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Old Dec 9, 2013, 06:59 AM   #1
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China Mobile to Begin iPhone Pre-Orders on December 12




China Mobile has stated that it will begin taking preorders for the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c this coming Thursday, December 12 on its website and at some of its locations in Shanghai, reports The Wall Street Journal. The move was revealed through a screenshot of a section on the company's website that invited customers to pre-order the iPhone 5s and other smartphones with a "4G is here" slogan, with the information being followed up by a customer service representative.

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"Customers can begin to preorder for our new 4G services from Dec. 12 through the company's website and some dedicated branches in Shanghai. But we will only start providing commercial 4G services after Dec. 18," the customer services operator said.
Last week, The Wall Street Journal also reported that Apple and China Mobile finally reached a deal that would allow the iPhone to be sold on the world's biggest mobile carrier, with a China Mobile spokesperson later telling Reuters that the two companies were still "negotiating". Apple and China Mobile have been in talks for several years, and CEO Tim Cook traveled to China to meet with China Mobile Chairman Xi Guohua back in July where the two made headway on a potential deal.

News of a finalized deal has been expected since September, as the iPhone 5s and the iPhone 5c were the first iPhones supporting China Mobile's TD-LTE standard. Apple also received the final license it needed to operate on China Mobile's wireless standard back in September following the launch of the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c.

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Old Dec 9, 2013, 07:00 AM   #2
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 07:09 AM   #3
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 07:22 AM   #4
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So the market reacted negatively on Friday when rumors of the deal were that it fell through. Monday we get this add which looks similar to the one that was earlier redacted from a China Mobile affiliate. I sure as hell hope that the stock price shoots up on this news. It seems as if Wall Street has been holding the stock price hostage largely on part of the China deal.
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 07:27 AM   #5
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This makes me happy, now the lines in the US will have less scalpers.
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 07:31 AM   #6
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good news for Apple ... guess the stock will fall now again.
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 07:43 AM   #7
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So the market reacted negatively on Friday when rumors of the deal were that it fell through. Monday we get this add which looks similar to the one that was earlier redacted from a China Mobile affiliate. I sure as hell hope that the stock price shoots up on this news. It seems as if Wall Street has been holding the stock price hostage largely on part of the China deal.
But last week when this first came out Apple stock was only up a couple bucks that day. Even today it's only up $2 pre market. So either Wall Street has already priced this in or they're waiting for an official announcement from Apple.
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 07:49 AM   #8
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But last week when this first came out Apple stock was only up a couple bucks that day. Even today it's only up $2 pre market. So either Wall Street has already priced this in or they're waiting for an official announcement from Apple.
While the deal would likely cause some upward movement it probably won't move too much until some sales figures come in. China is a difficult market and just being in there is not necessarily enough.
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 07:53 AM   #9
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good news for Apple ... guess the stock will fall now again.
That seems to be the trend. :-) This is good news for Apple… it opens up a huge carrier.
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 08:27 AM   #10
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 08:35 AM   #11
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Those tacky-colored phones with tacky-colored icons and screens are PERFECT for the chinese taste. But, they would have to get used to the lack to toxic chemicals and forced labor that went to make them. Except for the 5S, thank you Apple for selling crap back to china. :roll eyes:

Seriously, under a communist regime, I don't know how their people can afford them.
I am sure none of the fine workers Foxed&Conned who make the iPhones are able to afford them.
Do you want to know how many work for the mob, corrupt government officials, slave drivers, or environment poachers? Count the iPhones.

