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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:02 PM   #1
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Samsung Expert Says It Only Owes Apple $40 Million in Patent Case, Not $2 Billion




In the ongoing Samsung vs. Apple lawsuit, experts hired by Samsung took the stand on Monday to explain to the jury why Samsung should only pay Apple $38.4 million in damages for infringing on Apple's patents, rather than the $2 billion Apple says it is owed.

Samsung's paid expert, Judith Chevalier, a professor of economics and finance at the Yale University School of management, said a reasonable royalty on the five patents -- if they were infringed -- would be approximately $1.75 per device, a total of $38.4 million in total damages. Apple had previously argued that it was owed $40 in damages per device.

She also called Apple's patents "very negligible" in value because they were not mentioned as frequently in customer reviews as other features that are not at issue in the case.
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Chevalier also pointed to Apple's accounting for each of its annual iOS software updates since 2009, which Apple pegs between "100+" and "200+" new features at each release, and come in at $10 to $25 per device in deferred revenue. Dividing the number of features, Chevalier claimed you could classify these features, on average, as costing 5 to 25 cents per feature.
Following Chevalier's testimony, Samsung rested its defense before starting its own case accusing Apple of infringing on its patents. The trial is expected to conclude and head to jury deliberations sometime next week.

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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:03 PM   #2
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Samsung Expert Says Something That Would Help Keep His Job.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:05 PM   #3
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Now in select Best Buy stores. Samsung Experts. Samsung, because experts are better than gurus, which are better than geniuses. Buy our **** and have a nice day.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:06 PM   #4
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Their patents are "negligible" because they weren't mentioned in consumer reviews? This is the criteria that patents supposedly need to meet now? and she teaches at Yale??? Wow.

And if the features were so negligible, then why were they copied?
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:07 PM   #5
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Their patents are "negligible" because they weren't mentioned in consumer reviews? This is the criteria that patents supposedly need to meet now? and she teaches at Yale??? Wow.
She's paid good money to spout the Samsung party line.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:12 PM   #6
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I think Samsung should pay over $40 mil but not 2 bil

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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:13 PM   #7
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There might be a conflict of interest there...

I almost had the same reaction reading "Samsung expert says" as I do when I read "industry analysts predict".
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:14 PM   #8
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Apple please for the sake of all of us tired of there frivolous lawsuits

Take the money and run!
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:14 PM   #9
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I think they're likely owed more than 40m and less than 2b.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:19 PM   #10
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Chevalier also pointed to Apple's accounting for each of its annual iOS software updates since 2009, which Apple pegs between "100+" and "200+" new features at each release, and come in at $10 to $25 per device in deferred revenue. Dividing the number of features, Chevalier claimed you could classify these features, on average, as costing 5 to 25 cents per feature.
Except some features are minor, some are major. Is the new dark green icons in ios 7.1 the same worth as carplay? Not all features were created equal. Trying to group them together is nothing more than lawyer bs.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:23 PM   #11
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Considering how much Samsung copied Apple in terms of mobile phones, $2 billion is probably the base of what Samsung owes.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 06:24 PM   #12
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Their patents are "negligible" because they weren't mentioned in consumer reviews? This is the criteria that patents supposedly need to meet now? and she teaches at Yale??? Wow.

And if the features were so negligible, then why were they copied?
No kidding. Because all consumer reviews mention every possible technology.
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Samsung's paid expert, Judith Chevalier, a professor of economics and finance at the Yale University School of management, said a reasonable royalty on the five patents -- if they were infringed -- would be approximately $1.75 per device...
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 07:05 PM   #14
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It's still more than $0. This wasn't about the money.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 07:16 PM   #15
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She's paid good money to spout the Samsung party line.
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There might be a conflict of interest there...

I almost had the same reaction reading "Samsung expert says" as I do when I read "industry analysts predict".
Here - enjoy some deeper reading. As if Apple didn't pay for "expert" witnesses either?

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/08/...llion-damages/
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 07:26 PM   #16
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Here - enjoy some deeper reading. As if Apple didn't pay for "expert" witnesses either?

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/08/...llion-damages/
whatever man, Apple experts did it out of the goodness of their hearts



or a case of hotpockets
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whatever man, Apple experts did it out of the goodness of their hearts



or a case of hotpockets
I know, right?

I just love when it's so obvious what people's biases are because they lack reading comprehension - or simply ignore stories which goes against their belief system.
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 07:58 PM   #18
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Forgive me that I haven't been following this ongoing saga, but it's pretty bad that out the gate you admit you're wrong and immediately concede to fight about how much you were wrong.
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Who grows up hoping to be a "Samsung Expert" ?
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Old Apr 21, 2014, 08:15 PM   #20
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Who grows up hoping to be a "Samsung Expert" ?
Apparently many here since they claim to know every details about Samsung
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Forgive me that I haven't been following this ongoing saga, but it's pretty bad that out the gate you admit you're wrong and immediately concede to fight about how much you were wrong.
They didn't, the court already ruled against samsung, now they are just debating how much the settlement should be.
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Here - enjoy some deeper reading. As if Apple didn't pay for "expert" witnesses either?

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/08/...llion-damages/
It was a joke. I'm not stupid but thanks for checking.
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They didn't, the court already ruled against samsung, now they are just debating how much the settlement should be.
Ah gotcha. At least this round of mud slinging won't be quite as protracted as the last one then.
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Considering how much Samsung copied Apple in terms of mobile phones, $2 billion is probably the base of what Samsung owes.
Considering Apple made the current smart phone industry what it is (grudgingly) $2B is a pretty small number.
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Apparently many here since they claim to know every details about Samsung
You would be first on that list IMO...
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