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Composed of a large group of retailers aiming to introduce the QR code-based "CurrentC" payments system, Apple Pay competitor Merchant Customer Exchange, or MCX, has been in the spotlight in recent weeks after the removal of Apple Pay support from Rite Aid and CVS, two prominent MCX members.

Following a hacking incident and negative press focused on CurrentC's convoluted QR code payment process and privacy issues, MCX has been scrambling to reverse the public's negative perception of CurrentC.

After a press conference last week where executives suggested MCX was under attack for "challenging the status quo" of large, entrenched payments systems, MCX chief operating officer Scott Rankin did an interview with USA Today to clear up more misconceptions about MCX and CurrentC.

One of the major privacy complaints about CurrentC centered around a requirement that users provide both a social security number and a driver's license when signing up. According to Rankin, this is only necessary for the pilot test, and he does "not expect to have those requirements" when CurrentC launches in early 2015.

Another issue has been CurrentC's ability to link to a customer's bank account, allowing merchants to avoid paying costly credit card fees, a feature Rankin says is actually based on customer preference. 75 percent of all purchases made at the 50 MCX merchants (including Walmart, Target, Lowe's, and more) are done with cash, debit cards, gift cards, and store cards, rather than with Visa, MasterCard, and American Express credit cards.

MCX has previously said CurrentC will accept debit and credit cards in addition to connecting directly to a checking account, and Rankin downplayed the focus on connecting to a user's bank account, saying that he doesn't expect it to be the most prevalent CurrentC payment method.

Rankin also addressed the QR code payment process, which has been described as "convoluted" by the media. He called it "frictionless," but even described in his own words, it requires several steps beyond Apple Pay's one-finger Touch ID checkout process. MCX has said that it will explore NFC in the future if necessary.

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Here's how Rankin describes the checkout process with CurrentC.

After the sale is rung up, and you say you want to pay via mobile, "You pull out the phone, open the app, click pay and a QR code is displayed. She scans it, and you're done. It's like when the QR code is sent to you by the airline and you use it for your boarding pass. It's frictionless."
Finally, Rankin once again addressed the exclusivity agreements that bind all MCX members, stating that exclusivity terms are "closer to months than years."

Rite Aid and CVS, as MCX members, were required to cease accepting Apple Pay to remain part of MCX, but are free to leave at any time. Meijer, another MCX member, has opted to continue offering Apple Pay support in its stores, It is not clear if Meijer has left MCX or if it is ignoring exclusivity restrictions. Rankin confirmed there are no fines for companies that leave MCX, but he did not address the large sums of money companies have already invested in the program.

Rankin's full comments on CurrentC and MCX can be found at USA Today. MCX executives have plans to speak on CurrentC at the Money 20/20 conference in Las Vegas this week, further explaining how CurrentC will benefit consumers.

Article Link: MCX Executive: Social Security Number Won't Be Required, Most Customers Don't Use Major Credit Cards
 

Dekema2

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Still, your driver's license number can actually do a LOT of damage. And if that won't be needed in the release, the other info you submit will probably be hacked anyway.

I hope stores offer best of both worlds for our Android friends and others without NFC. Limiting tech should never be the way to sway opinion.
 

utl768

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i still never use this regardless

doesnt seem nearly as secure as apple pay
 

neuropsychguy

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Sep 29, 2008
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Rankin has a point but it still doesn't fix the awkward process of using MCX. NFC is much better. MCX is dead on arrival. NFC, now that Apple Pay is out, is where things are going for the foreseeable future.
 

jontech

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No thank you! I don't want any merchant direct access to my bank account. At least my bank or credit card company can fight on my behalf when there is an issue. Imagine having to contact Walmart customer service for a discrepancy?
 

laurim

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So by that description, they send YOU the QR code that's specific to you, you don't scan a physical code like that diagram shows.
 

jbachandouris

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The bottom line is they are restricting choice. Because they DEMAND that a store use them and no one else would cause me not to use them. If their product was any good, they wouldn't have to try so hard to convince us.

Most of us don't use credit cards? What planet are they from?

Since they have already been hacked even before they have gone live, why would anyone trust them? Not me.

PLUS there is ZERO fraud protection. If there is an issue, I have to sort it out myself? No way!
 

Keirasplace

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Composed of a large group of retailers aiming to introduce the QR code-based "CurrentC" payments system, Apple Pay competitor Merchant Customer Exchange, or MCX, has been in the spotlight in recent weeks after the removal of Apple Pay support from Rite Aid and CVS, two prominent MCX members.

Following a hacking incident and negative press focused on CurrentC's convoluted QR code payment process and privacy issues, MCX has been scrambling to reverse the public's negative perception of CurrentC.

After a press conference last week where executives suggested MCX was under attack for "challenging the status quo" of large, entrenched payments systems, MCX chief operating officer Scott Rankin did an interview with USA Today to clear up more misconceptions about MCX and CurrentC.

One of the major privacy complaints about CurrentC centered around a requirement that users provide both a social security number and a driver's license when signing up. According to Rankin, this is only necessary for the pilot test, and he does "not expect to have those requirements" when CurrentC launches in early 2015.

Another issue has been CurrentC's ability to link to a customer's bank account, allowing merchants to avoid paying costly credit card fees, a feature Rankin says is actually based on customer preference. 75 percent of all purchases made at the 50 MCX merchants (including Walmart, Target, Lowe's, and more) are done with cash, debit cards, and gift cards, rather than with Visa, MasterCard, and American Express credit cards.

