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Old Mar 23, 2014, 01:53 PM   #1
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App Store and iTunes Prices in UK May Increase Up to 20%




Apple's iTunes and App Store downloads may see a price increase next year when new UK laws take effect.

The Guardian reports that the most recently introduced budget closes a loophole that allowed digital downloads to avoid UK taxes.
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The budget document said: "As announced at budget 2013, the government will legislate to change the rules for the taxation of intra-EU business to consumer supplies of telecommunications, broadcasting and e-services. From 1 January 2015 these services will be taxed in the member state in which the consumer is located, ensuring these are taxed fairly and helping to protect revenue."
Digital download retailers such as Apple and Amazon presently avoid the UK's 20% VAT by selling from countries such as Luxembourg where the tax rate is only 3%-15%. Under the new law, downloads to UK customers will be taxed at the higher 20% rate. Apps may be least affected as they are presently taxed at the higher range of 15%.

The change appears to affect all digital downloads including music, apps, and e-books, and will take effect on January 1, 2015.

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Old Mar 23, 2014, 01:55 PM   #2
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 01:55 PM   #3
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Better get Final Cut Pro X sooner rather than later then!
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 01:56 PM   #4
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Loophole? Isn't it just a new law with different %s and rules? Why do people assign grandiose terms to what laws say?
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 01:56 PM   #5
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Not sure if this new tax law complies with eu legislation.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 01:57 PM   #6
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I think i am split over-this decision:
on one side, i feel that tax avoidance by companies like apple, amazon and starbucks is diabolical, given that the customer originated from the uk - a deontological virtue, to pay taxes in a righteous manner

on the other side, this means all my apps will cost me more
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 01:57 PM   #7
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Apple should simply ****ing absorb the VAT. It's not as if they did not already profit enough from those tax leaks and make quite some money anyway.

You wanna make money in a certain country? Pay this country's taxes.
Just ridiculous to pay taxes in Luxembourg or Ireland but sell goods and services in a completely different country?
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 02:01 PM   #8
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Lmao, that blows. You hear them complaining about the cost of Macs already, and now this on top. It's getting reallyyyy expensive to be a nerd nowadays
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 02:05 PM   #9
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Don't feel bad, UK. Many here in the US know your pain. I live in New York State, which a while back instituted the "Amazon tax", making us one of the few states that actually taxes Amazon purchases. New York - the state that never met a tax it didn't love.
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 02:06 PM   #10
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Apple should simply ****ing absorb the VAT. It's not as if they did not already profit enough from those tax leaks and make quite some money anyway.

You wanna make money in a certain country? Pay this country's taxes.
Just ridiculous to pay taxes in Luxembourg or Ireland but sell goods and services in a completely different country?
But you draw the line with the customer paying taxes for their given country?
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 02:06 PM   #11
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Apple should simply ****ing absorb the VAT. It's not as if they did not already profit enough from those tax leaks and make quite some money anyway.

You wanna make money in a certain country? Pay this country's taxes.
Just ridiculous to pay taxes in Luxembourg or Ireland but sell goods and services in a completely different country?
You will alway pay any tax as a consumer. It's always you who will pay corporate taxes. I'm sure you will never understand.

Now you get what you wanted in first place. Pay your tax peon.
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Don't matter to me, I live in the U.S. Sorry UK
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Better get Final Cut Pro X sooner rather than later then!
And I am holding my breath maybe a day would come and Apple give to us for free, lol
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Apple should simply ****ing absorb the VAT. It's not as if they did not already profit enough from those tax leaks and make quite some money anyway.

You wanna make money in a certain country? Pay this country's taxes.
Just ridiculous to pay taxes in Luxembourg or Ireland but sell goods and services in a completely different country?
Ok, let's play this game. App is 10. Currently, developer gets 7 and Apple 3. Under 1-Jan-2015 laws, and your proposal, Apple should, from their 3 profit, pay the 2 tax. Ok, the still make 1. What, then, stops the government from stating the VAT is 40% starting 1-Jan-2016. Should Apple then absorb that loss, too? So charge the customer 10, pay the developer 7, pay the government 4 and write off that 1 loss. Yeah, great idea.

This is going to come to the states soon enough. It is part of the problem that needs to be addressed because the laws have not kept up with the times.
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Quite right too! If you're going to have VAT (I'm unsure about the morality of VAT - seems a bit regressive to me, why don't we get rid of VAT most other taxes and just have higher income taxes?) it shouldn't matter where the product is being sold from.
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I've always been in the camp which believes it's the job of the government and the state to close these loopholes which allow legal tax avoidance, rather than relying on people's morals. After all, if it's legal, what's wrong with it? So this is a step in the right direction for the government.

