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Old Dec 19, 2013, 12:32 AM   #1
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Duck Dynasty (Phil) Rantings ..... Ignorance, hate, or both?

Phil Robertson from Duck Dynasty rants ..........

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“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus," said Roberston. "That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical."

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men," Robertson said before paraphrasing a Bible verse. "Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

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"All you have to do is look at any society where there is no Jesus. I’ll give you four: Nazis, no Jesus. Look at their record. Uh, Shintos? They started this thing in Pearl Harbor. Any Jesus among them? None. Communists? None. Islamists? Zero," Robertson explained. "That’s eighty years of ideologies that have popped up where no Jesus was allowed among those four groups. Just look at the records as far as murder goes among those four groups.”
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“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

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“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job," Robertson said. "We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?"

A part of me feels like ....... come on now, you can't be that ignorant, but just maybe he is.

Another part of me feels like ..... Just another old hick who has racist, homophobic, an BS religious fundamental views.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 12:39 AM   #2
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While (in a small way) I am contributing to the attention this guy is getting, I have to ask why I should give a damn about his opinion on anything. He is in a popular tv show, but that in itself should carry several indictments.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 01:40 AM   #3
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Phil Robertson from Duck Dynasty rants
You missed a poll option: "Never heard of him until now." I am actually surprised that, even with 999 channels, there is an audience for, apparently, a reality TV show about a duck-call fabrication business. Andy Warhol was right.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 01:48 AM   #4
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I am going to abstain from voting.

I know of the show and have even tried watching it, however after about 5 minutes of watching I just don't "get it" and move on to another channel. I have probably watched about 5 episodes but no more then about 6 minutes of each.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:25 AM   #5
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A&E suspended him from his show over the comments. As if they didn't know what they were getting when they hired him.

Twitter exploded with this last night. Got a lot of laughs from all the righties claiming his 1st amendment rights are being violated. You know, the same crew that called for Alex Baldwin and Martin Bashir to resign over their words.

Hopefully, this trend of reality shows with rednecks and hillbillies is almost over.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 07:37 AM   #6
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well, can't really say he's a hater when he says something like this:

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“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job," Robertson said. "We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?"
anyway, that's how he thinks. so what? i thought people were entitled to think whatever they want about anything they want. you could argue he is wrong, but still - it's his right. and in any case - A&E kinda knew what they were getting into and i seriously doubt they'd hire him if it weren't for his non-mainstream "thoughts" that he was ready to share with everyone. so A&E are the real douchbags here.

so no, he is not a hater. is he ignorant? could be (it's possible that he didn't see black people protest for their rights and it's possible that he had no way to obtain that info - no TV, on radio probably listened to religious programs etc.). so it's neither of the options (and why "neither" is missing?).

on a side note, the bible does forbid homosexuality, but i don't know how the new testament treats it - so from a religious point of view he is right, and it is a sin, though it shouldn't matter to gay people in the first place.
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It's his opinion and he's entitled to it. That's one of the great things about living in the US.

He's an older generation from the South and like it or not, that's how a lot of people think. My dad says racist remarks here and there. I hear a lot of it from other people where I live as there's a lot of self described rednecks that have confederate flags all over their trucks. There's also a lot of people that feel the same way about gay people around here. I'm not going to yell at them until I'm blue in the face to try and change their opinion when I know it almost never will.
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... Hopefully, this trend of reality shows with rednecks and hillbillies is almost over.
We can certainly hope. But then again, I wouldn't discount the possibility of a brand new Redneck/Hillbilly Network being created to further expand the genre.

Here in Appalachia, politicians and industrialists have found it advantageous to keep the populace as ignorant and poor as possible, for 150+ years. Finding corporate sponsors for a new Redneck/Hillbilly Network would probably be easy.
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You also missed the option of free speech. Not that I agree with his opinion but free speech is still there.

