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Old Dec 27, 2013, 11:37 PM   #1
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Do you follow them? [The ten commandments]

Regardless of your political or religious views. One must agree, that the Ten Commandments are the thing that through out every revision or translation of the Bible don't change at all.

For arguments sake, if you are not a Christian or do not believe in God/Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah please omit the first four.

We get:

1. You shall have no other gods besides me
2. You shall not make yourself carved images of things in heaven nor below
3. Don't take Lord's name in vain
4. Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy
5. Honor thy mother and father
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness to thy neighbor
10. You shall not covet


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Do you agree with them? If you are a Christian, do you really follow them all? Do you find them lacking? Do you think they are an attack on modern culture/society? Do they teach us anything?
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Old Dec 28, 2013, 12:28 AM   #2
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I do not agree that there were ten commandments. According to the story, Moses brought down to hefty stone tablets inscribed edge to edge on both sides. When I count them up, it comes out to 47 commandments. Some of them are ridiculously inappropriate outside a small area of the Levant about 2500 years ago.
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I do not agree that there were ten commandments. According to the story, Moses brought down to hefty stone tablets inscribed edge to edge on both sides. When I count them up, it comes out to 47 commandments. Some of them are ridiculously inappropriate outside a small area of the Levant about 2500 years ago.
However, the commandments are taken from the first ten given. Hence the most important ones and constantly mentioned throughout the Bible (both testaments). Like I said, stick to those ten for argument sake.
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Just ten, huh? So we can just ignore the parts of the bible that annoy us or are hard to understand?
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Just ten, huh? So we can just ignore the parts of the bible that annoy us or are hard to understand?
You are ignoring the premise of this thread... please reread it.
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You are ignoring the premise of this thread... please reread it.
Because the premise itself is faulty. Your assertion that the "ten commandments" are referenced throughout the bible is even not supportable. Mosaic law is inscribed on the tablets in the ark, how can you legitimately distill 47 divine edicts to ten? Because it is convenient? Because those other 37 make no sense? And what of the fact that there is not even full agreement on what the "ten" are?

Not really a sensible question.
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Old Dec 28, 2013, 02:15 AM   #7
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Regardless of your political or religious views. One must agree, that the Ten Commandments are the thing that through out every revision or translation of the Bible don't change at all. ...
Actually, there are differences between the Catholic and Protestant versions of the Ten Commandments, namely:

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Protestant Ten Commandments:

1. You shall have no other gods but me.
2. You shall not make unto you any graven images
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
4. You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
5. Honor your mother and father
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor


Catholic Ten Commandments:

1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods
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Actually, there are differences between the Catholic and Protestant versions of the Ten Commandments, namely:
Given Catholic Churches are full of imagery of Jesus and god it's not surprising they took that one out
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Given Catholic Churches are full of imagery of Jesus and god it's not surprising they took that one out
Ever see that movie "Cool Hand Luke"? It had a wonderful hymn in it,
I don't much care if it rains or freezes
Long as I got my plastic Jesus
Sitting on the dashboard of my car
Comes in colours pink and pleasant
Glows in the dark 'cause he's iridescent
Take him with you when you travel far
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The initial religious ones to me are irrelevant, which the OP indicated might be the case. Of the rest, seems to me the sensible ones (stealing & murdering) are enshrined in law in any case, and the others are a bit unrealistic these days. After all, the western economic world is based on me coveting my neighbours shiny new retina macbook pro, or similar. No mention of things like rape, domestic violence or child abuse, so the omissions aren't very helpful. It also seems to me that some items are moral imperatives (like not coveting my neighbours wife). I'm sure the original intention was for this to be illegal, but I would say that these days it is just not a nice thing to do. Though I should point out coveting and acting on coveting are different matters. In either case, it certainly isn't illegal. But I can decide what my own moral code is, thanks. Again, there are plenty of other moral things which could be mentioned, but which are omitted, like helping people in need.

So, in short not a useful rule set to live your life by in the modern world, even if you happen to have a belief, I would suggest.
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Ever see that movie "Cool Hand Luke"? It had a wonderful hymn in it,
I don't much care if it rains or freezes
Long as I got my plastic Jesus
Sitting on the dashboard of my car
Comes in colours pink and pleasant
Glows in the dark 'cause he's iridescent
Take him with you when you travel far
I haven't seen that one
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Theory :

Remove the concept of god. Replace the words "Thou Shall Not" with "It's generally accepted that ( insert law ) and people would generally agree with the last six.


5. Honor your mother and father
6. It's generally accepted that murder is wrong
7. It's generally accepted that adultery is wrong
8. It's generally accepted that stealing is wrong
9. It's generally accepted that bearing false witness is wrong
10. It's generally accepted that coveting anything that belongs to your neighbor is wrong


These basic ideals have been around in one form or another for ages. Often misinterpreted and fed by another old ideal. Lust.

