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Old Oct 30, 2013, 04:49 AM   #1
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1Gb of RAM is enough, be happy :)

It appears some people are not to pleased with the 1Gb of DDR3 RAM in the iPad Air. Personally I was hoping for 2Gb of RAM, but I have come to realise that 1Gb of RAM is more that suffice.

From a fresh start, iOS 7 eats only 300Mb (slightly more). As the OS "settles in" it eats more and more to increase system performance as well as placing opened applications in inactive ram after use. This can lead to the OS eating up around 600Mb. But what I am trying to say it that an app could eat up as much as 700Mb on iOS 7 before the OS force quits it. That is more than enough RAM for any app.

I think we call all agree that iOS 8 will have more features. And more features would eat more RAM. But what I see also happening in iOS 8 is RAM compression The same type of RAM compression as seen in Mavericks. Mavericks used a lot of techniques from iOS to make it more efficient, but only Mavericks has the RAM compression. So the way I see it, all devices running iOS7 will run iOS 8, just better


Edit: Sorry; iOS 7 nd 64bit processing with 1Gb of RAM is not amazing...

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Old Oct 30, 2013, 07:21 AM   #2
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You seem conflicted man.. Saw you upset with the lack of 2gb and G6630.. You had high hopes and now you're accepting the inevitable, which is you'll end up getting one anyways and find that it's so ridiculously fast you'll never know the difference.. It's 1gb of some of the fastest ram you can find in any tablets. Like others have said, the only issue may be when you want more than 8 tabs opened in Safari.. Everything else will run to perfection since apps are hard-coded to use under 1gb of ram. It's all about the experience and honestly, I don't have more than 5 tabs opened on my desktop PC browser so I know that atleast for me, it's not an issue.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 07:39 AM   #4
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imo apple will not increase the RAM amount in the iPad until they improve the screen.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 08:09 AM   #5
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Well it's sure a good thing we're going 64-bit given there's a whole gig of RAM available!

Apple could go 2 GB, but I'm thinking they would rather give you a reason you will need to upgrade. That's often the bottleneck of i-devices as time goes on.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 08:31 AM   #6
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bleh....still desame 3 apps max then something closes on the background...
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 09:16 AM   #7
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I think we call all agree that iOS 8 will have more features. And more features would eat more RAM. But what I see also happening in iOS 8 is RAM compression The same type of RAM compression as seen in Mavericks. Mavericks used a lot of techniques from iOS to make it more efficient, but only Mavericks has the RAM compression. So the way I see it, all devices running iOS7 will run iOS 8, just better
If you check out the crash logs on iOS 7, it looks like it's already using RAM compression.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 09:58 AM   #8
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Who was the guy that kept on insisting it would be 2GB RAM?
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 10:20 AM   #9
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Who was the guy that kept on insisting it would be 2GB RAM?
looks like his thread disappeared
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 11:21 AM   #10
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imo apple will not increase the RAM amount in the iPad until they improve the screen.

Interesting proposal/theory.

Any ideas on, in what way, the screen could be improved going forward?
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 11:32 AM   #11
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You seem conflicted man.. Saw you upset with the lack of 2gb and G6630.. You had high hopes and now you're accepting the inevitable, which is you'll end up getting one anyways and find that it's so ridiculously fast you'll never know the difference.. It's 1gb of some of the fastest ram you can find in any tablets. Like others have said, the only issue may be when you want more than 8 tabs opened in Safari.. Everything else will run to perfection since apps are hard-coded to use under 1gb of ram. It's all about the experience and honestly, I don't have more than 5 tabs opened on my desktop PC browser so I know that atleast for me, it's not an issue.
I have been thinking about this. 64bit increases an apps RAM footprint by 30%. So the Air really has 30% less ram than before. I found the Air to be a bit of a let down so I have been think of alternatives.

My choice is the following(might not be the most obvious )

A Retina MacBook Pro with 8Gb of RAM, 2.X Ghz i5, 256Gb of SSD storage with Intel Iris graphics.

