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Old Sep 3, 2014, 07:40 PM   #1
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Broadcom Launches New 650Mbps 802.11ac Wi-Fi Chip for Mobile Devices




Communications chip maker Broadcom today announced a new 5G 802.11ac Wi-Fi chip designed for smartphones.

Capable of data throughput speeds of up to 650 Mbps, the BC4358 is Broadcom's second chip to use 2x2 MIMO (multiple input multiple output), bringing up to twice the Wi-Fi performance with 25 percent more power efficiency than 1x1 MIMO chips.

MIMO is a technology that utilizes multiple antennas for both the transmitter and receiver to improve communication performance. Apple has adopted MIMO technology in the iPad Air and iPad mini with Retina display.
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Today's content-centric consumer spends an average of 4-5 hours a day on Wi-Fi1. With 650 Mbps Wi-Fi data throughput and 50 percent better coexistence performance with Bluetooth, consumers can download content two times faster, stream videos with less buffering and connect to multiple Wi-Fi and Bluetooth devices concurrently (e.g. listen to music while playing a game) without interference issues.
According to Broadcom, the new chips are already in production and will begin shipping in smartphones during the third quarter of 2014, which means the timing could possibly be right for inclusion in the iPhone 6.

According to Broadcom, its BCM4358 chip includes improved location accuracy that's accurate "down to one meter" for better indoor location-based services, which aligns with Apple's own indoor mapping aspirations. It's also the first chip that enables Angle-of-Arrival direction finding technology, another feature Apple could make use of. Rumors have suggested Apple is working on indoor mapping features for a future iOS 8 update.

It isn't known if Apple's iPhone 6 will use this specific chip, but Broadcom is one of Apple's partners, supplying chips for both its desktop and mobile devices. Apple uses Broadcom chips in its line of Macs that support 802.11ac, including the MacBook Air, Retina MacBook Pro, and iMac.

Rumors have suggested that the iPhone 6 will likely support 802.11ac, which has been included in Apple's Macs since 2013. 802.11ac Wi-Fi is designed to offer speeds up to three times as fast as existing 802.11n wireless networks.

Article Link: Broadcom Launches New 650Mbps 802.11ac Wi-Fi Chip for Mobile Devices
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unless you're on sprint.

then you're still screwed

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Old Sep 3, 2014, 07:42 PM   #3
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Cool, but I don't even know where to find a 650Mbps Wi-Fi network. Does this mean using existing networks will get improved performance with this chip?
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Hmm

Will find it's way to a new Airport Extreme?
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 07:43 PM   #5
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what is the bandwidth required for Wi-Di...

wireless display.. uncompressed that is.

Will be sick when smartphones can wirelessly display TVs.

not like apple TV. air play.

but direct uncompressed streaming, like WiDi
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Will find it's way to a new Airport Extreme?
The existing tower Airport Extreme already supports 3 stream 802.11ac. This is great for a mobile device, but for a base station or laptop the stuff Apple's using now already outclasses it.
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 07:47 PM   #7
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Gigabit WiFi term...

"Rumors have suggested that the iPhone 6 will likely support 802.11ac, which has been included in Apple's Macs since 2013. 802.11ac, or "Gigabit" Wi-Fi is designed to offer speeds up to three times as fast as existing 802.11n wireless networks."

I'd definitely NOT use the term "Gigabit WiFi" when talking about 802.11ac in a smartphone form factor. That simple isn't happening, MacRumors shouldn't confuse the readers with careless statements like that.

The only time you'll actually achieve "gigabit" WiFi 1300Mbps handshake is when using 3x3 MIMO AC router + 3x3 MIMO capable device like a laptop/desktop and 80MHz channel. Even then the chances of getting the actual 1Gbps rates is slim to none.
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what is the bandwidth required for Wi-Di...

wireless display.. uncompressed that is.

