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Old Nov 8, 2013, 05:15 PM   #1
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But, but, Benghazi

Surprised there hasn't been a thread started yet.

In our last episode, please don't primary me with a Tea Party candidate Senator Lindsey Graham announced his intention to block every Obama administration appointee until survivors of the Benghazi attack testify before Congress.

Graham's latest stunt to show his anti-Obama bona fides came out of a 60 Minutes report on Benghazi.

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CBS correspondent Lara Logan apologized Friday and said the network was "wrong" for a "60 Minutes" report that raised questions about the Obama administration's response to last year's attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya.

The assault left four Americans dead, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

"In this case, we were wrong. We made a mistake," Logan said on "CBS This Morning." "That's disappointing for any journalist. It's very disappointing for me."

A primary source for the "60 Minutes" report on October 27 was a security contractor using the pseudonym "Morgan Jones," later identified as Dylan Davies. Davies told CBS he was able to reach the Benghazi compound on the night of September 11, 2012, scale a wall and even fight off a militant.
Also on Friday, the publisher of a book containing Davies' account said it was suspending the sale and publication of the book. Threshold Editions, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, is recommending that booksellers not sell "The Embassy House" and return the books, spokeswoman Jennifer Robinson told CNN.
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Publisher Withdraws CBS Source's Benghazi Book

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Publication has been halted for a disputed book about the attack last year on a U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya.

Threshold Editions announced Friday that it has withdrawn Dylan Davies' "The Embassy House: The Explosive Eyewitness Account of the Libyan Embassy Siege by the Soldier Who Was There" after serious doubts emerged about whether Davies had witnessed the 2012 raid.

"In light of information that has been brought to our attention since the initial publication of "The Embassy House," we have withdrawn from publication and sale all formats of this book, and are recommending that booksellers do the same," according to a statement from Threshold spokesperson Jennifer Robinson. "We also are notifying accounts that they may return the book to us."
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Old Nov 8, 2013, 07:56 PM   #2
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it must be some kind of conspiracy
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Old Nov 9, 2013, 01:45 AM   #3
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Even if it was an intelligence failure, the republicans oversaw 9/11. I get the feeling that it weighs slightly more in the intelligence failure ranks and there were no repercussions for that.
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I get the idea the the Republican Party in the US are trying to create a cause célèbre with Benghazi, to topple the Obama presidency or damage his successor.

The major problem that they have, is like film makers who try to make a cult film, it’s not the makers who decide if it is a cult film, its the general public. The same logic applies to the news, it only becomes a cause célèbre when the general public takes a great interest.

Manufactured items like this are little more than an internet Meme.
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I get the idea the the Republican Party in the US are trying to create a cause célèbre with Benghazi, to topple the Obama presidency or damage his successor.

The major problem that they have, is like film makers who try to make a cult film, it’s not the makers who decide if it is a cult film, its the general public. The same logic applies to the news, it only becomes a cause célèbre when the general public takes a great interest.

Manufactured items like this are little more than an internet Meme.
which is a shame really because there does appear to have been a breakdown in the system that day and in the time leading up to it. but they've run it so much into the ground that it's very clearly exactly as you described. Does anyone really believe that had it happened under Bush that the GOP would be railing over it like they are now?

or that the democrats would be taking a "get over it" attitude?

This is the huge bummer with our hyper-polarized political climate... i mean, i remember thinking that it probably wasn't appropriate that Obama had a relationship with William Ayers but that bing-bong Sarah Palin made it such an absurdly overblown absurdity that by the 20th time she screamed about it, I just stopped caring.

This characteristic of modern American Politics is undeniable in my opinion and absolutely evident on both sides. Why isn't there more uproar over the NSA stuff? What happened to all the "no blood for oil" anti-war movement?

Why are the GOP only "fiscally conservative" when the other side is in power?
Why do they only care about the rampant violations of our civil liberties now?

totally dispiriting...
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Old Nov 9, 2013, 12:52 PM   #6
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Surprised there hasn't been a thread started yet.
I was waiting for the apologies from Darrell Issa and Lindsey Graham.


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Since the attack on the mission in Libya, Republicans have contended that the administration failed to secure the mission adequately, held back on sending military forces to rescue the Americans there, then tried to cover up how it handled the matter.

The day after the CBS report, several Republican senators held a news conference, demanding that the administration allow congressional investigators to interview survivors of the Benghazi attack. In particular, Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said that he would block all administration nominations until it met the Republicans’ demands.

“We really hope that this will force him to drop his block on the nominations,” a senior administration official said on Friday.

A spokesman for Mr. Graham declined to address the matter on Friday, saying that Mr. Graham would address it on Sunday in an interview with CNN.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/bu...general&src=me
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Old Nov 9, 2013, 01:37 PM   #7
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I guess the truth does hurt.
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I feel this whole thing would blow up if the survivors and military people come forward about the event. The Government (Obama people) put a gag order on all those witnesses.
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I feel this whole thing would blow up if the survivors and military people come forward about the event. The Government (Obama people) put a gag order on all those witnesses.
Source please.

How would the government put a gag order on the surviving family members of those killed?
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I was waiting for the apologies from Darrell Issa and Lindsey Graham.
Was Issa one of the dorks that went all apoplectic over the images they were showing at the congressional briefing because omg, that was classified?
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This is the huge bummer with our hyper-polarized political climate...

totally dispiriting...
Yup, politicians are not incentivized to make government effective, they are incentivized to win. And winning an election is not the same thing as effective governing. We throw person after person at the same system and expect them not to fall into the game. It's the game we need to change.
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Yup, politicians are not incentivized to make government effective, they are incentivized to win. And winning an election is not the same thing as effective governing. We throw person after person at the same system and expect them not to fall into the game. It's the game we need to change.
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Source please.