At 1249, it is a tad more expensive than a 128Fb iPad Air but I feel I will get more out of it. Gaming (GTA San Andreas and Borderlands 2...) plus video editing and web browsing.

If you compair an iPad to a MacBook, an iPad feels weak in comparison.

iPad Air 128Gb : 639
MacBook Air 11" 128Gb :849

So for that extra 110, you get a bigger screen(lower PPI though), an i5processor, proper OS, keyboard (an iPad keyboard is 69 to 99), an amazing touchpad, proper apps,
iLife and iWork is better on Mac...

So I am going for the Retina MacBook Pro with 8Gb of RAM and 256Gb of SSD storage.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 11:44 AM   #12
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I do understand that 1GB of RAM is certainly enough.
We have come to a point whereby most consumers will find 1GB of ram to be adequate. After all, its not like every single app crashes upon opening because of insufficient memory.
But my greatest concern is: Is the iPhone 5S and the iPad Air or any other device with the A7 Chip simply just a test product for 64bit architecture?

I was quite worried when I saw that the iPhone 5S is coming with just 1 GB of ram. But at that time, not so much. Its a phone, and apps certainly will use lesser ram.
But now, we are talking the iPad, with a much larger internals to work about, and don't forgot iPad apps are certainly more RAM demanding than their iPhone counterparts. And Bam, 1GB of ram. Is this a joke?

Apple can't talk 64bit WITHOUT increasing RAM! Yes, 64Bit does bring more advanced processing as it can crunch even more numbers, but what's the point when barely 2 or more heavy apps can be kept in the background without it closing down all the time? Safari on my 5S just keeps reloading my tabs. This is worse than what I have experienced on my 5. At least my 5 keeps all my tabs open even with maybe 5 apps I have launched after it.

I am not asking Apple to increase their RAM until it only gives diminishing returns. (3GB of RAM, note 3 seriously?) Perhaps even an additional 500Mb of RAM is more than enough to avoid all these outrage. But rarely anyone doesn't follow the 'integer' rule beyond 1GB of RAM. Beyond 1GB, its 2GB, rarely would anyone opt for 1.5GB.

So that been said, the A7 chip is powerful yes, but is bottlenecked by the stingy 1GB Ram, not to mention that 64bit optimized apps need more ram. 64bit apps cannot be fully utilized unless Apple decides to do something about the RAM situation.
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 11:46 AM   #13
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why does 64bit use 20-30% more ram?
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 11:58 AM   #14
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I have been thinking about this. 64bit increases an apps RAM footprint by 30%. So the Air really has 30% less ram than before. I found the Air to be a bit of a let down so I have been think of alternatives.

My choice is the following(might not be the most obvious )

A Retina MacBook Pro with 8Gb of RAM, 2.X Ghz i5, 256Gb of SSD storage with Intel Iris graphics.

At 1249, it is a tad more expensive than a 128Fb iPad Air but I feel I will get more out of it. Gaming (GTA San Andreas and Borderlands 2...) plus video editing and web browsing.

If you compair an iPad to a MacBook, an iPad feels weak in comparison.

iPad Air 128Gb : 639
MacBook Air 11" 128Gb :849

So for that extra 110, you get a bigger screen(lower PPI though), an i5processor, proper OS, keyboard (an iPad keyboard is 69 to 99), an amazing touchpad, proper apps,
iLife and iWork is better on Mac...

So I am going for the Retina MacBook Pro with 8Gb of RAM and 256Gb of SSD storage.
Isnt it $210 difference though? Either way, for what you need it sounds like the macbook IS the right choice. Enjoy!
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Old Oct 30, 2013, 12:05 PM   #15
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2GiB is not only common for higher end Android phones now, my $300 Blackberry Z10 also has 2GiB, which is excellent news.

I already bought a skimpy 256MB iPad 1, I'm not doing that again.

