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Old Oct 30, 2013, 05:56 PM   #1
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Time Machine on network drive?

Is this a bug? I want to create a new time machine backup in my Mac Mini server and the shared drives are not showing anymore in Time machine pref panel?

It must be.. it was working perfect in 10.8.

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Edit 10 minutes later..
OMG!!! I can't believe Apple's ineptitude in this.

So basically I read online just a moment ago that Apple decided to give up on the AFP protocol in Mavericks and use SMB2. So I remembered that back in the day when I tried to use a time machine destination on a WINDOWS shared drive, it wouldn't show up as a valid destination.

So I checked on my server and voila!! I could see that Mavericks was actually sharing my drives over SMB and not AFP (you can see the number of connected clients).

I made an experiment: turn off file sharing, turned it back on, DISABLE SMB and only allow AFP. On my laptop I remounted the shared drive and.. as suspected.. my shared drive now shows up as a valid destination drive.

I repeat: so much for the freaking "it just works".
So Apple decides to scrap AFP and turn SMB on by default but... time machine doesn't work over smb!!!



I'm speechless.
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Old Oct 31, 2013, 05:21 AM   #2
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does nobody use time machine over a network drive?
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Old Oct 31, 2013, 06:10 AM   #3
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does nobody use time machine over a network drive?
Yes I do. Have a MyBook Live NAS and after their latest firmware update my TM backup is working just fine. I did have to delete the previous backup and create a new one.
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Old Oct 31, 2013, 07:49 AM   #4
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I use Timemachine in Mavericks to a network drive on my Mavericks Server 3.0 over AFP. No problem at all.

I've not seen anything saying Apple has abandoned AFP. Do you have a link to this info?
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Old Oct 31, 2013, 08:43 AM   #5
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Have you tried enabling unsupported network volumes? This should allow you to set just about any shared drive as a Time Machine target, which is fine since Time Machine uses a bit of disk image trickery behind the scenes anyway, so it doesn't really matter what protocol you're using.

SMB2 may even be faster than AFP, though I dunno about stability; I'm not clear on why Apple is so restrictive with network volumes and Time Machine.
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Old Oct 31, 2013, 01:55 PM   #6
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Have you tried enabling unsupported network volumes? This should allow you to set just about any shared drive as a Time Machine target, which is fine since Time Machine uses a bit of disk image trickery behind the scenes anyway, so it doesn't really matter what protocol you're using.

SMB2 may even be faster than AFP, though I dunno about stability; I'm not clear on why Apple is so restrictive with network volumes and Time Machine.
but it worked in 10.8 why has it stopped working now?
I know how to enable unsoported network drives, but that's not the point...

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I use Timemachine in Mavericks to a network drive on my Mavericks Server 3.0 over AFP. No problem at all.

I've not seen anything saying Apple has abandoned AFP. Do you have a link to this info?
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/...-109-mavericks

Just try it, go to sharing, enable both AFP and SMB.
now connect from a network computer and find which one OSX is using..

always SMB unless SMB is disabled in which case it uses AFP.
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Old Oct 31, 2013, 04:08 PM   #7
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but it worked in 10.8 why has it stopped working now?
Because Apple's decided that SMB2 is now the default file sharing protocol, which is fair enough I suppose as it's better supported by Windows and Linux.

But for some reason they didn't remove the restriction on which volumes Time Machine can select, so it's still only letting you select AFP shares.


If you enable only AFP sharing, select the drive for Time Machine on your other computer(s), then re-enable SMB, then Time Machine should work just fine, mounting the AFP share as require.

I mean yeah it's a complete hassle, and it really depends what your network's like; if you're using all Macs anyway then you can easily just switch back to AFP again.

Otherwise if you have other OSes then it probably is better to adopt SMB2 as Apple is suggesting, but in that case I think the better solution is to enable unsupported volumes, rather than enabling both AFP and SMB, as that way you've only got one file sharing protocol in use.


As an additional note, if you've got a machine sharing files with both AFP and SMB, then you force the use of AFP by using the connect to server command in the Finder, and entering an address such as afp://Haravikks-iMac.local as this will force OS X to connect via AFP rather than defaulting to SMB.


Ultimately though, Apple really need to allow Time Machine to recognise SMB shares as a supported network volume, but for now enabling unsupported network volumes or forcing the use of AFP on all machines again are the only choices really.
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Old Nov 1, 2013, 07:27 AM   #8
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Let me rephrase, I know WHY Time machine is not working, and I reflect that on the edit on my first comment.

