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biosci

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I was just wondering if you guys used VPN services for your personal phones such as your iPhone, iPad, macbook etc when connected to networks outside of your home. Whether it be a coffee shop WiFi network or the WiFi provided to you at your place of work.

The key thing here is that it's your personal device. Your email, chats/texts, photos etc. With VPN, is everything really secure?
 

SandboxGeneral

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No, I don't. When out in public, I stick to my LTE network and avoid the free wifi hotspots. Otherwise, when at work I use the wifi, since, I'm the guy who controls it!
 

SpyderBite

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I will use a VPN on my notebook computer while on unfamiliar wifi networks. But only if I'm going to be using it for longer than 5 or 10 mins.

I use any wifi network carefree on my iPhone or iPad as I have yet to hear about any iOS hacking scandal. XD
 

rui no onna

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No, I don't. When out in public, I stick to my LTE network and avoid the free wifi hotspots.
Same. I've got a large enough bandwidth cap that I don't really find myself having to troll for free wifi hotspots. Besides, LTE is usually faster. That said, I do have a paid VPN account (mostly to get around geographic restrictions) and I can also VPN to my home router so I have that option if ever I need it. ;)

VPN encrypts your internet traffic. As most things, it's not completely secure but it's still a whole lot better than leaving your traffic unencrypted for anyone with a wifi device to see.
 

Azzin

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I've got an unlimited data allowance, so I don't feel the need to use Starbucks (or whoever's) wifi, but if I have a weak 3G (no 4G yet) signal inside and I need to use their wifi, I use Spotflux (I think that's what it's called).
 

biosci

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When you join a WiFi network, what do the network admins see when you connect? Can they see the specific information sent or just the device type connected? I heard/read that they can see the apps and device name on the mobile devices as well used to send/receive data.

If you use a VPN service, does this change? Can they still see your device as 'John Smith's iPhone' along with all the information that is sent and received from the device?
 

cosus

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I use tor/VPN for public wifi. Sure I have unlimited data, but the battery is my main concern.
 

rui no onna

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When you join a WiFi network, what do the network admins see when you connect? Can they see the specific information sent or just the device type connected? I heard/read that they can see the apps and device name on the mobile devices as well used to send/receive data.
If the wifi's unencrypted and the website you're visiting doesn't use SSL? Anything from the operating system, browser and version used, website you're visiting and even user names and passwords. If the site uses SSL, at the very least the network admins can still log what websites you're visiting.

If you use a VPN service, does this change? Can they still see your device as 'John Smith's iPhone' along with all the information that is sent and received from the device?
They can still see your device as John Smith's iPhone. The difference is your traffic is encrypted and everything goes through the VPN so the network admins wouldn't know if you're checking the news or downloading porn. :p
 

biosci

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They can still see your device as John Smith's iPhone. The difference is your traffic is encrypted and everything goes through the VPN so the network admins wouldn't know if you're checking the news or downloading porn. :p


Does this include iMessage/mail or just websites. Too bad it still can read john smiths iPhone...

To summarize, with VPN, all they can see is the device name and that there was data sent/received. But the specifics of the data is unknown?
 

rui no onna

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Does this include iMessage/mail or just websites.
That should be for all internet traffic (including email, instant messages, torrents, ftp, etc).

To summarize, with VPN, all they can see is the device name and that there was data sent/received. But the specifics of the data is unknown?
That's the whole point of it. They know the data is going to/coming from an address (the VPN) but they don't know what happens to the data once it reaches the VPN. Nor can they easily read what the data contains. They can probably brute force decrypt it but unless you're a spy or something, I doubt anyone will go through that much hassle for your data.
 

Menel

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I was just wondering if you guys used VPN services for your personal phones such as your iPhone, iPad, macbook etc when connected to networks outside of your home. Whether it be a coffee shop WiFi network or the WiFi provided to you at your place of work.

The key thing here is that it's your personal device. Your email, chats/texts, photos etc. With VPN, is everything really secure?
Depends on what I'm doing. Have a VPN sitting behind an Airport Extreme on father's 1000/1000 fiber internet.

Coffee shop.
Reeder RSS, web forums, google news? No
Facebook? No
Banking? Yes

Work.
Web forums, RSS? Yes
Facebook? Yes
Banking? Yes

Friend/parent's home? No
 
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