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Old Dec 9, 2013, 08:44 AM   #12
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Is it just me or is the picture of the iPhone now gone from China mobile's site?
The WSJ is also saying the pic is gone which is why I looked.
Look for APPL to see saw some more.
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Old Dec 9, 2013, 08:53 AM   #13
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Those tacky-colored phones with tacky-colored icons and screens are PERFECT for the chinese taste. But, they would have to get used to the lack to toxic chemicals and forced labor that went to make them. Except for the 5S, thank you Apple for selling crap back to china. :roll eyes:

Seriously, under a communist regime, I don't know how their people can afford them.
I am sure none of the fine workers Foxed&Conned who make the iPhones are able to afford them.
Do you want to know how many work for the mob, corrupt government officials, slave drivers, or environment poachers? Count the iPhones.
Jesus man, take a breath. Calm down. It's okay. *pat*
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Seriously, how much does the average chinese worker make?
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Massive sales growth incoming.
Most China Mobile subscribers who want an iPhone already have one. Unlike the US, the Chinese by their phones outright with no contract.
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Seriously, how much does the average chinese worker make?
My friend, you have been duped into believing that everyone in China lives a miserable life and that the majority of the people live under awful conditions. You probably also believe the same thing about Africa, with added words like "starving" and "disease".

The truth is, there are people thriving everywhere across the world and there are people who are not thriving everywhere across the world. China is not as under-developed and poor and rural and miserable as the media would perhaps like you to believe.
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Seriously, under a communist regime, I don't know how their people can afford them.
I am sure none of the fine workers Foxed&Conned who make the iPhones are able to afford them.
Do you want to know how many work for the mob, corrupt government officials, slave drivers, or environment poachers? Count the iPhones.
China is no longer a communist regime. They used to be a totalitarian communist regime. Now they are just a totalitarian regime. Capitalism without democracy is running wild in China today.
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Oh yeah more **** from chia. Woohoo.. You know we should start sending them videos of real sex cuz that's how we woud take there CASH. Or we could just sell broken phones to them..
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I wonder.....

how a huge demand in the Grand China region can constraint or make pressure in global availability of the new iPhones............


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Old Dec 9, 2013, 01:36 PM   #21
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Ha ha, that headline on the Chinese ad -- the one that starts in black type and then goes red -- is a common polite expression which means "Sorry, I made you wait a long time."

Re China Mobile subscribers already having iPhones it's true. In China, and Asia in general, the cell phone system is totally different. Generally you buy an unlocked phone and then get a SIM card from your carrier. So tens of millions have bought iPhones and then got a China Mobile SIM for it -- the only difference with China Unicom being that you could buy an iPhone in an actual China Unicom store.

However, there's a key difference in the service. The iPhone worked on China Unicom's "fast" network (fast by Chinese standards -- 3G I believe) but on China Mobile you were stuck on 2G (China Mobile's fast network was incompatible with the iPhone). A huge difference in speed. I mean: the difference between a usable smart phone and sitting there 3 minutes waiting to download one email. With the official rollout on China Mobile, I'm assuming the iPhone will now work on the faster China Mobile network.

You may wonder why people who wanted a fast-network iPhone didn't switch to China Unicom. The reason is that China does not have phone number portability. So to switch to Unicom you would have to get a new phone number. Since the cell phone is a key expression and embodiment of individuality in China (for instance, for young people, for whom it is still common to live with parents until marriage, your cell phone is often your own true "personal space"), changing a phone number is considered a much more troublesome task than it is here in the US.

So, although it's true there are millions with iPhones already on China Mobile, this should indeed generate a lot of business in China from:

-- People who just want the latest thing (that's a lot of folks in China!)
-- People already on China Mobile who have been putting off buying an iPhone until they could get on the fast network (probably not that many)
-- People already on China Mobile with an iPhone who now want to upgrade to use the faster network (many millions, surely). Some overlap in this category with the first category of course. There are definitely millions already on China Mobile with an iPhone 4 who have been putting off buying an iPhone 5 because they have heard talk about an official release for a long time (years, in fact).

So it's rather complicated to explain, but the bottom line is: very very good for Apple, but not as big as you might think without knowing the details.

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Seriously, how much does the average chinese worker make?
Who cares about the average? Apple doesn't. There are 1.1 million millionaires in China. I wonder how many make $50k or more? Hell, even poor people in the states buy expensive phones. So to supplement your question, there's a lot of Chinese making more money than you.

