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Bashar Assad, President of Syria 0 0%
Jeff Bezos, Amazon Founder 2 2.86%
Ted Cruz, Texas Senator 1 1.43%
Miley Cyrus, Singer 3 4.29%
Pope Francis, Leader of the Catholic Church 22 31.43%
Barack Obama, President of the United States 1 1.43%
Hassan Rouhani, President of Iran 0 0%
Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of HHHS 0 0%
Edward Snowden, N.S.A. Leaker 36 51.43%
Edith Windsor, Gay rights activist 2 2.86%
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 11:23 AM   #1
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Time Magazine's Person of the Year

Time picked Pope Francis.

While I understand the choice, I think Edward Snowden would have been a better one.

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Old Dec 11, 2013, 11:39 AM   #2
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Time picked Pope Francis.

While I understand the choice, I think Edward Snowden would have been a better one.

http://poy.time.com
Snowden is a lot more controversial.
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 11:40 AM   #3
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I vote for the Pope. He's steering the Church back on the straight and narrow. He's leading by example. No expensive clothes (no Prada shoes, bro), no fancy cars (he drives around in a Ford Focus), or no extravagances. He's a leader his followers can look up to without having to bow and scrape.
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 11:44 AM   #4
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I voted for Francis as well.

Servant leadership is always the best way to go, especially when done right, with the right principles; a lot of which the others haven't shown in recent times.


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Old Dec 11, 2013, 12:27 PM   #5
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If I ran Time Magazine, the person of this year wouldn't even be a person. I would simply put "Social Media" as persob of the year. It was involved in everything this year, including revolutions.
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 12:38 PM   #6
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It's amazing how Snowden isn't the overwhelming choice here. Government spies on it's own people, unjustly of course, and the people are okay with it. To release that information and give up any hope of a normal life afterward is the ultimate sacrifice, at least in today's world.

While Mr. Francis might be the best pope to come along in a while, don't forget he sits atop the Vatican Bank, the wealthiest Bank rivaled only by the Queen of England. And yes, millions of kids and families are starving in Africa while Mr. Francis sits on his gold throne. What was that thing that Jesus taught... something about giving up all your possessions.... doesn't seem like the head of the Catholic Church got the message. Best pope in a while yes - leading by example? Hardly.
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 01:30 PM   #7
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Snowden. He exposed the largest violation of civil liberties the USA has seen since Jim Crow, and made privacy an issue the entire world is now debating.

He also proved George Orwell was exactly right when he said 1984 was about us, and not the Soviets.
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 01:52 PM   #8
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Time picked Pope Francis.

While I understand the choice, I think Edward Snowden would have been a better one.

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Why would the Times pick a criminal to be person of the year?
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 01:59 PM   #9
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Why would the Times pick a criminal to be person of the year?
Because you don't understand what Time's person of the year is. Or even that we're not talking about the Times.
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 02:01 PM   #10
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It's amazing how Snowden isn't the overwhelming choice here. Government spies on it's own people, unjustly of course, and the people are okay with it. To release that information and give up any hope of a normal life afterward is the ultimate sacrifice, at least in today's world.
The government has been spying on people for eons. Nothing new here. It is just in the last decade they have better tool to do it more efficiently. It does not matter how we feel about it or how unjust it is. No matter how big the uproar they will continue doing it. I'm sure whatever snowden has given up and what he still has is just the tip of the iceberg in the vast web of government snooping and spying. Unless you want to live in the mountains somewhere off then land use no banks, cell phone, utilities, hospitals, internet and so on your info is sitting somewhere in a government cave on a hard drive.
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 02:02 PM   #11
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Why would the Times pick a criminal to be person of the year?
They've featured Hitler before. Your point is?

Maybe you've never heard of the Times.
Here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(magazine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 03:24 PM   #12
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It's amazing how Snowden isn't the overwhelming choice here. Government spies on it's own people, unjustly of course, and the people are okay with it. To release that information and give up any hope of a normal life afterward is the ultimate sacrifice, at least in today's world.

While Mr. Francis might be the best pope to come along in a while, don't forget he sits atop the Vatican Bank, the wealthiest Bank rivaled only by the Queen of England. And yes, millions of kids and families are starving in Africa while Mr. Francis sits on his gold throne. What was that thing that Jesus taught... something about giving up all your possessions.... doesn't seem like the head of the Catholic Church got the message. Best pope in a while yes - leading by example? Hardly.
http://thinkprogress.org/home/2013/12/11/3050681/pope-francis-think-2013/

It's not like the pope owns the bank's assets the way you own yours...
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If I ran Time Magazine, the person of this year wouldn't even be a person. I would simply put "Social Media" as persob of the year. It was involved in everything this year, including revolutions.
They pulled that stunt in 2006 "You" and 2011 "The Protestor."

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Snowden. He exposed the largest violation of civil liberties the USA has seen since Jim Crow, and made privacy an issue the entire world is now debating.

He also proved George Orwell was exactly right when he said 1984 was about us, and not the Soviets.
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Why would the Times pick a criminal to be person of the year?
*Time* magazine has picked some interesting characters since the creation of POY in 1927. And, the selection is for the person who has "for better or for worse, ...done the most to influence the events of the year."

