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Old Jun 18, 2014, 08:44 PM   #1
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Florida dad killed by neighbor’s stray bullet

Another responsible gun owner who just wants you to know that guns don't kill people.

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A musician, teacher and new father is dead after a stray bullet pierced the wall of his Florida home on Tuesday and struck him in the back of the head. The Panama City News Herald reported that 33-year-old Justin Ayers and his wife were welcoming their 3-day-old baby home from the hospital with relatives when Justin was killed.

The bullet came from the house next door, where 62-year-old Charles Edward Shisler picked up a .9 mm pistol by the trigger, causing it to discharge. When sheriff’s deputies arrived, they found Shisler standing on his porch, although he initially was “belligerent” and uncooperative.

“The damn gun doesn’t usually shoot,” said Shisler, according to his arrest report. “You have to squeeze the hell out of the trigger to shoot it.”


A blood test taken more than four hours after the shooting found that Shisler had a blood alcohol level of .079. The legal limit for driving in Florida is .08.

Shisler told deputies he had tried to pick up the gun by its trigger. After the gunshot, he said, he hastily tried to hide the weapon under his mattress.

Deputies arrested Shisler and charged him with manslaughter and for being a convicted felon in possession of a handgun. He had a previous felony weapons conviction from 2006, according to the Herald News.

Ayers was a guitar teacher at D&H Music in Panama City and toured throughout the panhandle with his band the Ayers. As of Wednesday, the medical examiner announced that an autopsy will be conducted on Ayers’ body to determine the cause of the death and that forensic examiners are treating the two houses as a crime scene.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 08:50 PM   #2
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Old drunk kills someone by being stupid...that sounds familiar

http://www.wwltv.com/news/northshore...243574031.html

Just another responsible driver killing people...

ban cars.

But but...he was a felon and shouldn't even own a gun...why didn't he obey the law? Why do criminals think the law doesn't apply to them?
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 08:53 PM   #3
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Where do you get off calling this guy a responsible gun owner? Even in the article you quoted it stated he was a convicted felon and as such was not legally allowed to own a firearm.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 08:54 PM   #4
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Old drunk kills someone by being stupid...that sounds familiar

http://www.wwltv.com/news/northshore...243574031.html

Just another responsible driver killing people...

ban cars.

But but...he was a felon and shouldn't even own a gun...why didn't he obey the law? Why do criminals think the law doesn't apply to them?



WOW!

A totally original analogy.

Never expected that in a "gun thread".

Don't folks ever get tired of the same tired arguments over and over and over again.

I'm amazed at the persistence of presenting the same arguments (which never convinces anybody or changes any minds)...either admirable persistence...or repetition compulsion.

You decide...
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:01 PM   #5
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Where do you get off calling this guy a responsible gun owner? Even in the article you quoted it stated he was a convicted felon and as such was not legally allowed to own a firearm.
Then whoever gave or sold him that gun should be charged as an accessory.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:02 PM   #6
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Do we seriously need ANOTHER gun thread?

Also he was not a responsible gun owner as he shouldn't of even had a gun to begin with. Although being a convicted felon would not prohibit him from handling a gun properly and clearly he did not do that so your snide comment about him being a responsible gun owner is out of line.

So what would you like to talk about in this awesome you started?
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:05 PM   #7
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Then whoever gave or sold him that gun should be charged as an accessory.
How do you know someone gave him this firearm or if was even purchased?
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:13 PM   #8
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So what would you like to talk about in this awesome you started?
The loose attitude this country has regarding guns and their danger. I don't believe that no one knew that this old nut owned a gun. They just chose to let him keep his gun because they probably figured he wouldn't harm anyone.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:16 PM   #9
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Then whoever gave or sold him that gun should be charged as an accessory.
You highlight one of my issues with gun advocacy groups, and that is their support of straw purchases.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:18 PM   #10
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Also he was not a responsible gun owner as he shouldn't of even had a gun to begin with. Although being a convicted felon would not prohibit him from handling a gun properly and clearly he did not do that so your snide comment about him being a responsible gun owner is out of line.
Being a criminal has little to do with how responsible you are with a gun. This could have been literally anyone. Whether or not he was supposed to have it is kind of moot.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:19 PM   #11
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Someone needs to fact check.

".9 mm pistol"? What was the gun shooting, needles?
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:25 PM   #13
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The loose attitude this country has regarding guns and their danger. I don't believe that no one knew that this old nut owned a gun. They just chose to let him keep his gun because they probably figured he wouldn't harm anyone.
Who are "they"? I guarantee you if the authorities knew he was a convected felon he would of had that gun taken away.