I was more amazed that after the BS with Paula Dean that he would be stupid enough to even answer the question publicly. So I guess it just falls into he is ignorant.
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You also missed the option of free speech. Not that I agree with his opinion but free speech is still there.

I was more amazed that after the BS with Paula Dean that he would be stupid enough to even answer the question publicly. So I guess it just falls into he is ignorant.
No, free speech is not there. The government cannot restrict his right to freedom of speech. A&E is a private company, he has no free speech with them. The only way for his freedom of speech to be violated is if he's arrested for these comments.
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Old Dec 19, 2013, 09:12 AM   #11
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I don't really get the outrage people have over what he said. He was talking about issues in terms of what is and isn't sin as prescribed by the Bible. We can argue all day long about belief in God, Jesus and the teachings in the Bible. And if that isn't your cup of tea, then more power to you. But I think that we can all agree that homosexuality and all of the other stuff he went into when he started paraphrasing Corinthians is, from a Biblical standpoint, sin. And, on that, he is correct.

Now, on the topic of him being homophobic....I have no idea. Nothing in what he said really leads me down the road to believe he has hate for people based on how they live their life, but I could be wrong on that. We live in a world that is super politically correct and anytime someone says a word that can be even loosely construed as being "anti-gay" we have this massive reaction (sometimes justified, sometimes not) where the "offender" gets raked over the coals and forever labeled a bigot. That's unfortunate. We've got to be able to get to a point in this world where someone can say something we disagree with and he/she is not shouted down and labeled negatively from that point on. If not, then what's the point of talking at all? Treating intolerance (perceived or otherwise) with love towards the person we feel is being intolerant would make this world a much better place, in my little opinion.

Oh....and where in any of that someone can then make the leap that he is now a racist too I have no idea.
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Sounds like he is following the bible pretty well, the only people who should be outraged are non-christians.
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Sounds like he is following the bible pretty well, the only people who should be outraged are non-christians.
I dunno…the jacket he's wearing in his publicity photos looks to be a cotton/poly blend. I'm sure the Real Christians will be pointing that out soon.

Real Christians should also hope his boots aren't made of pigskin leather...
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Sounds like he is following the bible pretty well, the only people who should be outraged are non-christians.
Yep. The only peole outraged would be non-Christians and other reasonably-minded people, and of course the mainline Christians who practice liberal_Christianity.
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No, free speech is not there. The government cannot restrict his right to freedom of speech. A&E is a private company, he has no free speech with them. The only way for his freedom of speech to be violated is if he's arrested for these comments.
I didn't say A&E violated his free speech.
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Guy's a complete ****wit, I really wonder how much longer networks will find every kind of blue collar slob/redneck/hillbilly/trailer trash they can and give them a TV show.

Our country is less intelligent for having tuned in to just utter reality trash like this on TV, all day, every day.

I take issue with the Shinto comments seeing as:

1) It's probably the most peaceful religion there is
2) It's been around somewhere north of 5,000 years, not 80
3) The murder rate - as he likes to call it - is nearly 0 in Japan, a Shinto country.

Guy is just ignorant, uneducated trash with a spotlight.
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Truth is the new hate speach.

How hypocritical that a group that strives for inclusion and tolerance are one of the most intolerant.

How soon before the death threats start?
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I didn't say A&E violated his free speech.
So why did you even bring up free speech?
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You know, the same crew that called for Alex Baldwin and Martin Bashir to resign over their words.
There are a couple of huge differences between what Phil said and Alec Baldwin did. First, Phil's comments were answers to questions that someone asked him. They were not directed toward an individual. Second, Alec has a history of spewing things like he did this last time.

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I don't really get the outrage people have over what he said. He was talking about issues in terms of what is and isn't sin as prescribed by the Bible. We can argue all day long about belief in God, Jesus and the teachings in the Bible. And if that isn't your cup of tea, then more power to you. But I think that we can all agree that homosexuality and all of the other stuff he went into when he started paraphrasing Corinthians is, from a Biblical standpoint, sin. And, on that, he is correct.