I'd argue that Snowden is far more important in this regard because his apparent criminality has reverberated throughout the world.

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The government has been spying on people for eons. Nothing new here. It is just in the last decade they have better tool to do it more efficiently.
And, there have been 265 popes, what makes Pope Francis so interesting.

Also, I would argue that 1) The NSA's "grab everything" methods doesn't mean it's actually efficient and 2) The extensiveness of the spying and the utter lack of oversight means the Constitution's balance of power may be in jeopardy. 3) The spying methods of 1800 and today are fundamentally different. Then you could assume that your average letter went through the nascent Post Office unread. You can't maintain that fiction today.

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...It does not matter how we feel about it or how unjust it is. No matter how big the uproar they will continue doing it. I'm sure whatever snowden has given up and what he still has is just the tip of the iceberg in the vast web of government snooping and spying. Unless you want to live in the mountains somewhere off then land use no banks, cell phone, utilities, hospitals, internet and so on your info is sitting somewhere in a government cave on a hard drive.
The NSA could be disbanded by Congress along with DIA and CIA. These agencies aren't some alien entity, they're part and parcel of the US government.
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They've featured Hitler before. Your point is?
That was BEFORE he became a mad man who's armies swept across Europe. What he did was nothing short of miraculous, reviving a near dead economy into a model of efficiency that fielded a war machine that took the combined might of the free world to stop.

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While Mr. Francis might be the best pope to come along in a while, don't forget he sits atop the Vatican Bank, the wealthiest Bank rivaled only by the Queen of England. And yes, millions of kids and families are starving in Africa while Mr. Francis sits on his gold throne.
What does starving kids in Africa have to do with the Church's wealth? Jesus never taught communism. Besides, every organization need resources to forward their agenda.

Golden throne? That was his previous Pope.





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What was that thing that Jesus taught... something about giving up all your possessions.... doesn't seem like the head of the Catholic Church got the message. Best pope in a while yes - leading by example? Hardly.
Yeah, he doesn't OWN any of the money that belongs to the Church. Try again.
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And, there have been 265 popes, what makes Pope Francis so interesting.
I think he appears interesting to some people because he's trying to fix the image of the church in public. Technically I believe that they don't have any other choice in these days. It seems like more and more people are questioning the church in first place so really he doesn't have any other option than try to modernize here and there to make the church look appealing at least to someone. It all comes down to just another pope trying to secure the income of the church.

I voted for Snowden, for obvious reasons (and yes, some might say "we knew it all along", but to me the whole difference is that there now is actual evidence and concrete documentation of cases).
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What does starving kids in Africa have to do with the Church's wealth? Jesus never taught communism.
I've had a Spanish teacher named Jesus. But if you're talking about the Christian Jesus, the guy they talk about in the bible - if he wasn't communist, he was the next thing to it. Give all you can, the camel-needle-rich man-heaven quote, free universal healthcare...

Plus - mother Russia vs father God? Requiring loyalty, seeing everything etc? Huh? Yeah, exactly
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They pulled that stunt in 2006 "You" and 2011 "The Protestor."
Didn't know that. Going to look it up. "You" sounds stupid though. LOL
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That was BEFORE he became a mad man who's armies swept across Europe. What he did was nothing short of miraculous, reviving a near dead economy into a model of efficiency that fielded a war machine that took the combined might of the free world to stop. ...
Let's not give people the impression that Time named Hitler man of the year because they were impressed by what the SOB had done for Germany's economy.

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From: Adolf Hilter: 1938 - Person of the Year: A Photo History - TIME
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Snowden gets my vote because he proved what very many people suspected. The cat is now out of the bag, and there is no going back.

The new pope only really is any interest in catholic countries, and then nothing like pope John Paul II.
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Snowden without a doubt.
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I'd have to go with Snowden. His actions had far more effect on people than a few meaningless words from the Pope.
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I think he appears interesting to some people because he's trying to fix the image of the church in public. Technically I believe that they don't have any other choice in these days. It seems like more and more people are questioning the church in first place so really he doesn't have any other option than try to modernize here and there to make the church look appealing at least to someone. It all comes down to just another pope trying to secure the income of the church.
A few PR measures by a recent Pope to just doesn't seem enough to make him Time's Person of the Year. Now, if he had issued some dramatic decree on homosexuality, birth control, or abortion, I would change my opinion. But, right now it's window dressing and personal style.
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I've had a Spanish teacher named Jesus. But if you're talking about the Christian Jesus, the guy they talk about in the bible - if he wasn't communist, he was the next thing to it.
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What does starving kids in Africa have to do with the Church's wealth? Jesus never taught communism. Besides, every organization need resources to forward their agenda.

On the contrary…. Matthew 19:21 states:

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Shouldn't the Catholic Church do what Hey-Zeus says in Matthew 19:21 and lead by example? You know, do away with all their wealth and do the work of Hey-Zeus the way Hey-Zeus did it in his day with absolutely nothing but himself, a reformed prostitute, and 12 other guys?

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