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Those tacky-colored phones with tacky-colored icons and screens are PERFECT for the chinese taste. But, they would have to get used to the lack to toxic chemicals and forced labor that went to make them. Except for the 5S, thank you Apple for selling crap back to china. :roll eyes:

Seriously, under a communist regime, I don'
t know how their people can afford them.
I am sure none of the fine workers Foxed&Conned who make the iPhones are able to afford them.
Do you want to know how many work for the mob, corrupt government officials, slave drivers, or environment poachers? Count the iPhones.
Actually asians prefer gold, silver, and red. You seem like you don't possess knowledge of ther culture and are coming off a little rascist. Everyone is used to the forced labor already, if you own anything from China, Vietnam, and a ton of other countries not exclusive to Asia. There's even forced labor in the US.

The iPhones aren't made for the workers. That's like saying the Porshe cars are made for the dealership receptionist. The world is unfair. Live with it or don't.

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Most China Mobile subscribers who want an iPhone already have one. Unlike the US, the Chinese by their phones outright with no contract.
TMobiles sales went up when they got the official iPhone. The US is different than the other countries in the world yes, but that is because we let the big 4 carriers create oligopolies.
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Ha ha, that headline on the Chinese ad -- the one that starts in black type and then goes red -- is a common polite expression which means "Sorry, I made you wait a long time."

Re China Mobile subscribers already having iPhones it's true. In China, and Asia in general, the cell phone system is totally different. Generally you buy an unlocked phone and then get a SIM card from your carrier. So tens of millions have bought iPhones and then got a China Mobile SIM for it -- the only difference with China Unicom being that you could buy an iPhone in an actual China Unicom store.

However, there's a key difference in the service. The iPhone worked on China Unicom's "fast" network (fast by Chinese standards -- 3G I believe) but on China Mobile you were stuck on 2G (China Mobile's fast network was incompatible with the iPhone). A huge difference in speed. I mean: the difference between a usable smart phone and sitting there 3 minutes waiting to download one email. With the official rollout on China Mobile, I'm assuming the iPhone will now work on the faster China Mobile network.

You may wonder why people who wanted a fast-network iPhone didn't switch to China Unicom. The reason is that China does not have phone number portability. So to switch to Unicom you would have to get a new phone number. Since the cell phone is a key expression and embodiment of individuality in China (for instance, for young people, for whom it is still common to live with parents until marriage, your cell phone is often your own true "personal space"), changing a phone number is considered a much more troublesome task than it is here in the US.

So, although it's true there millions with iPhones already on China Mobile, this should indeed generate a lot of business in China from:

-- People who just want the latest thing (that's a lot of folks in China!)
-- People already on China Mobile who have been putting off buying an iPhone until they could get on the fast network (probably not that many)
-- People already on China Mobile with an iPhone who now want to upgrade to use the faster network (many millions, surely). Some overlap in this category with the first category of course. There are definitely millions already on China Mobile with an iPhone 4 who have been putting off buying an iPhone 5 because they have heard talk about an official release for a long time (years, in fact).

So it's rather complicated to explain, but the bottom line is: very very good for Apple, but not as big as you might think without knowing the details.
this might be the most helpful and informed post in macrumors recent history. its funny how some choose to post speculation based on political agendas and others are willing to explain things with a rational, fact based demeanor. i like how perfectly this post puts to shame the bitterness of some of the others in this thread.
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This pretty much confirms the iPhone 5c and 5s are compatible with China Mobile's TD-SCDMA 3G network and TD-LTE 4G network "out of the box," though Apple has not revealed its compatibility until now.
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This pretty much confirms the iPhone 5c and 5s are compatible with China Mobile's TD-SCDMA 3G network and TD-LTE 4G network "out of the box," though Apple has not revealed its compatibility until now.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/

This Apple page has mentioned that iPhone 5S model A1530 and 5C model A1529 have TD-LTE frequency bands 38, 39, and 40 support ever since they went on sale back in September. In other words, Apple has made the compatibility known for three months already. The TD-LTE is currently mentioned in the spec pages, as well.

As for TD-SCDMA, it's not mentioned in the specs, so unless Apple creates a unique model targeting China Mobile, it's probably not supported. I don't think it'll really matter because the ad is pushing 4G (TD-LTE in this case).
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