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Old Jun 2, 2014, 08:15 AM   #1
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Was Bergdahl a deserter?

And if he was, does it matter? If he wasn't will we ever know? Was he captured and how was he captured? Are we spread out so thin that we are vulnerable to capture? Where exactly are our soldiers vulnerable? Are there other US soldiers being held captive? If he deserted, was he turned and by who? Or if he was captured, was he then turned and fully brainwashed? Are there other American soldiers who could have been brainwashed by the Taliban and will authorities keep close tabs on Berhdahl? While I believe that while we are still at war and soldiers and former soldiers who signed a nondisclosure on such issues, this will turn into a lot of rumors because nobody is allowed to speak.

While desertion can cost lives, so can talking about information that DoD considers secret. Will accusing or defending Bergdahl with information about his going missing put US soldiers and/or allies in danger? Is his release just the beginning and can he potentially be a danger to others now that he will be reintegrating?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/ber...erter-or-hero/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...soner-war.html

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Old Jun 2, 2014, 09:58 AM   #2
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Don't know. Some pundents this morning have come out against him, but I don't know if it is known if he is a deserter or he was kidnapped. My Son was over in the sand box walking with a friend and they discovered they had wandered off the base and after they got back, discovered the area they had been in was not considered safe...
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This whole thing seems fishy.
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Nah, he was a CIA agent under deep cover and Hussein feared that the traitor Snowden would hand of his identity to the Russians who are really behind the Talibans !!!


It all makes sense now.
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I'm interested in critisicm that the U.S. negotiated with terrorists. Would you call prisoner exchange negotiating and what about those prisoners? Should U.S./coalition prisoners be written off or should exchanges be negotiated? Senator McCain came out against the exchange. As a former POW (him), I find this to an interesting position.
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Old Jun 2, 2014, 11:06 AM   #6
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I'm interested in critisicm that the U.S. negotiated with terrorists. Would you call prisoner exchange negotiating and what about those prisoners? Should U.S./coalition prisoners be written off or should exchanges be negotiated? Senator McCain came out against the exchange. As a former POW (him), I find this to an interesting position.
republicans will complain simply because Obama did it.

that said it does appear he was a bad apple that should have stayed over there.
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I'm interested in critisicm that the U.S. negotiated with terrorists. Would you call prisoner exchange negotiating and what about those prisoners? Should U.S./coalition prisoners be written off or should exchanges be negotiated? Senator McCain came out against the exchange. As a former POW (him), I find this to an interesting position.
At first prisoner exchange would look like negotiating, but I think it in fact might even be the opposite: it's more like negotiating under compulsion, and since negotiating is normally out of free will this could be seen as contradictory.
I too think McCain's position is interesting, prisoner exchange shouldn't be the way how we get things done, according to me.
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I'm interested in critisicm that the U.S. negotiated with terrorists. Would you call prisoner exchange negotiating and what about those prisoners? Should U.S./coalition prisoners be written off or should exchanges be negotiated? Senator McCain came out against the exchange. As a former POW (him), I find this to an interesting position.
Senator McCain and the rest of the right failed to mention their beloved Regan and Iran Contra.
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Sounds like someone is ripping off "Homeland" tell RIAA.
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Senator McCain came out against the exchange. As a former POW (him), I find this to an interesting position.
If McCain is against getting a POW back we should send him back to a prison somewhere in Vietnam.
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This whole thing seems fishy.
Fishy how? The guy was a POW for 5 years. Even if he did desert, I highly doubt he got captured on purpose and was collaborating or something similar.
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Fishy how? The guy was a POW for 5 years. Even if he did desert, I highly doubt he got captured on purpose and was collaborating or something similar.
did you miss the links on post 1?

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- The sense of pride expressed by officials of the Obama administration at the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is not shared by many of those who served with him -- veterans and soldiers who call him a deserter whose "selfish act" ended up costing the lives of better men.
"I was pissed off then and I am even more so now with everything going on," said former Sgt. Matt Vierkant, a member of Bergdahl's platoon when he went missing on June 30, 2009. "Bowe Bergdahl deserted during a time of war and his fellow Americans lost their lives searching for him."
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did you miss the links on post 1?
What, because his fellow soldiers didn't like him, he "deserted"? How the hell do they know what happened?

He went missing under circumstances known only to him and the Taliban that captured him. He said he lagged behind on a patrol and was captured...what evidence do his fellow soldiers have to the contrary?
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What, because his fellow soldiers didn't like him, he "deserted"? How the hell do they know what happened?

He went missing under circumstances known only to him and the Taliban
that captured him. He said he lagged behind on a patrol and was captured...what evidence do his fellow soldiers have to the contrary?
they know because they were there.

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From all accounts, this guy wasn't worth a trade. 8 real soldiers died looking for this twerp. This whole thing seems very fishy.