I'm asking a rhetorical question to Apple: so they decided to switch over to SMB2 but "forgot" (???) that Time Machine over SMB2 is not supported?

One step forward and 10 backwards because we've gone back to the very early days of Time Machine.. when we had to tinker with the OS to allow backup to anything that wasn't a local drive.


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Because Apple's decided that SMB2 is now the default file sharing protocol, which is fair enough I suppose as it's better supported by Windows and Linux.

But for some reason they didn't remove the restriction on which volumes Time Machine can select, so it's still only letting you select AFP shares.


If you enable only AFP sharing, select the drive for Time Machine on your other computer(s), then re-enable SMB, then Time Machine should work just fine, mounting the AFP share as require.

I mean yeah it's a complete hassle, and it really depends what your network's like; if you're using all Macs anyway then you can easily just switch back to AFP again.

Otherwise if you have other OSes then it probably is better to adopt SMB2 as Apple is suggesting, but in that case I think the better solution is to enable unsupported volumes, rather than enabling both AFP and SMB, as that way you've only got one file sharing protocol in use.


As an additional note, if you've got a machine sharing files with both AFP and SMB, then you force the use of AFP by using the connect to server command in the Finder, and entering an address such as afp://Haravikks-iMac.local as this will force OS X to connect via AFP rather than defaulting to SMB.


Ultimately though, Apple really need to allow Time Machine to recognise SMB shares as a supported network volume, but for now enabling unsupported network volumes or forcing the use of AFP on all machines again are the only choices really.
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Old Dec 6, 2013, 10:53 PM   #9
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Time Machine on Mavericks Server

Check this URL:

http://krypted.com/mac-os-x/use-time...o-backup-macs/

I have a Mavericks server and another running without the server. The server now has a Time Machine service that let's you create a centralized location (on an external disk) to keep time machine backups of all your Macs. The issue is that Time Machine uses Bonjour, so if I understand the mechanism correctly, the multicast DNS and associated port used to locate the share needs to be available, which is not the case with simply using AFP or SMB. So, using the Server version for $20 or so is well worth it to get Mavericks to use this new feature. Simply create the share, give permissions as needed, and enable and configure the TM service on the server, then go to the other Macs, turn on time machine and you'll see the new share automatically. No sudo commands, no fuss, no nada else.
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Old Dec 8, 2013, 09:45 PM   #10
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Let me rephrase, I know WHY Time machine is not working, and I reflect that on the edit on my first comment.

I'm asking a rhetorical question to Apple: so they decided to switch over to SMB2 but "forgot" (???) that Time Machine over SMB2 is not supported?

One step forward and 10 backwards because we've gone back to the very early days of Time Machine.. when we had to tinker with the OS to allow backup to anything that wasn't a local drive.
I agree fully. I was having trouble with an existing time machine network backup set up pre-Mavericks and removed the network volume as part of troubleshooting. Then I couldn't add it back again! No matter what I did, none of the volumes on the networked computer could be selected for backup. However, I could see them using the "Browse other backups" option. I noticed I was able to still select a network volume of an older Snow Leopard computer I had. I stumbled upon the AFP vs SMB issue when comparing the mounted volumes. By turning SMB sharing off I was able to get the volume to show up again.

The frustrating thing was that none of my internet searches on Time Machine problems mentioned this SMB issue. Apple definitely screwed up on this one.
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 07:02 PM   #11
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A potential fix

So, I ran into this today after removing a network drive from time machine that I had set up prior to installing Mavericks. Lo and behold, when I went to go add it back, I couldn't... leading me here.

Not wanted to spend $20 on OS X Server to do what I could do in 10.8, I think I found a way to get it to work—at least for me.

On the server:
- Make sure "Share files and folders using AFP" is checked
- In my case, I don't have smb enabled, but I don't think it matters

On the Mac you want to back up:
- Don't connect using the Finder's sidebar. Instead, go to Go / Connect to Server
- Specify that you want to connect using afp; e.g.

afp://username@server.local

- You'll then be prompted to pick a drive/share to connect
- That drive/share should now appear in Time Machine; at least, it did for me!

Hope this helps.
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Old Dec 14, 2013, 10:45 AM   #12
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I use NAS shared Folder as Time Machine. NAS model is Synology DS213j with two mirrored 3TB drives.

http://www.synology.com/en-global/support/tutorials/481

BTW, NAS is fantastic.
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Old Dec 14, 2013, 11:20 AM   #13
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What I ground is the older Mac Time Machine blog post called Configuring OS X Mountain Lion Time Machine to Work With CIFS (SMB) Share still works in Mavericks.
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