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Old Jul 9, 2014, 04:48 PM   #1
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Lenovo Passes Apple in U.S. PC Shipments As Worldwide Market Flatlines




Apple saw its U.S. PC marketshare decline to 10.6 percent in the second quarter of 2014, down from 11.5 percent in the year-ago quarter, according to new data released from Gartner. With 1.6 million shipments, it trailed behind HP, Dell, and Lenovo, ranking fourth for the first time in several years.

Lenovo saw the most significant growth at 20.3 percent, while HP and Dell also saw high growth rates of 15.5 percent and 12.3 percent, respectively. Toshiba, with just over a million shipments, also saw growth of 18.5 percent.

Gartner's Preliminary U.S. PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 2Q14 (In Thousands)
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"The consumer PC market also started picking up in the U.S. The availability of affordable, thin and light notebooks have drawn consumers' attention," Ms. Kitagawa said. "Touch enable devices are also widely available with decreasing price premiums compared to a year ago. The price premium is low enough for mainstream consumers to spend the extra money for the additional functionalities,
such as touch."

Four of the top five vendors in the U.S. market experienced double-digit growth. HP was the market leader, accounting for 27.7 percent of PC shipments.
Overall, U.S. PC shipments totaled 15.9 million, up 7.4 percent year over year, while worldwide PC shipments saw flat growth compared to the year-ago quarter. Shipments totaled 75.8 million units, a 0.1 increase. Though worldwide PC shipments have ceased to decline in 2Q14, interest in low-cost tablets continues to eat into the traditional PC market.

Apple's U.S. Market Share Trend: 1Q06-2Q14 (Gartner)
IDC has also released its own estimates of PC shipments for the second quarter of 2014, painting a similar picture. IDC puts Apple's shipments at 1.6 million and its market share at 10 percent, down from 10.9 percent, a 1.7 percent decline. IDC's numbers also rank HP, Dell, and Lenovo as the top three vendors in the United States, with all three seeing growth of 15.6, 12.9, and 24.7 percent, respectively.

Unlike Gartner, IDC suggests worldwide PC sales totaled just 74.4 million, a year-over-year decline of 1.7 percent, with U.S. sales up 6.9 percent.

IDC and Gartner did not list Apple's worldwide market share for the quarter, as usual, because the company does not rank among the top five vendors on a worldwide basis. Apple's U.S. decline comes even as the company dropped the prices on two of its flagship products in 2014 -- both the MacBook Air and the iMac saw price drops, with the former gaining a small spec boost and the latter seeing the introduction of a new low-cost version.

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Old Jul 9, 2014, 04:51 PM   #2
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How the hell is HP number one? I understand Lenovo doing well and can even see why dell is but HP is a horribly messy company flailing around trying to get back on track and their products are not great at all.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 04:52 PM   #3
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I've been holding out of the new rMBP... However, the way it looks with intel now... I am thinking I may just pull the trigger soon.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 04:54 PM   #5
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I did not expect this,

I would have expected Apple's marketshare in PCs to increase
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 04:56 PM   #7
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How the hell is HP number one? I understand Lenovo doing well and can even see why dell is but HP is a horribly messy company flailing around trying to get back on track and their products are not great at all.
Marketshare luckily isn't reflective of quality. HP and Lenovo both churn out the cheapest crap they can, with failure rates (overheating for HPs, everything else for the Lenovos) unparalleled in the industry.

It's a shame that parents and consumers simply see the price tag and buy solely on that. Nonetheless, people who buy HP certainly don't buy them again -- different story for Apple.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 04:58 PM   #8
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I did not expect this,

I would have expected Apple's marketshare in PCs to increase
Price is the biggest thing. I know plenty of people who just aren't willing and/or able to spend the money on a Mac.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 04:58 PM   #9
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Not surprising as Apple hasn't released any new PCs and the Wintel space is upgrading from XP to 7/8.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 05:02 PM   #10
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iPad is taking a lot of Macbook sales....
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Marketshare luckily isn't reflective of quality. HP and Lenovo both churn out the cheapest crap they can, with failure rates (overheating for HPs, everything else for the Lenovos) unparalleled in the industry.

It's a shame that parents and consumers simply see the price tag and buy solely on that. Nonetheless, people who buy HP certainly don't buy them again -- different story for Apple.
I've owned multiple HP PCs and they usually last me 5 to 6 years. The last two I replaced because of the hard drives dying, but if I wanted to I could have just replaced the drives and gotten even more use out if them.
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I don't get how Lenovo is doing this good, I work with these machines all day. They are garbage, literally the worst build quality and model variations, spec wise they don't perform as they should.
I would rather have Acer or Asus, terrible, terrible laptops/desktops.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 05:03 PM   #13
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The Apple of PC's has to be ASUS. I just love my Zenbook UX301. Can't see how HP gets #1 with the cheap crap they put out.
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I've owned multiple HP PCs and they usually last me 5 to 6 years. The last two I replaced because of the hard drives dying, but if I wanted to I could have just replaced the drives and gotten even more use out if them.
Laptops or desktops? Unless you wear heatproof undies you can't say their laptops have got a decent thermal system.

