Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Mac Community > Community Discussion > Politics, Religion, Social Issues

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:18 PM   #1
MacRumors
macrumors bot
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
NSA Servers Collect Personal Data Sent by iPhone Apps




The U.S. National Security Agency specifically looks for data sent by mobile apps in order to capture personal data on targets, according to a new report from The New York Times and other news agencies.

Intelligence agencies can grab data as it travels across the Internet, looking specifically for data from smartphone apps including Google Maps -- searches within the app allow Governments to locate users to within a few yards -- and even Angry Birds. Much of the information being sent seems to be related to targeted advertising.
Quote:
The secret report noted that the profiles vary depending on which of the ad companies -- which include Burstly and Google's ad services, two of the largest online advertising businesses -- compiles them. Most profiles contain a string of characters that identifies the phone, along with basic data on the user like age, sex and location. One profile notes whether the user is currently listening to music or making a call, and another has an entry for household income.
In addition, apps like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter all support sending some amount of location data and other information, allowing intelligence agencies significant opportunities to capture personal data in real-time on targeted persons without ever having access to phones, something that was part of a different intelligence strategy revealed in previous leaked documents.

Apple CEO Tim Cook has been vocal in his disapproval of some of the NSA's methods, meeting with the President to discuss NSA surveillance and more recently saying the NSA "would have to cart us out in a box" to have access to Apple's servers.

For its part, the NSA says it only analyzes data on foreign intelligence targets and that significant protections exist for data collected on U.S. persons and "innocent foreign citizens". The NSA has said in the past that collection of this sort of smartphone traffic has been useful in cracking cases.
Quote:
"N.S.A. does not profile everyday Americans as it carries out its foreign intelligence mission," the agency said in a written response to questions about the program. "Because some data of U.S. persons may at times be incidentally collected in N.S.A.'s lawful foreign intelligence mission, privacy protections for U.S. persons exist across the entire process." Similar protections, the agency said, are in place for "innocent foreign citizens."
Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: NSA Servers Collect Personal Data Sent by iPhone Apps
MacRumors is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:19 PM   #2
sevimli
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Surprising?
sevimli is offline   6 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:20 PM   #3
Z400Racer37
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
All done inside a big black box. How appropriate -___-;
Z400Racer37 is offline   12 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:21 PM   #4
dwhittington
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevimli View Post
Surprising?
Unfortunately not.
__________________
-David

Think 8-bit.
dwhittington is offline   5 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:21 PM   #5
Xenomorph
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: St. Louis
Since everything I do is tracked and monitored, I only use computers and electronic devices to look at the most exotic and weird forms of pornography imaginable.
Xenomorph is offline   31 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:21 PM   #6
dwhittington
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z400Racer37 View Post
All done inside a big black box. How appropriate -___-;
The colors of their cars look so "boring".
__________________
-David

Think 8-bit.
dwhittington is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:21 PM   #7
dannyyankou
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
No Tim Cook, I am not more at ease after hearing this information.
dannyyankou is online now   10 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:22 PM   #8
mozumder
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
As long as they're foreign targets, it's fine.

US Citizenship - membership has its privileges.
mozumder is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:22 PM   #9
hansonjohn590
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Agency gone rogue.
hansonjohn590 is offline   8 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:23 PM   #10
TsMkLg068426
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Why does everyone act so when these was not some secret that NSA has been spying on us for a very long time.
__________________
21.5" iMac, 2.7GHz, Intel Core i5, 4GB Memory, 1 TB HD, Mac OS X Lion 10.7.2; 32 GB iPod Touch iOS 5.0.1
TsMkLg068426 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:24 PM   #11
dwhittington
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Quote:
Originally Posted by hansonjohn590 View Post
Agency gone rogue.
Governments Gone Wild?
__________________
-David

Think 8-bit.
dwhittington is offline   8 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:25 PM   #12
mozumder
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by TsMkLg068426 View Post
Why does everyone act so when these was not some secret that NSA has been spying on us for a very long time.
Exactly.

It's sort of their job, and the reason we pay them, to spy on foreign targets.
mozumder is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:26 PM   #13
ck2875
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
It looks like the NSA prefers Google Maps over Apple Maps, as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYTimes.com View Post
The two agencies displayed a particular interest in Google Maps, which is accurate to within a few yards or better in some locations. Intelligence agencies collect so much data from the app that “you’ll be able to clone Google’s database” of global searches for directions, according to a top-secret N.S.A. report from 2007.

“It effectively means that anyone using Google Maps on a smartphone is working in support of a G.C.H.Q. system,” a secret 2008 report by the British agency says.
ck2875 is offline   6 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:26 PM   #14
hansonjohn590
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by TsMkLg068426 View Post
Why does everyone act so when these was not some secret that NSA has been spying on us for a very long time.
Because it was always one of those things that people assumed but really never had confirmation of how much of an extent it was.

This is absolute confirmation of everyday examples of their intrusions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mozumder View Post
Exactly.

It's sort of their job, and the reason we pay them, to spy on foreign targets.

Have you been living under a rock? They don't stop at 'foreign.'
hansonjohn590 is offline   12 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:26 PM   #15
Unggoy Murderer
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Livingston, Scotland
I really don't get why people are making such a deal over this. I know I'm opening myself up to being totally and utterly slammed here, but I really don't think the NSA gives a damn about your Angry Birds high score or what you're sending to your Dropbox.