The maxipad better have at least 3GiB RAM, like the latest Samsung stuff. And there should be at least a 256GB storage option.
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why does 64bit use 20-30% more ram?
Addresses are twice as large - 8 bytes instead of 4. Every object reference, every method reference in a dispatch vector, every parameter reference in a method call.... it adds up.
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2gb would of been amazing, but going from a5 and 512 mini to a7 and 1gb mini retina is gonna be great
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I am content with 1gb of ram. However, I will gladly acknowledge 2gb.
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Isnt it $210 difference though? Either way, for what you need it sounds like the macbook IS the right choice. Enjoy!
Thanks Could you tell me the GPU perfromance in Gflops of the rMBP 13"?
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2gb would of been amazing, but going from a5 and 512 mini to a7 and 1gb mini retina is gonna be great
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I found the Air to be a bit of a let down so I have been think of alternatives.
I'm curious how you've had access to an iPad Air so you could use it enough to be let down?


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If you compair an iPad to a MacBook, an iPad feels weak in comparison.
Apples and Oranges...

Tablet and laptop are fairly different usage models. Yes they do overlap in many areas, but they're not directly comparable. IMHO you do yourself a disservice focusing on specs and "what you get for your money" instead of looked more to what you need to do with the devices and their actual ability to satisfy those needs.

For example say you could get a transit van for just a little more than a people carrier. Surely you'd just buy the transit van with the larger engine and greater cargo space, right?
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I found the Air to be a bit of a let down so I have been think of alternatives.
Then perhaps now would be a good time to change your thread title.
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Then perhaps now would be a good time to change your thread title.
1Gb RAM is so not enough. I think the original iPhone and iPhone 3G proves it.
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I'm curious how you've had access to an iPad Air so you could use it enough to be let down?




Apples and Oranges...

Tablet and laptop are fairly different usage models. Yes they do overlap in many areas, but they're not directly comparable. IMHO you do yourself a disservice focusing on specs and "what you get for your money" instead of looked more to what you need to do with the devices and their actual ability to satisfy those needs.

For example say you could get a transit van for just a little more than a people carrier. Surely you'd just buy the transit van with the larger engine and greater cargo space, right?
The iPad has less RAM... Kinda a let down as it'll probably only hold 3 web pages at once
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I have been thinking about this. 64bit increases an apps RAM footprint by 30%. So the Air really has 30% less ram than before. I found the Air to be a bit of a let down so I have been think of alternatives.

My choice is the following(might not be the most obvious )

A Retina MacBook Pro with 8Gb of RAM, 2.X Ghz i5, 256Gb of SSD storage with Intel Iris graphics.

At 1249, it is a tad more expensive than a 128Fb iPad Air but I feel I will get more out of it. Gaming (GTA San Andreas and Borderlands 2...) plus video editing and web browsing.

If you compair an iPad to a MacBook, an iPad feels weak in comparison.

iPad Air 128Gb : 639
MacBook Air 11" 128Gb :849

So for that extra 110, you get a bigger screen(lower PPI though), an i5processor, proper OS, keyboard (an iPad keyboard is 69 to 99), an amazing touchpad, proper apps,
iLife and iWork is better on Mac...

So I am going for the Retina MacBook Pro with 8Gb of RAM and 256Gb of SSD storage.
I never thought a full PC would be an alternative to a tablet singular app type device.. Sounds like your priorities are a little skewed but of course, if you have the extra pounds (I didn't know you were English, by the way) then by all means get an Haswell Macbook Air. I have a 13" Haswell Macbook Air and I absolutely love it.. I get about 13 hours battery life - I can only fault the Airs for their low resolution LCD. Next year i'm hoping for Retina IPS panels in the Macbook Air.

Good luck with your choice my friend and greetings from Florida.

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Thanks Could you tell me the GPU perfromance in Gflops of the rMBP 13"?
I woudn't be concerned? The new Haswell powered devices do have the Intel HD 5000, right? I mean it's comparable to something like Nvidia's 640LE.. You can run most games at low to medium settings.. Higher settings aren't recommended unless older games.. You'll just take too much of a perf hit.
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