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His disappearance translated into daily search missions across the entire Afghanistan theater of operations, particularly ours. The combat platoons in our battalion spent the next month on daily helicopter-insertion search missions (called "air assaults”) trying to scour villages for signs of him. Each operations would send multiple platoons and every enabler available in pursuit: radio intercept teams, military working dogs, professional anthropologists used as intelligence gathering teams, Afghan sources in disguise. They would be out for at least 24 hours. I know of some who were on mission for 10 days at a stretch. In July, the temperature was well above 100 degrees Fahrenheit each day.

These cobbled-together units’ task was to search villages one after another. They often took rifle and mortar fire from insurgents, or perhaps just angry locals. They intermittently received resupply from soot-coated Mi-17s piloted by Russian contractors, many of whom were Soviet veterans of Afghanistan. It was hard, dirty and dangerous work. The searches enraged the local civilian population and derailed the counterinsurgency operations taking place at the time. At every juncture I remember the soldiers involved asking why we were burning so much gasoline trying to find a guy who had abandoned his unit in the first place. The war was already absurd and quixotic, but the hunt for Bergdahl was even more infuriating because it was all the result of some kid doing something unnecessary by his own volition.
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Fishy how? The guy was a POW for 5 years. Even if he did desert, I highly doubt he got captured on purpose and was collaborating or something similar.
Because if the whole 5 hard core terriost for a screwup that walked away from his post in a war zone.

If he really was a conscious person that wasn't a smart move to JOIN the Army.
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According to first-hand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera, and a diary.
Alright, if they're willing to testify that that, I suppose.

Sounds like there are multiple accounts, however:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Be...ty_and_release

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On June 30, 2009, near the town of Yahya Kheyl in the Paktika Province, Berdahl went missing under the cover of darkness.[23] Accounts of his capture differ. The version offered by Bergdahl, in a video, is that he was captured when he fell behind on a patrol.[2] Taliban sources allege he was ambushed after becoming drunk off base; U.S. military sources deny that claim, stating, "The Taliban are known for lying and what they are claiming [is] not true".[4] Other sources said Bergdahl walked off his base after his shift[24] or that he was grabbed from a latrine.[25]
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The Army promoted Bergdahl twice while he was a prisoner.

Being in combat is incredibly stressful for any human being. And every human being has their breaking point - they can take so much, and then no more.

I don't think anyone who hasn't spent months deployed in a hostile, uncomfortable, and generally hellish environment like Afghanistan has any business judging whatever it is that Sgt. Bergdahl is accused of doing.

Some of his colleagues criticize him? Thats their right. They may even have a point. But if the Army lost additional troops looking for Bergdahl - then thats on the commanders who came up with such a crappy search plan. Not Bergdahl.

I, for one, am glad Sgt. Bergdahl is returned. And if we gave up five Taliban guys from Guantanamo - good riddance. Think of the millions of dollars we'll save by not having to guard them 24/7 for the rest of their lives.
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What, because his fellow soldiers didn't like him, he "deserted"? How the hell do they know what happened?

He went missing under circumstances known only to him and the Taliban that captured him. He said he lagged behind on a patrol and was captured...what evidence do his fellow soldiers have to the contrary?
I've heard that they may have video of him walking out the gate without his weapons or equipment. One US soldier is worth five Taliban members to be named by them. Interesting. I wonder what they'd get if they take a squad.
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I've heard that they may have video of him walking out the gate without his weapons or equipment. One US soldier is worth five Taliban members to be named by them. Interesting. I wonder what they'd get if they take a squad.
By that logic then all the Taliban have to do is to capture Americans. In this long war, don't you think they have thought of that and tried? Even with what resources we have, we can't catch them that easily so I don't think we gave them an easy way to get their guys back from Gitmo. Whatever the truth of the matter which may take years to unfold, I think the president did the right thing in getting him back. What about leaving no man behind?
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From all accounts, this guy wasn't worth a trade. 8 real soldiers died looking for this twerp. This whole thing seems very fishy.

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Wow, dude. Great way to "support your troops".

Keep it classy.

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By that logic then all the Taliban have to do is to capture Americans. In this long war, don't you think they have thought of that and tried? Even with what resources we have, we can't catch them that easily so I don't think we gave them an easy way to get their guys back from Gitmo. Whatever the truth of the matter which may take years to unfold, I think the president did the right thing in getting him back. What about leaving no man behind?
Never negotiate with Terrorist. This is a slippery slope we just started down. Also did Obama get approval of congress to do this, or was he above the law again with this? Or am I remembering incorrectly that he has to get approval from congress?
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Or am I remembering incorrectly that he has to get approval from congress?
In previous wars I don't think that congress's permission was ever needed for POW exchanges so why would it be now?
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Never negotiate with Terrorist. This is a slippery slope we just started down. Also did Obama get approval of congress to do this, or was he above the law again with this? Or am I remembering incorrectly that he has to get approval from congress?
We didn't negotiate with terrorists. We negotiated with Qatar, who was the intermediary between the USA and the Taliban. There were also unique and existential circumstances which the DoD consulted the DoJ about, which was then determined (by the DoJ) that there wouldn't be the time nor legal violations from not consulting Congress.

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