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Old Jan 9, 2014, 03:26 PM   #1
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iPhone 'Halo' Driving Corporate iPad/Mac Adoption, 25% of Cisco-Owned Laptops Are MacBooks




Apple is seeing increased success in selling its wares to large corporations thanks to the iPhone, reports The Wall Street Journal. A number of Apple products have acted as "halos" over the years, selling to first-time Apple owners and seeing that penetration lead to sales of more products.

The iPod helped drive Mac adoption with consumers, particularly amongst college students, but the iPhone is the most successful product in Apple's history and has driven tremendous amounts of Mac and iPad sales. One-quarter of Cisco's company-provided notebooks are Macs following that company's decision to allow employees to choose which platform they preferred.

Many companies are deploying custom applications for iPhones and iPads, with the iPhone often being Apple's first foothold in a business.
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LG&E and KU Energy LLC, Kentucky's biggest electric utility ... approved the iPhone for employees in 2010. It then introduced iPads, and built apps such as one to help its helicopter patrollers survey 5,500 miles of high-voltage power lines. Using an iPad's global-positioning system, patrollers can pinpoint the location of a problem and select from a menu of common issues, such as a damaged pole or an overgrown tree.

"For years, we looked for some way to automate this and we heard all sorts of fairy tales, but we could never find anything," said Robby Trimble, LG&E and KU's manager of transmission-line services.

Now, the utility's engineers who run power plants use iPads to record how much electricity is generated. Warehouse managers use the tablet to scan bar codes and track the utility's tools and materials.
Forrester says Apple accounts for 8 percent of global business and government spending on computers and tablets -- that number does not include the iPhone -- and could rise to 11 percent by 2015.

Apple executives frequently mention enterprise adoption and custom app development in earnings release conference calls with analysts, touting large corporate adoptions of iOS devices and how companies are using internally developed apps. The company also has large websites profiling how businesses are using both the iPhone and iPad.

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Old Jan 9, 2014, 03:29 PM   #2
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There is no end to the number of IOS and iOS devices at Cisco. My team is actually 70% Mac. We are in a network operations role internally at Cisco.

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There is no end to the number of IOS and iOS devices at Cisco. My team is actually 70% Mac. We are in a network operations role internally at Cisco.

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How many of those Macs are running Windows?
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I think this is why Apple is pushing iWork so hard, now, especially on iPad. The real halo effect, though, isn't so much from the iPhone itself, it's from the developers of iOS apps. It used to be Mac programmers were a rare breed, but the iOS gold rush has taught a lot of new and old programmers Objective-C and Cocoa, which of course kicked off a lot of new applications and interest in the Mac market. Mac programmers aren't so rare anymore, so Mac software isn't so rare anymore, so having Macs in the workplace is less of a big deal.
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That's good news... reading these forums recently you'd think everybody viewed Samsung as being the only option for mobile phones.
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Old Jan 9, 2014, 03:49 PM   #10
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1 company for every 5000 companies have a Mac install-base over 20%. Big deal.

Macs (like most business-class Wintels) are nice computers. Pricier, yes.

I'm not sure what the big advertisement is that Cisco has a 25% Mac user base. So what. I'm sure company X out there has a 25% linux base, too. And Company Y out there has a 25% Pepsi-drinking user base.

Talk to me when Macs hit a 25% install base in EITHER the consumer market or business market for a personal computer (not a tablet or a smartphone). As far as I can tell, for the past 30 years Apple peaked at 15% in either of those 2 markets...and that was in 2011 I believe.
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1 company for every 5000 companies have a Mac install-base over 20%. Big deal.

Macs (like most business-class Wintels) are nice computers. Pricier, yes.

I'm not sure what the big advertisement is that Cisco has a 25% Mac user base. So what. I'm sure company X out there has a 25% linux base, too. And Company Y out there has a 25% Pepsi-drinking user base.

Talk to me when Macs hit a 25% install base in EITHER the consumer market or business market for a personal computer (not a tablet or a smartphone). As far as I can tell, for the past 30 years Apple peaked at 15% in either of those 2 markets...and that was in 2011 I believe.
So...how's the weather in Redmond?
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Old Jan 9, 2014, 04:02 PM   #12
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Cisco's engineers choose Mac over non-Mac laptops in about 80% of cases. Cisco has a lot of non-engineers working for them, so Macs making up 25% of all computers at Cisco is when both engineers and non-engineers are counted. Among Cisco engineers, Macs are significantly more popular than PCs.
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Old Jan 9, 2014, 04:05 PM   #13
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This is from WSJ. The Halo effect is real. I see more and more people that I know use Macs now.
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Old Jan 9, 2014, 04:20 PM   #15
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So...how's the weather in Redmond?
When you quote the ENTIRE post that contains multiple points, your single question pretty much becomes invalid. Please don't quote the entire post.
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We bought a company who do real time data processing based on mac's using a sand cluster processing of a problem took 12 weeks, processing on a 6node cluster of hp blades running Hadoop took 6 hours, x1 Apple MacBook 2013 air i7 took 22mins, people are taking notice that OSX has some very powerful features
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Old Jan 9, 2014, 04:31 PM   #17
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1 company for every 5000 companies have a Mac install-base over 20%. Big deal.

Macs (like most business-class Wintels) are nice computers. Pricier, yes.

I'm not sure what the big advertisement is that Cisco has a 25% Mac user base. So what. I'm sure company X out there has a 25% linux base, too. And Company Y out there has a 25% Pepsi-drinking user base.