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I don't get how Lenovo is doing this good, I work with these machines all day. They are garbage, literally the worst build quality and model variations, spec wise they don't perform as they should.
I would rather have Acer or Asus, terrible, terrible laptops/desktops.
100% agree, my experiences exactly.
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Apple, please give a good reason to upgrade my first generation retina macbook pro with 512GB. I used to upgrade every release but I have yet to see anything that makes me go .

Release a retina screen that perfectly scales to 1680x1050 and I'll buy another one in a heartbeat. This 900p scaling nonsense is just makes everything too big.
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Marketshare luckily isn't reflective of quality. HP and Lenovo both churn out the cheapest crap they can, with failure rates (overheating for HPs, everything else for the Lenovos) unparalleled in the industry.

It's a shame that parents and consumers simply see the price tag and buy solely on that. Nonetheless, people who buy HP certainly don't buy them again -- different story for Apple.
Please! Everybody knows Apple Macs are more expensive and generally better machines. But, the market is made up of consumers at all levels. Some richer and some poorer. The beauty of competition is consumers can find a product that suits their needs and their pocketbooks. There is nothing wrong with Lenovos and HP machines. There is a market for them especially the government market which seeks to save taxpayer dollars.
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I did not expect this,

I would have expected Apple's marketshare in PCs to increase
Bet they will be next year.:-)
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I don't get how Lenovo is doing this good, I work with these machines all day. They are garbage, literally the worst build quality and model variations, spec wise they don't perform as they should.
I would rather have Acer or Asus, terrible, terrible laptops/desktops.
T440 models?

Or BestBuy retail shelf crap they push?
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For the first time in years, I have no interest in buying an Apple machine. I got a Surface Pro 3, after having a Surface Pro 2 (sold my 15" Retina Macbook Pro) which is a really great machine, though not without lots of the typical Microsoft foibles.

Still, it is far more interesting of a machine than anything Apple currently has. Which really makes me sad, because for the first time in a LONG time, I am hesitant to recommend an Apple computer to my friends.

Say what you will about Windows 8.1, it is coming along pretty nicely - I was shocked at how much lower maintenance it was compared to Windows Vista (last version of Windows I had the displeasure of using, yuck).

I really enjoy the SP3, and all of my friends and family are enthralled with it (though it has its issues).

I have started hearing words like 'boring' thrown around when describing Macs these days, which is ... not supposed to happen!

C'mon Apple, we are starting to believe that the media is right, without Steve at the helm, you've lost your way once more.
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Please! Everybody knows Apple Macs are more expensive and generally better machines. But, the market is made up of consumers at all levels. Some richer and some poorer. The beauty of competition is consumers can find a product that suits their needs and their pocketbooks. There is nothing wrong with Lenovos and HP machines. There is a market for them especially the government market which seeks to save taxpayer dollars.
You give consumers too much credit. As if the people who buy a crappy £200 HP with an AMD CPU have any idea what the heck they're doing. They just see the pricetag and nothing else.

Additionally, I'd wager that your experiences with the bottom-rung of Lenovo/HPs are limited. Some of the crap they push is nothing short of abhorrent.
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Old Jul 9, 2014, 05:10 PM   #21
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How the hell is HP number one? I understand Lenovo doing well and can even see why dell is but HP is a horribly messy company flailing around trying to get back on track and their products are not great at all.
I really hate these market research firms who toute shipments and not actual sales. Just remember the ZUNE how well it was doing against the iPod when first released, only to find they were flooding the channel and not really selling. These market share numbers fall in same category, internet usage numbers give a better indication of market share. Many of my customers are using Macs over 10 years old, some 20 so they are not replacing as often as their PC counterparts.
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I will say this however, for all the talk about how "expensive" Macbooks are, try pricing a competitive PC, they are all as expensive or *more* expensive. I just don't understand the constant "common knowledge" that Macs are more expensive. Try buying a Lenovo or Samsung Ultrabook - and tell me what it costs compared to a Macbook.

Though, I will say that the Macbooks (Air at least) are falling way behind in display quality / tech.
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This is not surprising at all. Clearly Macs are great computers and non-business users tend to be very comfortable in the Mac ecosystem.

Just as clear though is that Apple has taken a very casual attitude towards fulfilling customer needs and wants. Consider the holes in the product lineup;

There is no modern mini with current specs.

There are no user friendly towers at all, mini-tower, mid-tower or full tower.

There are no OSX tables or convertibles.

Apple cannot make one expensive, specialized computer, essentially one type of AIO (in two sizes), an apparently ignored laptop-in-a-box, and two, partially overlapping lines of laptops and claim to be in the computer business.

There are a lot of great PCs out there at less than $1000 that are more feature-rich and future proof than Macs are. Sure, the readers here prefer Mac but there are a bunch of Windows fans across the world that Apple has to be competitive to.
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I'll probably get slammed for this, but wouldn't it be in Apple's best interest to lessen the price gap of their products compared to competitors? I suspect there's a large market of buyers who would move over to Apple if prices were more reasonable. I know, I know, they've made billions with their pricing model, but wouldn't they REALLY dominate the market with lower prices?
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God people can be annoying sometimes.

If this was "Apple passes Lenovo" you'd say "not surprising, quality and quantity"

What a joke
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