How would the government put a gag order on the surviving family members of those killed?
Congressman: Benghazi questions need answers, or more steps needed.
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You do realize that your source says nothing about a "gag order" involving anybody—including surviving family members, don't you?

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n. a judge's order prohibiting the attorneys and the parties to a pending lawsuit or criminal prosecution from talking to the media or the public about the case. The supposed intent is to prevent prejudice due to pre-trial publicity which would influence potential jurors.

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The title of this thread really speaks to something other than a consulate attack. I look at satcomer's source and find it a bit questionable in that Devin Nunes looks like a twit to me.

But, that is the underlying problem: we just cannot discuss anything without polarization and hostility. This is the thing we need to address. I mean, in the previous decade, there were numerous attacks on diplomatic compounds, but none of them made the news for more than a day or two, yet somehow this one is different? Why? We cannot get a straight answer as to why we should care more about this one than the others. Only that Obama is teh Muzzie evil and we must end his socialist tyranny – at least, that is what Nunes sounds like, and so the middle and left have a hard time taking him seriously.
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I mean, in the previous decade, there were numerous attacks on diplomatic compounds, but none of them made the news for more than a day or two, yet somehow this one is different? Why?
Seems to me, that the death of a U.S. ambassador in this attack separates this particular attack from the others. Ambassador Stephens was the first U.S. ambassador killed since 1979. I would say that this particular attack deserves more scrutiny than others.

But don't let that stop you from disparaging all those who dare question Obama and his minions.
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But don't let that stop you from disparaging all those who dare question Obama and his minions.
No. No. You go on with another hearing and yet more investigations.

Just let us know when you finally realize that occasionally **** happens in the world and it can't always be prevented or controlled.

We'll be waiting.



Right over here.



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Whenever you're ready.
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But don't let that stop you from disparaging all those who dare question Obama and his minions.
In other words, you would prefer to contribute to the problem
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Seems to me, that the death of a U.S. ambassador in this attack separates this particular attack from the others. Ambassador Stephens was the first U.S. ambassador killed since 1979. I would say that this particular attack deserves more scrutiny than others.

But don't let that stop you from disparaging all those who dare question Obama and his minions.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that your level of outrage with regard to the Benghazi attack is directly proportional to your level of outrage over George W Bush receiving a warning stating "Bin Laden determined to strike US" and simply stating "now you've covered your ass" and going back to one of his many vacations. I mean, you must have been LIVID at him for that, right?
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You do realize that your source says nothing about a "gag order" involving anybody—including surviving family members, don't you?
CBS NEWS REPORTER SAYS WHITE HOUSE, FBI DENIED HER ACCESS TO BENGHAZI DETAILS, PHOTOS: ‘NOT EVEN ONE PAGE’
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When your source shows a picture of Obama looking like a demon mid-article, I'm gonna have to question your credibility and the credibility of your source.
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The Blaze?

Please.

Here's a ~34 minute interview of Sharyl Attkinson on CSPAN focusing on Benghazi (September 23, 2013).

Your specific issue [goalposts shifted very far away from your previous contention] comes in at 6:00 minutes into the video.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Attki

Bon appétit.
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Seems to me, that the death of a U.S. ambassador in this attack separates this particular attack from the others. Ambassador Stephens was the first U.S. ambassador killed since 1979. I would say that this particular attack deserves more scrutiny than others.

But don't let that stop you from disparaging all those who dare question Obama and his minions.

Yes, after 18 congressional hearings, over 100 interviews, and 25,000 administration documents revealed, we must dare to not question why this is still going on.

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The Blaze quoting Twitchy. I haven't laughed so hard in days.
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I get the idea the the Republican Party in the US are trying to create a cause célèbre with Benghazi, to topple the Obama presidency or damage his successor.

The major problem that they have, is like film makers who try to make a cult film, it’s not the makers who decide if it is a cult film, its the general public. The same logic applies to the news, it only becomes a cause célèbre when the general public takes a great interest.

Manufactured items like this are little more than an internet Meme.
First and foremost, this must be viewed as the Conservatives fight for political survival in a country that is turning blue. Besides that, I have to ask myself why do they hate Obama? The word "hate" is not an exaggeration. When I listen to him talk he seems like an intelligent, reasonable person, less liberal than I imagined he would be.

While I would not use the word "hate" to describe the W Administration, instead I'd use "detest", but I have some solid reasons behind those feelings, primarily the orchestration of our war of aggression against a dictator* for dubious reasons, the resulting death, pain and suffering and financial cost which combined with other issues is threatening to bankrupt us with minimal if any gain.

Ok, so what heinous acts has Obama executed? Overseeing federal guidance for a national health plan? In Conservative eyes, any social program is heinous. This gives me a reason to describe Conservatives as heinous.

I wonder what the Tea Party would be doing today if Romney had won?

*Dictator? no problem, we have historically had happy relationships with dictators who play ball.
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I'm not going to go look this one up, for the reason that the last time I looked at something on The Blaze, the accompanying stream of vile racist epithets in Blaze reader comments regarding President Obama was too distracting. I assume that the vast majority of The Blaze readers are blatant racists, because few others could stand to read it on a regular basis. The Blaze isn't a credible source for anything; I wouldn't even trust the weather report.

Back On Topic: Reporters are not automatically entitled to read classified documents or documents that have personal family information in them. That doesn't mean there is a "gag order". The reporter can't be stopped from asking family members of a gruesome tragedy for ugly detailed information of course. The family members are not required to answer. And, in any case, such information contributes nothing to the public's understanding of how difficult or easy it is to protect diplomats.
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