MCX has previously said CurrentC will accept debit and credit cards in addition to connecting directly to a checking account, and Rankin downplayed the focus on connecting to a user's bank account, saying that he doesn't expect it to be the most prevalent CurrentC payment method.

Rankin also addressed the QR code payment process, which has been described as "convoluted" by the media. He called it "frictionless," but even described in his own words, it requires several steps beyond Apple Pay's one-finger Touch ID checkout process. MCX has said that it will explore NFC in the future if necessary.

Finally, Rankin once again addressed the exclusivity agreements that bind all MCX members, stating that exclusivity terms are "closer to months than years."

Rite Aid and CVS, as MCX members, were required to cease accepting Apple Pay to remain part of MCX, but are free to leave at any time. Meijer, another MCX member, has opted to continue offering Apple Pay support in its stores, It is not clear if Meijer has left MCX or if it is ignoring exclusivity restrictions. Rankin confirmed there are no fines for companies that leave MCX, but he did not address the large sums of money companies have already invested in the program.

Rankin's full comments on CurrentC and MCX can be found at USA Today. MCX executives have plans to speak on CurrentC at the Money 20/20 conference in Las Vegas this week, further explaining how CurrentC will benefit consumers.

Article Link: MCX Executive: Social Security Number Won't Be Required, Most Customers Don't Use Major Credit Cards

Isn't that the same thing as saying "you're holding it wrong"... Come on, most people are actually paying cash at these places... Are they even serious?

"Yeah, we only put that SSN thing on our web site because WE are idiots" should be their new motto.

Or "trust us, we know idiots, cause we are idiots ourselves".
 

philipk

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Jun 11, 2008
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Most customers don't use major credit cards?

What is he on drugs or is lying his second nature?

If most people don't use major credit cards, how did so many people sign up to use Apple Pay the first week?
 

QuiteSure

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Jun 20, 2002
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Haven't looked back

Switched to Walgreens last week. Great app, great stores, coincidentally there is a pharmacy much closer to me than what I thought had been the closest, Rite Aid.
 

JayLenochiniMac

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Another issue has been CurrentC's ability to link to a customer's bank account, allowing merchants to avoid paying costly credit card fees, a feature Rankin says is actually based on customer preference. 75 percent of all purchases made at the 50 MCX merchants (including Walmart, Target, Lowe's, and more) are done with cash, debit cards, and gift cards, rather than with Visa, MasterCard, and American Express credit cards.

If the claimed 75% of all purchases made at 50 MCX merchants are done with cash, debit cards and gift cards, that's not the same as linking to a customer's bank account so not really based on customer preference.
 

laurim

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Most customers don't use major credit cards?

What is he on drugs or is lying his second nature.

If most people don't use major credit cards, how did so many people sign up to use Apple Pay the first week?

I wouldn't be surprised if most Walmart shoppers didn't use credit cards but Lowes and even Target, I'm skeptical.
 

samcraig

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Jun 22, 2009
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The bottom line is they are restricting choice. Because they DEMAND that a store use them and no one else would cause me not to use them. If their product was any good, they wouldn't have to try so hard to convince us.

Most of us don't use credit cards? What planet are they from?

Since they have already been hacked even before they have gone live, why would anyone trust them? Not me.

PLUS there is ZERO fraud protection. If there is an issue, I have to sort it out myself? No way!

I wouldn't be surprised if most Walmart shoppers didn't use credit cards but Lowes and even Target, I'm skeptical.

I would imagine Target's debit and store cc card play into this stat.
 

laurim

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Sep 19, 2003
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Most customers don't use major credit cards?

What is he on drugs or is lying his second nature?

If most people don't use major credit cards, how did so many people sign up to use Apple Pay the first week?

He didn't say most people in general, he said most people who shop at their member stores. Different. But, I'm still a little skeptical.
 

milo

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So most customers don't have major credit cards...yet a significant number of people who don't have a credit card are going to have a smartphone? That fails the sniff test.
 

JayLenochiniMac

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Most customers don't use major credit cards?

What is he on drugs or is lying his second nature?

If most people don't use major credit cards, how did so many people sign up to use Apple Pay the first week?

Well, you can use debit cards with Apple Pay and he specifically said "credit cards." Not the safest method but I do see a lot of people using VISA/MasterCard debit cards rather than credit cards for whatever reason.
 

flur

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Most customers don't use major credit cards?

What is he on drugs or is lying his second nature?

If most people don't use major credit cards, how did so many people sign up to use Apple Pay the first week?

The selection the population that signed up for Apple Pay and the selection of the population that regularly shops are Walmart have very little overlap.
 

Derekeys

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Sep 17, 2012
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Contradiction

Listen guys it's very simple:

1. Download the app
2. Add your checking account number
3. Verify with your bank
4. Everything gets messed up and you need customer service
5. Everything gets fixed the following week.
6. Go back to the store and try again
7. Tell the cashier you want to use "CurrentC"
8. Cashier gets confused because they think you're an idiot, of course the customer is going to use currency...
9. Explain to the cashier that no, "CurrentC" is a new app where you need to have her use that scanner from 1991 to scan your phone from 2014 to reach into your bank account and grab your money.
10. Then you can walk away happy that CVS not only knows you just bought tampons for your wife, but where you bought it, and what your heart rate was when you bought it.


Cmon guys, it's frictionless...
 

jdogg836

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Jul 28, 2010
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Still not interested. Convoluted, requires direct linking to a bank account which is scary, and overall not an elegant solution. NFC payments are the future. Apple Pay and Google Wallet are the correct solution.
 

Jsameds

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That's not even the biggest problem with the system. The long winded, multi-stepped nature of the purchase is the issue.
 
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