vertical scrolling habit to what I prefer.

Only in Mavericks, this app doesn't work system wide anymore, so my scrolling between apps, back and forth on safari and scrolling vertically in Safari and apps like Calendar are all messed up now with no apparent fix to my liking.
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 07:30 PM   #10
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I wonder what made them get rid of it.
Law suit. It made somebody dizzy and nauseous. They puked, fell out of their chair then had a violent seizure.

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I suspect that it is a victim of Apple's aggressive energy-saving enhancements.
Best reason yet.
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Old Oct 29, 2013, 07:56 PM   #11
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law suit. It made somebody dizzy and nauseous. They puked, fell out of their chair then had a violent seizure.

Best reason yet. :d
LOL!! . literally.
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I heard that it was a mind control hypnosis device. It trains you to use only apple products, and to upgrade often, no matter the cost.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 01:04 AM   #13
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I recommend people read the ArsTechnica review of Mavericks by John Siracusa, the best and most detailed you can find, there is lots to learn.

The Time Machine animation was removed because it causes the cpu to wake up (to draw the animation). Mavericks does everything it can to make the cpu 'sleep' as much as possible, which is why you get the great battery life.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 02:16 AM   #14
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The Time Machine animation was removed because it causes the cpu to wake up (to draw the animation). Mavericks does everything it can to make the cpu 'sleep' as much as possible, which is why you get the great battery life.
That simply sounds like bad programming -- they should be checking the awake status before trying to draw the animation.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 02:24 AM   #15
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I recommend people read the ArsTechnica review of Mavericks by John Siracusa, the best and most detailed you can find, there is lots to learn.

The Time Machine animation was removed because it causes the cpu to wake up (to draw the animation). Mavericks does everything it can to make the cpu 'sleep' as much as possible, which is why you get the great battery life.
Sorry. Can't buy such a childish explanation. EVERY of background tasks prevents CPU from "sleeping". The Time Machine itself requires much more CPU resources than simply icon animation, due of huge amount copy/replace tasks.

Just another bug, which another "independent" reviewer is trying to mask or simply hide.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 04:00 AM   #16
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Sorry. Can't buy such a childish explanation. EVERY of background tasks prevents CPU from "sleeping". The Time Machine itself requires much more CPU resources than simply icon animation, due of huge amount copy/replace tasks.

Just another bug, which another "independent" reviewer is trying to mask or simply hide.
This is not true. The actual backup doesn't need to update the screen. Drawing the animation does.

It's not a bug, it's by design.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 04:10 AM   #17
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There is still an animated spinning circular arrows in Finder windows. I don't see how that uses less resources than if it were on the menu bar...
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 04:24 AM   #18
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I recommend people read the ArsTechnica review of Mavericks by John Siracusa, the best and most detailed you can find, there is lots to learn.

The Time Machine animation was removed because it causes the cpu to wake up (to draw the animation). Mavericks does everything it can to make the cpu 'sleep' as much as possible, which is why you get the great battery life.
It was a good review, missing major parts about OpenGL, OpenCL performance, and features for Professional users.

Also there's more than just MacBooks from Apple, and that little spinning icon is negligible at best for CPU usage, and will not do much to the CPU.

IF, and that's a big if, that it somehow was the cause everyone's battery issues, they can just put code into Mavericks to make it give us full features for desktop users.

App Nap, and Timer Coalescence has caused quite a few problems for Professional Apps. Hell Until you turn off App Nap it'll constantly Kill FCP X's back ground rendering, and cause errors, garbled sound, and video when you're transcoding, rendering, and exporting in FCPX, Screenflow, Premiere and others.

Why? Simply because once you start the process you let the machine get on with it, as doing other things can slow it all down. Mavericks then decides to F' it all up with App Nap, and Timer Coalescence.

At least App Nap can be turned off.

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This is not true. The actual backup doesn't need to update the screen. Drawing the animation does.

It's not a bug, it's by design.
Whether it's on the screen or not, the CPU is still being used...
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There is still an animated spinning circular arrows in Finder windows. I don't see how that uses less resources than if it were on the menu bar...
Good point, didn't know that! So yes it seems like they just wanted to get rid of the animation maybe?
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 11:12 AM   #20
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The Time Machine animation was removed because it causes the cpu to wake up (to draw the animation). Mavericks does everything it can to make the cpu 'sleep' as much as possible, which is why you get the great battery life.
Then they forgot to disable the blinking colon in the time display.

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So yes it seems like they just wanted to get rid of the animation maybe?
And now we’re back to post #1 in this thread.

I'll give Apple the benefit of a doubt on this one. I think the animation code just got disabled inadvertently.
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Then they forgot to disable the blinking colon in the time display.

And now we’re back to post #1 in this thread.

I'll give Apple the benefit of a doubt on this one. I think the animation code just got disabled inadvertently.
The current Time Machine instructions seem to reflect the change though:

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While a backup is in progress, the menu icon includes an additional arrow, or rotates counterclockwise.
So whatever the reason, the change is official, and probably here to stay...
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