Talk to me when Macs hit a 25% install base in EITHER the consumer market or business market for a personal computer (not a tablet or a smartphone). As far as I can tell, for the past 30 years Apple peaked at 15% in either of those 2 markets...and that was in 2011 I believe.
And doing such would make them a $400 billion a year company rather than the ~$250 billion a year company that they are now.

How is not achieving this magical 25 percent number a demerit?
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Old Jan 9, 2014, 04:53 PM   #18
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Back in the 90's it was 100% Mac's at Cisco

When I joined Cisco in '94 the only laptop you saw at the West Tasman Cisco campus was a Mac.
Then the corporate policy makers did a deal and everyone was moved to Toshiba's, then IBM stinkpads. No Macs. Windows only with nanny ware.
In the last 5 years there's been a change internally, probably originating in R&D, where most Cisco developers reformat their laptops and install Linux.
As I understand it R&D is pretty much all Macs but not all Mac OSX.
Nice hardware for the Linux fans to install their favourite distro.
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For me, it was an iPad Nano fifth generation. Ahhh good times.

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1 company for every 5000 companies have a Mac install-base over 20%. Big deal.

I disagree. I've heard the Cisco 25% number back in 2010 when it was mostly BYOD. Regardless of how high or low it might be, thats a big number for actual enterprise managed machines.

I've got several Fortune 500 customers who have both large managed or unmanaged install bases, also thanks to BYOD. This sort of stuff usually starts at the top and trickles down throughout an organization. It's not just one company, bro.

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When you quote the ENTIRE post that contains multiple points, your single question pretty much becomes invalid. Please don't quote the entire post.
You do realise that MS is in Redmond?
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Old Jan 9, 2014, 07:00 PM   #22
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actually the number is more close to 50% at least from where I sit.

on the subject of running windows, every mac has a built in VMWare, but most people only use that for Outlook and specific apps. (Outlook for PC is FAR FAR better than Outlook 2011 in Mac.) However, I hate how VMWare kills my battery so I only use it to schedule meeting (no Cisco WebEx plug-in yet for Outlook 2011 in Mac) and switch off once I finish meeting schedule. Oh, and sometimes I have to fire it up to use Tableau.

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1 company for every 5000 companies have a Mac install-base over 20%. Big deal.

Macs (like most business-class Wintels) are nice computers. Pricier, yes.

I'm not sure what the big advertisement is that Cisco has a 25% Mac user base. So what. I'm sure company X out there has a 25% linux base, too. And Company Y out there has a 25% Pepsi-drinking user base.

Talk to me when Macs hit a 25% install base in EITHER the consumer market or business market for a personal computer (not a tablet or a smartphone). As far as I can tell, for the past 30 years Apple peaked at 15% in either of those 2 markets...and that was in 2011 I believe.
You might be missing the point here. Cisco employees is a sample group and this stat is indicative of what other corporations will turn out if they allow employees the choices of either OS. My friends working at Google and Facebook also all use Mac, because they are more "start-up culture-rish." However, I personally am surprised by how many Mac I see at Cisco especially among people in their 40s and 50s. Many of my older colleagues are not extremely technical savvy (I work in a non-technical department) and they chose Mac, in my observations, for mainly two reasons: 1. Macs are perceived as better and cooler. Yes, there is a psychological component to this. 2. Most of them already have iPhones and like it for its simplicity and ease of use over Android. This kind of validates the halo effect this article suggests.

p.s. while the 60+k employees can choose Mac, the other 40k contractors we have can only choose from the Lenovo lineup. this might also make employees believe that the Mac choices are superior, since they are more expensive for the company to support.
p.p.s mac at Cisco follow a self-support model which is far superior than the PC support where you have to get support in the shop or open a help desk ticket. with Mac, I could simply bring it to Apple Store (all of them come with 3 yrs Apple Care) and get it fixed. there are also extensive internal resources/forums sponsored by the Apple community at Cisco supporting new users.
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Good to hear. I don't really care at all about iPads and iPhones, but more Mac users means more Mac software. And I might not have to touch Windows anymore if it takes off. Can't stand using it.

But first Apple has to recover from Mavericks. Come on, no new features except extra RAM usage and bugs. Maybe less battery usage on MacBooks, but I don't know if that's true. Doubt it because it seems to use more CPU just from loading all that bloat.

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Old Jan 9, 2014, 08:36 PM   #24
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It's not all about iOS devices. Colleges nowadays are almost entirely flooded with MacBooks. The workforce is now made up of probably millions who have used macs in school, and would like to use them at work too. If enough employees push for it, it starts being offered as an option. Not saying that's what's going on here, but it is what goes on in a lot of workplaces.

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Good to hear. I don't really care at all about iPads and iPhones, but more Mac users means more Mac software. And I might not have to touch Windows anymore if it takes off. Can't stand using it.

But first Apple has to recover from Mavericks. Come on, no new features except extra RAM usage and bugs. Maybe less battery usage on MacBooks, but I don't know if that's true. Doubt it because it seems to use more CPU just from loading all that bloat.
Well, all tests show significant power usage improvements, as well as much improved RAM usage. RAM compression helps out a ton, timer coalescing (though probably almost exclusively used by Apple's software at the moment), is an incredible feature for battery life improvement. As more apps take advantage of it, battery life will slowly get better and better as time goes by. Weird, huh? App nap will probably end up working similarly, because if devs take full control of App Nap's behavior, they can also somewhat increase its efficiency. Mavericks is mostly a version focused on laptops. Some of the best features serve very little purpose on an iMac or Mac Pro, but then again, most macs sold are laptops.

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Those who play PC games. That's the only useful thing on Windows.
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