That doesn't mean I'm not a bit pissed off that everything I download will cost more, though
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Old Mar 23, 2014, 02:18 PM   #17
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double tax?

I'm not sure how that is compliant with EU law.

Value Added Tax or Retail Tax is always paid in the state of purchase for goods. If I buy a suit from Italy I pay Italian tax on my purchase. If I buy a CD from Estonia I pay Estonian tax and if I buy some music from Luxembourg I am paying Luxembourg tax.

If I am therefore paying tax in the country of purchase as the law states.

if VAT wasn't so high in the UK due to the policy of low direct tax and high indirect tax, companies wouldn't want to sell goods in the state with the lowest consumer tax which only benefits us as consumers.

If Osborne and Cameron think they can get a change in the law here they may have a tough fight as the EU Parliament elections are this year and the other state leaders may not be willing to see money flow out of their country towards the place of the end user instead of the purchase.

Perhaps the Cameron regime would be better to look again at the Commision proposal to eventually harmonise VAT levels across the Union. That way there would be less incentive to set up a business in another state.

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Don't feel bad, UK. Many here in the US know your pain. I live in New York State, which a while back instituted the "Amazon tax", making us one of the few states that actually taxes Amazon purchases. New York - the state that never met a tax it didn't love.
I prefer it that way. I live in SC currently. I get an email every January telling me how much I bought that I need to claim on my taxes. I do, but know I am in the small minority who does so. We all, regardless amazon collecting the tax or not, are required to pay this tax. If amazon were to collect in every state, it would be best. Also, allows for a more fair environment for local businesses.
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Ok, let's play this game. App is 10. Currently, developer gets 7 and Apple 3. Under 1-Jan-2015 laws, and your proposal, Apple should, from their 3 profit, pay the 2 tax. Ok, the still make 1. What, then, stops the government from stating the VAT is 40% starting 1-Jan-2016. Should Apple then absorb that loss, too? So charge the customer 10, pay the developer 7, pay the government 4 and write off that 1 loss. Yeah, great idea.

This is going to come to the states soon enough. It is part of the problem that needs to be addressed because the laws have not kept up with the times.
I suspect we would riot in the streets if they increased tax to 40% and I am NOT joking on that. We would literally have a civil uprising. So that is what is stopping them.
And I agree, Apple should absorb the increase, they have made enough billions by dodging the UK taxes they had a duty to pay by exploiting loopholes. They are not the only ones either.
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I suspect we would riot in the streets if they increased tax to 40% and I am NOT joking on that. We would literally have a civil uprising. So that is what is stopping them.

And I agree, Apple should absorb the increase, they have made enough billions by dodging the UK taxes they had a duty to pay by exploiting loopholes. They are not the only ones either.

Why would you riot? You aren't paying it in your example, Apple is.
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I suspect we would riot in the streets if they increased tax to 40% and I am NOT joking on that. We would literally have a civil uprising. So that is what is stopping them.
And I agree, Apple should absorb the increase, they have made enough billions by dodging the UK taxes they had a duty to pay by exploiting loopholes. They are not the only ones either.
They had a duty to pay more than was legally required?
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Why would you riot? You aren't paying it in your example, Apple is.
Because almost everything would suddenly cost more, unless literally every company hypothetically absorbed the VAT increase as well. It wouldn't just affect Apple!
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I have to pay taxes on the things I purchase from the iTunes and App Store so why shouldn't people in the UK have to pay taxes. No sympathy from me.
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The UK is such a joke.
Since I assume that you have lived in the UK (currently, or at some time) for some considerable period of time (otherwise the post would be...ah...ill considered), could you expand on the comment and explain why the UK is a joke.
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Apple should simply ****ing absorb the VAT. It's not as if they did not already profit enough from those tax leaks and make quite some money anyway.

You wanna make money in a certain country? Pay this country's taxes.
Just ridiculous to pay taxes in Luxembourg or Ireland but sell goods and services in a completely different country?
If corporations had to absorb all sales taxes, socialist countries with high sales taxes would be advantaged compared to the more capitalist ones.

If this was the case, why would any country not turn super-socialist and make every public service free and put 50% sales taxes on everything? It's corporations, not citizens, that would end up paying for that 50% anyway. Where do we set the bar? Apple and the likes would end up paying for your healthcare and infrastructures while it wouldn't in non-socialist countries. How is that fair?

In the end, you'd want corporations to be paying for basically all of your government's expenses, except that in reality it wouldn't be sustainable for them to do so, so they'd just stop making business in your country.

And I say that as a Canadian who pays an extra 15% sales tax on top of every product that's already more expensive than in the states. Your proposition just seems incredibly naive and selfish. I'm by no mean knowledgable about economics or politics but this kind of post (and its number of upvotes) is so cringeworthy it makes me feel better about the little understanding I have.

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