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Being a criminal has little to do with how responsible you are with a gun. This could have been literally anyone. Whether or not he was supposed to have it is kind of moot.
I guess you did not read my full comment. I said exactly what you said.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:31 PM   #14
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Who are "they"? I guarantee you if the authorities knew he was a convected felon he would of had that gun taken away.



I guess you did not read my full comment. I said exactly what you said.
Yep, except I think that even one of the revered "responsible gun owners" could have been this guy. So I don't think the oP was "out of line".
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:34 PM   #15
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How do you know someone gave him this firearm or if was even purchased?
So he stole the weapon in question and it wasn't reported? Is that your final answer?

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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:39 PM   #16
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So he stole the weapon in question and it wasn't reported? Is that your final answer?
How do you know it wasn't reported?
If it was stolen and reported as such are you saying it would have somehow stopped this from happening?
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How do you know it wasn't reported?
If it was stolen and reported as such are you saying it would have somehow stopped this from happening?
If it was stolen from a gun store then yes it could have been. I would hope security cameras would have seen it happen. If it was stolen from a neighbor I would also think they would have an idea who the felons in the neighborhood are.

Either way Florida ****ed it up. But what else does Florida do.

Now do you know if it was stolen as that is what you implied.
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Old Jun 18, 2014, 09:50 PM   #18
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Impossible, criminals can't have guns
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Yep, except I think that even one of the revered "responsible gun owners" could have been this guy. So I don't think the oP was "out of line".
I actually think he is trolling according to the forum rules. The OP has not provided any comments for a constructive discussion other then "Another responsible gun owner who just wants you to know that guns don't kill people". That looks like trolling to me.

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If it was stolen from a gun store then yes it could have been. I would hope security cameras would have seen it happen. If it was stolen from a neighbor I would also think they would have an idea who the felons in the neighborhood are.
?? What cameras? Neighbor?

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Now do you know if it was stolen as that is what you implied.
I wasn't implying anything. I was replying to a Sydde's comment that someone gave or sold him the firearm and my reply was how did he know it was sold or given to him.
I don't know if it was stolen but we also don't know it was given to him or if he purchased it. This is all hearsay the article doesn't say anything about how the firearm came into his possession.
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I actually think he is trolling according to the forum rules. The OP has not provided any comments for a constructive discussion other then "Another responsible gun owner who just wants you to know that guns don't kill people". That looks like trolling to me.

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It looks like trolling to you only because you disagree with it. I'm just trying to point out another innocent person who was needlessly killed because of our country's sick obsession with guns. I know you would prefer that the liberals not bring stories of gun deaths into the public eye for discussion.
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It looks like trolling to you only because you disagree with it. I'm just trying to point out another innocent person who was needlessly killed because of our country's sick obsession with guns. I know you would prefer that the liberals not bring stories of gun deaths into the public eye for discussion.
Does your article say the man was a responsible gun owner? Of does it mention he was a criminal?
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I actually think he is trolling according to the forum rules. The OP has not provided any comments for a constructive discussion other then "Another responsible gun owner who just wants you to know that guns don't kill people". That looks like trolling to me.
I don't disagree, but I think we have some far bigger fish to fry around here if we want to get into the topic of trolling.
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Does your article say the man was a responsible gun owner? Of does it mention he was a criminal?
The responsible gun owner remark was obviously sarcastic. Yes, he was a criminal. Perhaps if the average joe weren't able to walk into a walmart in Florida and purchase a gun, they wouldn't trickle down into the hands of criminals so easily.

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Old drunk kills someone by being stupid...that sounds familiar

http://www.wwltv.com/news/northshore...243574031.html

Just another responsible driver killing people...

ban cars.

But but...he was a felon and shouldn't even own a gun...why didn't he obey the law? Why do criminals think the law doesn't apply to them?
Yeah I mean it's not like cars were built for a purpose other than ending life. If only they had some sort of national identification system for car owners where each and every car has an identification number registered to the person who purchased it...
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The responsible gun owner remark was obviously sarcastic. Yes, he was a criminal. Perhaps if the average joe weren't able to walk into a walmart in Florida and purchase a gun, they wouldn't trickle down into the hands of criminals so easily.

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Yeah I mean it's not like cars were built for a purpose other than ending life. If only they had some sort of national identification system for car owners where each and every car has an identification number registered to the person who purchased it...
Do you own guns?
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