Will be sick when smartphones can wirelessly display TVs.

not like apple TV. air play.

but direct uncompressed streaming, like WiDi
Depends on how "uncompressed". 1080p can need upwards of 3Gb/s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p
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Cool, but I don't even know where to find a 650Mbps Wi-Fi network. Does this mean using existing networks will get improved performance with this chip?
Here:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/ME...treme?fnode=4d

This isn't going to do anything for non-ac networks, though. Don't expect improved performance at Starbucks any time soon.
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have suggested that the iPhone 6 will likely support 802.11ac, which has been included in Apple's Macs since 2013...
Also known as last year.

I noticed during the Samsung keynote that they also referred to things as "since 2013" as if it had been quite some time.
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Cool, but I don't even know where to find a 650Mbps Wi-Fi network. Does this mean using existing networks will get improved performance with this chip?
Go make a friend in Chattanooga with gigafiber and an Airport Express.
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Apple hasn't used 2x2 in any iPhone yet. So I suppose we could get the chip in the iPhone 6 but only limited to 1x1 MIMO.
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I'd definitely NOT use the term "Gigabit WiFi" when talking about 802.11ac in smartphone form factor. That simple isn't happening, MacRumors shouldn't confuse the readers with careless statements like that.
It isn't MacRumors terminology. Broadcom has used it in the past to describe 802.11ac

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...136728148.html
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Also known as last year.

I noticed during the Samsung "keynote" that they also referred to things as "since 2013" as if it had been quite some time.
I had to fix that for you. I watched part of their so-called "keynote" and it all seemed really staged. Just the way that they were talking and commenting on the devices seemed totally premeditated (even though these things are, but they sounded like they were reading from a script)

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Apple hasn't used 2x2 in any iPhone yet. So I suppose we could get the chip in the iPhone 6 but only limited to 1x1 MIMO.
iPhone 6S feature perhaps?
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Seems cool.. not sure how USEFUL it'd be in every day real life, though....


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Seems cool.. not sure how USEFUL it'd be in every day real life, though....


faster, better, less battery, no interference… isn't that what we want for every day real life?
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I hope this makes it into the 6!
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Old Sep 3, 2014, 08:03 PM   #18
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This won't be in the iPhone 6, but the phone will have wireless AC.
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This won't be in the iPhone 6, but the phone will have wireless AC.
Hopefully not wireless alternating current I know what you mean though. Although doesn't wireless/inductive charging use an alternating current?
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faster, better, less battery, no interference… isn't that what we want for every day real life?
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I had to fix that for you. I watched part of their so-called "keynote" and it all seemed really staged. Just the way that they were talking and commenting on the devices seemed totally premeditated (even though these things are, but they sounded like they were reading from a script)



iPhone 6S feature perhaps?
MIMO requires multiple antennas, so it's hard to say how Apple wants to handle that.
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It isn't MacRumors terminology. Broadcom has used it in the past to describe 802.11ac

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...136728148.html
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"Rumors have suggested that the iPhone 6 will likely support 802.11ac, which has been included in Apple's Macs since 2013. 802.11ac, or "Gigabit" Wi-Fi is designed to offer speeds up to three times as fast as existing 802.11n wireless networks."

I'd definitely NOT use the term "Gigabit WiFi" when talking about 802.11ac in a smartphone form factor. That simple isn't happening, MacRumors shouldn't confuse the readers with careless statements like that.

The only time you'll actually achieve "gigabit" WiFi 1300Mbps handshake is when using 3x3 MIMO AC router + 3x3 MIMO capable device like a laptop/desktop and 80MHz channel. Even then the chances of getting the actual 1Gbps rates is slim to none.

It's the general term Broadcom's used, but I certainly see your point when applied to mobile. I've taken it out, appreciate the advice
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So...is Comcast going to push out entry level plans that support these speeds?

lol. I think I'll have decomposed in my grave before they hit 300mbps
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Even though this is for wifi, I can't help but agree.



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So...is Comcast going to push out entry level plans that support these speeds?

lol. I think I'll have decomposed in my grave before they hit 300mbps
They apparently have up to 505 Mbps in some areas.

Though, it definitely seems like other providers are taking more initiative there.
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Will find it's way to a new Airport Extreme?
ive never really understood the airport extreme. does it only help spread the current signal you have? like boost the range? or does it actually enhance it as in more speed/bandwith?
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