Now, on the topic of him being homophobic....I have no idea. Nothing in what he said really leads me down the road to believe he has hate for people based on how they live their life, but I could be wrong on that. We live in a world that is super politically correct and anytime someone says a word that can be even loosely construed as being "anti-gay" we have this massive reaction (sometimes justified, sometimes not) where the "offender" gets raked over the coals and forever labeled a bigot. That's unfortunate. We've got to be able to get to a point in this world where someone can say something we disagree with and he/she is not shouted down and labeled negatively from that point on. If not, then what's the point of talking at all? Treating intolerance (perceived or otherwise) with love towards the person we feel is being intolerant would make this world a much better place, in my little opinion.

Oh....and where in any of that someone can then make the leap that he is now a racist too I have no idea.
Very well said, and I completely agree.
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How hypocritical that a group that strives for inclusion and tolerance are one of the most intolerant.

How soon before the death threats start?
The difference between striving for "inclusion and tolerance" and fighting for actual equality could be a completely different discussion. Personally, I don't give a rip about tolerance or changing the mind of those who disagree. I just want the same rights as everyone else.

The word tolerance (and intolerance) is thrown around a lot in these discussions and it really comes down to reality. When was the last time the HRC or any LGBT organization pushed for laws taking away the rights of those who disagreed with them?

I believe in the first amendment. And I believe he has the right to say stuff like this. I also believe that those who disagree have the right to say that they disagree.

As for those who would make death threats - it would be a small number of people on the fringe - kind of like the Westboro Baptist Church.

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Now, on the topic of him being homophobic....I have no idea. Nothing in what he said really leads me down the road to believe he has hate for people based on how they live their life, but I could be wrong on that. We live in a world that is super politically correct and anytime someone says a word that can be even loosely construed as being "anti-gay" we have this massive reaction (sometimes justified, sometimes not) where the "offender" gets raked over the coals and forever labeled a bigot. That's unfortunate. We've got to be able to get to a point in this world where someone can say something we disagree with and he/she is not shouted down and labeled negatively from that point on. If not, then what's the point of talking at all? Treating intolerance (perceived or otherwise) with love towards the person we feel is being intolerant would make this world a much better place, in my little opinion.

Oh....and where in any of that someone can then make the leap that he is now a racist too I have no idea.
This statement can certainly be construed as homophobic and at the very least offensive.

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Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men," Robertson said before paraphrasing a Bible verse. "Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.
How do you feel about relating homosexual behavior with bestiality and other criminal activities? If not homophobic, definitely ignorance. And a little offensive.

That said, it's hard to believe A&E didn't know what they were getting into with these guys. And it's hypocritical of them to take a "stand" now.
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No cable for the last 15 years: I see I'm not missing much.

Yep, I'm a smug *******.

(BTW, I clicked thinking "Duck Dynasty" was a controversial new iPhone game or something. Won't bother googling it now.)
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I see where that **** wit also thinks blacks were better off pre-civil rights.

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That said, it's hard to believe A&E didn't know what they were getting into with these guys. And it's hypocritical of them to take a "stand" now.

A&E only did it to try and stem advertisers from fleeing. According to Twitter, reruns were on all night and they're advertising a DD marathon. Stay classy A&E.
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It's looking more and more like a three ring circus...

Sarah Palin rallies fans, defends 'Duck Dynasty' patriarch Phil Robertson...
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No cable for the last 15 years: I see I'm not missing much.

Yep, I'm a smug *******.

(BTW, I clicked thinking "Duck Dynasty" was a controversial new iPhone game or something. Won't bother googling it now.)
You're not missing a thing. I grew up without it, unfortunately where I live now I can't even get free broadcast channels unless I pay for cable.

It's all trash, just day in day out every trailer trash segment of society you can think of has it's own trashy reality show.
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