It's only when the god concept enters the picture that we see a difference of views between believer and agnostic.
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If heaven and hell is real then a very small percentage will be going to heaven. Cause damn near everyone has broken at minimum one commandment. Most of us will see hell, but it's been said that hell is not a forever sentence. So most of us will take a nightmarish detour before we see heaven.

Then again accepting Jesus into your life suppose to absolve all your sins. But I can't even count how many people get so-called saved on a regular basis. How many chances do you actually get?
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Because the premise itself is faulty. Your assertion that the "ten commandments" are referenced throughout the bible is even not supportable. Mosaic law is inscribed on the tablets in the ark, how can you legitimately distill 47 divine edicts to ten? Because it is convenient? Because those other 37 make no sense? And what of the fact that there is not even full agreement on what the "ten" are?

Not really a sensible question.
Because the premise right now does not deal with that subject matter. If you want you can make your own thread with that premise and discuss it at will.

For now, either stick to what it is being discussed (namely the questions listed or their variations) or don't post at all.
There were several commandments given, none of which are mentioned above nor did I state diverge from above. It is very explicit that I state keep your religious views out of it, and just analyze the commandments themselves. Do you really agree with those? Regardless of whatever else was brought down I'm focusing on those ten. Get it?
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I do not agree that there were ten commandments. According to the story, Moses brought down to hefty stone tablets inscribed edge to edge on both sides. When I count them up, it comes out to 47 commandments. Some of them are ridiculously inappropriate outside a small area of the Levant about 2500 years ago.
No, everyone knows it was originally 15 commandments

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Ignoring the first 4 (Protestant) or 3 (Catholic), don't the remaining ones boil down to The Golden Rule?

Perhaps the stone carver was paid by the word?

The Duke said it best.

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I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on.

I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.
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1. You shall have no other gods besides me I'm Buddhist / Atheist
2. You shall not make yourself carved images of things in heaven nor below
3. Don't take Lord's name in vain
4. Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy
5. Honor thy mother and father
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness to thy neighbor (don't really understand what that one means)
10. You shall not covet Everyone covets ... at least a little bit.

I score 5 out of 10.


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Heretofore to be known as the 11th Commandment.

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1. You shall have no other gods besides me I'm Buddhist / Atheist
2. You shall not make yourself carved images of things in heaven nor below
3. Don't take Lord's name in vain
4. Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy
5. Honor thy mother and father
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness to thy neighbor (don't really understand what that one means)
10. You shall not covet Everyone covets ... at least a little bit.

I score 5 out of 10.




Heretofore to be known as the 11th Commandment.

I would say that adultery is ok if you have kids and meet someone else who you think is better but you aren't sure. I mean what else can you do?
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Ten Commandments? Bah! For Jews there are 613! Though I think it's safe to say no one follows every single one of them anymore.

Even the ten most famous ones are a little different:
1) I am the Lord thy god, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
2) Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4) Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
6) Thou shalt not murder.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.
10) Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to thy neighbor.

#2 is the most interesting I think, since, unlike the Christian commandments, it does NOT deny the existence of other deities. Yahweh is simply the most important. Indeed there is strong evidence to suggest that early Israelites believed in other gods. One in particular, the goddess Asherah, was thought to have been worshiped in the first Temple.

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I would say that adultery is ok if you have kids and meet someone else who you think is better but you aren't sure. I mean what else can you do?
Yeah, you gotta test those waters before you dive in head first!

...and you test the waters by diving in head first.
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1-4: Irrelevant.

5: "Honouring thy father and mother" is always necessary? Rumours have that there are some parents out there which are real ********. Still honour them anyway?

6: How does the bible define "murder"?

7: Err, is it "adultery" if my spouse allows me to have fun out?

8: "Stealing" as in those stickers that came with the iPods back then "Don't steal music!"?

9: Does "false witness" include made up excuses (aka lies) to decline the redneck neighbours invitation for a can of beer?

10: (I have absolutely no interest in their empty beer cans) (but his heavy duty snow blower is .. I want it NOW!)
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Ten Commandments? Bah! For Jews there are 613! Though I think it's safe to say no one follows every single one of them anymore.

Even the ten most famous ones are a little different:
1) I am the Lord thy god, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
2) Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4) Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
6) Thou shalt not murder.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8) Thou shalt not steal.
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.
10) Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to thy neighbor.

#2 is the most interesting I think, since, unlike the Christian commandments, it does NOT deny the existence of other deities. Yahweh is simply the most important. Indeed there is strong evidence to suggest that early Israelites believed in other gods. One in particular, the goddess Asherah, was thought to have been worshiped in the first Temple.
Monotheism was never popular until the Exile. Several patriarchs named their sons in honour of Baal. Yahweh's takeover of Heaven was a later interpolation.
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I would say that adultery is ok if you have kids and meet someone else who you think is better but you aren't sure. I mean what else can you do?
Humans are basically wired to become bored with their partners after about two years (the time it takes to bear and wean a cub). This benefits the genetic diversity and thus resilience of the human species. Monogamy is unnatural and wrong, "adultery" is a good thing.
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Someone once boiled it down to 3:

Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.

Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.

Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.
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