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Old Jan 3, 2014, 10:14 PM   #1
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Rand Paul Is Filing a Class-Action Lawsuit Against the NSA

Good move or political grandstanding? Would you support this on principle?
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He's been threatening to do it for months, but it looks like Rand Paul is finally ready to sue the Obama administration for the NSA's mass surveillance programs.
Paul will announce on Fox News Friday evening that he plans to file a class-action lawsuit against Barack Obama and National Intelligence Director James Clapper over the NSA's bulk metadata collection, making good on his promise to take the president to court over revelations of the spy agency's expansive domestic snooping. Although no court documents have been filed in the case yet, Paul's advisers told Daily Intelligencer that the Senator's legal team is currently drafting a complaint claiming that the searches violate Americans' Fourth Amendment rights, and plans to file the suit "soon," likely in D.C. District Court.

It's a brazen move by Paul, a likely 2016 presidential contender who delights in antagonizing national security hawks in the Chris Christie wing of the GOP. Although Senate rules prohibit Paul from using his title in the suit, the Kentucky Republican will act as the lead plaintiff in the case against the spy agency, representing between 250,000 and 300,000 peope who voluntarily signed on to the class-action suit via his Paul's RANDPAC website.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...g-the-nsa.html
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 10:24 PM   #2
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Can't fault him for trying to rein in the NSA, but I doubt it will be successful.
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 10:26 PM   #3
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Can't fault him for trying to rein in the NSA, but I doubt it will be successful.
I agree that it won't get far but it will surly ruffle some feathers in Washington.
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 10:28 PM   #4
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Because you know, Even though George Bush Jr stated why he created the NSA's extra programs in an interview it's still Obama he should sue *rolls eyes*.

I don't care for Rand Paul.
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 10:30 PM   #5
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Because you know, Even though George Bush Jr stated why he created the NSA's extra programs in an interview it's still Obama he should sue *rolls eyes*.

I don't care for Rand Paul.
But it is Obama who can put a a stop to the programs now. What point would it be in suing a ex president when it won't accomplish anything.

I didn't like the Patriot Act then and it is even worse now.
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 10:35 PM   #6
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Because you know, Even though George Bush Jr stated why he created the NSA's extra programs in an interview it's still Obama he should sue *rolls eyes*.

I don't care for Rand Paul.
And what can Bush do about it now?
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But it is Obama who can put a a stop to the programs now. What point would it be in suing a ex president when it won't accomplish anything.

I didn't like the Patriot Act then and it is even worse now.
I don't think its that easy. The government has an enormous database of all kinds of stuff. I'm petty sure it would be a lot harder than just a president (any president) saying to pull the plug.
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 10:41 PM   #8
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I don't think its that easy. The government has an enormous database of all kinds of stuff. I'm petty sure it would be a lot harder than just a president (any president) saying to pull the plug.
The president sets the policy, and congress can fix the laws. Everything can be reversed.

We need more lawsuits to challenge the legality of this.
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 10:53 PM   #9
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And what can Bush do about it now?
Well, he can at least hang as a war criminal.
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 11:08 PM   #10
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Good move , I know it's wishful thinking that Obama and Bush should be jailed over it & the P-A. But one can dream

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Well, he can at least hang as a war criminal.
Next to Obama
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Would you support this on principle?
In principle? Absolutely.

In practice? I'd be very surprised if it can actually be achieved.

But sure, let's firmly set some boundaries and hold our government to them.
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Old Jan 3, 2014, 11:36 PM   #12
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Good move or political grandstanding?
"I am a freaking Senator, one of a hundred of the most powerful individuals in the US government, and I am so contentious and unimaginitive that I have to resort to stunts like this instead of trying to accomplish stuff from within the scope of my official standing. Vote for ME!"

Yeah, grandstanding is a good word for it.
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Old Jan 4, 2014, 12:24 AM   #13
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NSA just needs to release his phone calls they recorded of him talking to his drug dealer and gay lover problem solved.
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Old Jan 4, 2014, 12:29 AM   #14
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Rand Paul is usually someone that I very much dislike, but he occasionally tries good things even though I question his motives in places like this.
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Old Jan 4, 2014, 01:00 AM   #15
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NSA just needs to release his phone calls they recorded of him talking to his drug dealer and gay lover problem solved.
That would prove his point actually. That the NSA can blackmail you into silence
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Old Jan 4, 2014, 06:54 AM   #16
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Glad a suit is being filed but he's grandstanding. If he were really serious, he wouldn't be announcing this on Hannity and he would be trying to pass legislation (you know, his job) against it.
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Love how Bush still gets dragged in on every Obama policy thread even in Obama's second term. Will the buck ever stop with Obama?

You carry on with ****** policies that were developed before you were president, how does that make you better than your predecessor?
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Old Jan 4, 2014, 08:17 AM   #18
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They appear to both be as bad as each other in many respects. I guess Obama is the bigger disappointment.
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I'm glad somebody is saying no, but chances are we'll soon seem him become unperson.
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Now the Court's feet are being put to the fire.

Should be telling.
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Old Jan 4, 2014, 09:40 AM   #21
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Love how Bush still gets dragged in on every Obama policy thread even in Obama's second term. Will the buck ever stop with Obama?

You carry on with ****** policies that were developed before you were president, how does that make you better than your predecessor?
When someone else created the policy, they generally get mentioned when discussing the policy. Even more so when the very people who are up in arms about the policy now, never said anything (or even supported) when the other guy created the policy. It's not hard to figure out.
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This should be interesting. I, for one, am tired of our government taking liberties with my liberty.
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Love how Bush still gets dragged in on every Obama policy thread even in Obama's second term. Will the buck ever stop with Obama?

You carry on with ****** policies that were developed before you were president, how does that make you better than your predecessor?
Maybe cause all of the concerns during Bush was basically ignored by Republicans until Obama came into office. Oh now we care about spending, privacy, big government, and etc:
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"I am a freaking Senator, one of a hundred of the most powerful individuals in the US government, and I am so contentious and unimaginitive that I have to resort to stunts like this instead of trying to accomplish stuff from within the scope of my official standing. Vote for ME!"

Yeah, grandstanding is a good word for it.
Attempts to bring down the NSA spy program has already failed.

Using the judiciary to challenge the constitutionality is the next viable step. There are too many power mad goons in the legislative to defund the NSA, or abolish the program.

I'm sure if Pelosi or Boxer had announced this on Jon Stewart or Rachel Maddow the tunes being sung would be very different.
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Using the judiciary to challenge the constitutionality is the next viable step.
It's really the only avenue left.

The executive and legislative branches won't do it.

It's up to the judicial.

It will be interesting to see how it comes out.
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