I would guess that about 99.99% is read by a computer infrastructure of some kind, looking out for keywords. Unless you're hiding something that you should be genuinely worried about being uncovered, why all this worry? A computer doesn't judge you (unless its your credit rating, granted) and it's very unlikely a human will ever read it.

So, unless you're looking up explosives or pornography of a particularly evil nature - why worry about a computer scanning your stuff? You probably give more data inadvertently to advertising companies.

Disclaimer: I'm a UK citizen - GCHQ does the same thing.
__________________
27" iMac, i7 3.4GHz, 16GB RAM 13" MBP 2.66 GHz, 8GB RAM 3rd Gen iPad 64 GB Wifi+4G, iOS 7 iPhone 5 32 GB, iOS 7 Mac Mini 2.00 GHz, 2GB RAM
Unggoy Murderer is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:26 PM   #16
griz
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: New London, NH
So why is it that it is ok for the government to spy on its citizens but not for its citizens to sky on its government? Exactly who controls who again?
griz is offline   12 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:28 PM   #17
hansonjohn590
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unggoy Murderer View Post
I really don't get why people are making such a deal over this.

*facepalm*

People like you are why your country is implementing filters on your internet.
hansonjohn590 is offline   18 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:29 PM   #18
cclloyd
macrumors 68000
 
cclloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Alpha Centauri A
Quote:
Originally Posted by mozumder View Post
As long as they're foreign targets, it's fine.

US Citizenship - membership has its privileges.
NDAA removes that privilege. Citizens are now targets too.
__________________
iPhone 5 Sprint w/ iOS 7.0.4 Jailbroken
iPad mini Retina w/ iOS 7.0.4 Jailbroken
MacBook Pro Retina Early 2013
cclloyd is offline   5 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:29 PM   #19
Chupa Chupa
macrumors G3
 
Chupa Chupa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyyankou View Post
No Tim Cook, I am not more at ease after hearing this information.
Tim Cook? The biggest target is Google Maps. Also when you send a phone to a social media site. If you are uneasy about all this snooping, I agree. But to single out Tim Cook is unreality.
__________________
Walled Garden ≠ Prison:
"People who use Apple products considered their options, and chose Apple. If they regret their decision, they can dump it at any time." -- Harry McCracken, Technologizer.com
Chupa Chupa is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:29 PM   #20
mozumder
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by hansonjohn590 View Post
Because it was always one of those things that people assumed but really never had confirmation of how much of an extent it was.

This is absolute confirmation of everyday examples of their intrusions.




Have you been living under a rock? They don't stop at 'foreign.'
Really? Show me a case where an American was targeted.
mozumder is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:29 PM   #21
gotluck
macrumors 68020
 
gotluck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: East Central Florida
NSA collects everything.

is it time for all of us to use TOR yet?
__________________
iPad Air LTE 7.1b3 JB (T-Mobile) - GS 4 Google Edition 4.4.2 ART (AT&T) - Windows 7 PC & HP 8740w - iPhone 4 6.1 JB
gotluck is offline   6 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:31 PM   #22
genovelle
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: May 2008
Why is it a big deal that the NSA is looking at this data. I feel they serve a far better purpose than the companies that are collecting and transmitting this data in the first place for advertising purposes. The concern should be what someone who wants to cause harm could do with this information.
genovelle is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:31 PM   #23
ck2875
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unggoy Murderer View Post
I really don't think the NSA gives a damn about your Angry Birds high score
Correct. If you read the article (NYTimes, not MR), Angry Birds was/is sending location data (among other pieces of personally identifying information) to advertisers. That's what was being intercepted.
ck2875 is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:31 PM   #24
hansonjohn590
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by mozumder View Post
Really? Show me a case where an American was targeted.
Uh, the entire meta data collection program? You know, the very first story that Snowden leaked? The one that dominated the news for a good month and is still breaking headlines.

Try informing yourself next time.
hansonjohn590 is offline   21 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 27, 2014, 01:32 PM   #25
Tknull
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: San Diego
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unggoy Murderer View Post
I really don't get why people are making such a deal over this. I know I'm opening myself up to being totally and utterly slammed here, but I really don't think the NSA gives a damn about your Angry Birds high score or what you're sending to your Dropbox.

I would guess that about 99.99% is read by a computer infrastructure of some kind, looking out for keywords. Unless you're hiding something that you should be genuinely worried about being uncovered, why all this worry? A computer doesn't judge you (unless its your credit rating, granted) and it's very unlikely a human will ever read it.

So, unless you're looking up explosives or pornography of a particularly evil nature - why worry about a computer scanning your stuff? You probably give more data inadvertently to advertising companies.

Disclaimer: I'm a UK citizen - GCHQ does the same thing.
So just curious... if the government (yours or any) decided to put a camera in everyone's living rooms.... would you not complain then either? I mean, you aren't "hiding anything" are you?
__________________
Commodore 64, Pay Phone, Pencil and Paper.
Tknull is offline   13 Reply With Quote


Reply
MacRumors Forums > Mac Community > Community Discussion > Politics, Religion, Social Issues

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:35 PM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC