Motorola

MacRumors · Feb 10, 2003, 11:29 AM

Motorola announced the MPC7457 and MPC7447 today:

Quote:

The newest and fastest members of the Motorola, Inc. (NYSE:MOT) G4 family of PowerPC® processors, the MPC7457 and MPC7447, are now available. The devices run at speeds up to 1.3 GHz, making them the highest performing G4 host processors available for embedded applications.

The MPC7457 and MPC7447 can perform at 1 GHz while consuming less than 10 Watts, making them ideal for high-performance, power dissipation-sensitive applications such as network control plane processing.

howard · 11:36 AM

apple...if your gonna do it, only do it to bridge the gap between now and the 970 otherwise SCREW MOTO!

wait...nevermind there not gonna be available until 4th quarter...and only in 1ghz??? what the!!...thats so sad

look: production expected to commence in Q4 2003. Suggested retail pricing for the MPC7457 at 1 GHz is expected to be $189 (USD) in quantities of 10,000.

yay first post!!

eric_n_dfw · Feb 10, 2003, 11:34 AM

Weren't these supposed to be the first ones to support DDR on the FSB?

(I guess not)

(BTW: The "1st post" comments were cute the 1st 100000000 times

)

rice_web · Feb 10, 2003, 11:35 AM

Hmmm... no 4MB L3 cache? That had been expected for some time. Can anyone think of any reasons for the lack of even the support of a 4MB L3 cache?

dabirdwell · Feb 10, 2003, 11:37 AM

whoa

eric_n_dfw · 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rice_web
Hmmm... no 4MB L3 cache? That had been expected for some time. Can anyone think of any reasons for the lack of even the support of a 4MB L3 cache?

I would guess that Moto doesn't see a demand for that in the embedded application market. (I also have absolutely no knowledge about that market

)

[edit] ... It sure seems like they could care less about the desktop market. [/edit]

dabirdwell · Feb 10, 2003, 11:40 AM

how much power do the 7455s use?

Dont Hurt Me · Feb 10, 2003, 11:44 AM

I notice this press release said these were the newest and fastest G4's yet they only go 1.3 ghz. dont we have a powermac at 1.42ghz so how could these be the fastest?the article also stated that they scaled up to 1.3. If this is so then i dont seeing this as the chip to move the powermacs into the future. Anyone say 970!

pilotgi · Feb 10, 2003, 11:48 AM

I didn't see any mention about the bus speeds.

They probably wanted to downplay that little tidbit of information.

At least Moto's using 130 nm and SOI.

lordsinforge · Feb 10, 2003, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I notice this press release said these were the newest and fastest G4's yet they only go 1.3 ghz. dont we have a powermac at 1.42ghz so how could these be the fastest?the article also stated that they scaled up to 1.3. If this is so then i dont seeing this as the chip to move the powermacs into the future. Anyone say 970!

I would hazard a guess that these particular chips will only be for imbeded applications, not for computers.

wheezl · Feb 10, 2003, 11:54 AM

I am so whelmed I could just plode.

eric_n_dfw · 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lordsinforge

I would hazard a guess that these particular chips will only be for imbeded applications, not for computers.

Guessing that the new XServe is using these, I guess it's an imbeded application.

It makes sense to use them due to the lower heat.

biscuit · 12:12 PM

Hmmm, this is strange.

Maybe the Xserves are using these things, or maybe they're just 7455s clocked to 1.33 for heat dissipation reasons. Either way, they certainly aren't the fastest G4s, unless Apple really does overclock the chips in the PowerMac...

biscuit

Dont Hurt Me · Feb 10, 2003, 12:12 PM

I dont know for sure but i would even doubt these are in the xserve,hate to bring this up again but maybe apple is running the you know what out of 1 giger g4s so they can sell em as 1.42. didnt i read that some people had them as high as 1.5 but then started to have issues. This really makes me think that moto isnt going anywhere when it comes to the mac and that perhaps the 970 is coming our way. The article didnt say squat about desktops.And if these will go up to 1.3 then the 1.33 in xserve may be the 7455 still?

chubakka · Feb 10, 2003, 12:16 PM

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/delldude1.html

maybe people will lay off Ellen Feiss now...

GPTurismo · Feb 10, 2003, 12:25 PM

BTW this is for embedded applications (application is my word for the day

) not pc's

NanoDoc · Feb 10, 2003, 12:25 PM

I believe these are the 7455's in the Xserve. They clearly state that the L2 cache is at 256KB and not the 512KB cache that these new chips have. Darn.

yzedf · Feb 10, 2003, 12:34 PM

could this be the next gen iBook chip?

or maybe for a tablet style device?

sounds similar to the Transmeta Crusoe series chips to me...

Dont Hurt Me · Feb 10, 2003, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yzedf
could this be the next gen iBook chip?

or maybe for a tablet style device?

sounds similar to the Transmeta Crusoe series chips to me...

Maybe so but also notice mass production is not supposed to start untill 4th qtr?Is apple going to leave everything like it is for a year? I hope not and doubt it.

ddtlm · Feb 10, 2003, 12:47 PM

eric_n_dfw:

Quote:

Weren't these supposed to be the first ones to support DDR on the FSB?

(I guess not)

How did you continue to believe this for so long? Many people such as myself have shot down this silly idea time and time again on these very forums.

Dont Hurt Me:

To quote the press release:

Quote:

AUSTIN, Texas - February 10, 2003 - The newest and fastest members of the Motorola, Inc. (NYSE:MOT) G4 family of PowerPC® processors, the MPC7457 and MPC7447, are now available. The devices run at speeds up to 1.3 GHz, making them the highest performing G4 host processors available for embedded applications.

So where did you get 4th quarter from?

MacCoaster · Feb 10, 2003, 12:47 PM

If you guys didn't notice...

1 GHz at 10 W is simply amazing.

MacCoaster · Feb 10, 2003, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ddtlm
So where did you get 4th quarter from?

Requoting the article.

Read much further and you'll get:

Quote:

Pricing and Availability
Alpha samples of the MPC7457 and MPC7447 PowerPC processors are available today to selected customers. General market sampling is planned for March, with production expected to commence in Q4 2003. Suggested retail pricing for the MPC7457 at 1 GHz is expected to be $189 (USD) in quantities of 10,000.

FlamDrag · Feb 10, 2003, 12:52 PM

how much power do the current PowerBook 1Ghz processors use?

rugby · Feb 10, 2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MacCoaster
If you guys didn't notice...

1 GHz at 10 W is simply amazing.

Great, now throw about 8 of them into a tower and then call me.

ddtlm · Feb 10, 2003, 12:58 PM

MacCoaster:

Quote:

Requoting the article.

Dang, I even searched for "quarter". Guess I should have looked for "Q4" too.

Anyway I don't think 10W at 1.0ghz is surprising, seems like exactly what a simple chip like a G4 should be doing. What is suprising is how much power the 7455 eats while getting to 1.42ghz. I've never seen a real number published, but people who are knowledable about these things are saying 50W-60W.

Feb 10, 2003, 11:30 AM	#2
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Feb 10, 2003, 11:35 AM	#4
rice_web macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minot, North Dakota	Hmmm... no 4MB L3 cache? That had been expected for some time. Can anyone think of any reasons for the lack of even the support of a 4MB L3 cache? __________________ I write software.

Feb 10, 2003, 11:48 AM	#9
pilotgi macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2002	I didn't see any mention about the bus speeds. They probably wanted to downplay that little tidbit of information. At least Moto's using 130 nm and SOI. __________________ "It's my life and I'll do what I want. It's my mind and I'll think what I want." <Eric Burdon>

Feb 10, 2003, 11:54 AM	#11
wheezl macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA	I am so whelmed I could just plode. __________________ -- FreeBSD, NetBSD, Mac OS X

Feb 10, 2003, 12:02 PM	#13
biscuit macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London, UK	Hmmm, this is strange. Maybe the Xserves are using these things, or maybe they're just 7455s clocked to 1.33 for heat dissipation reasons. Either way, they certainly aren't the fastest G4s, unless Apple really does overclock the chips in the PowerMac... biscuit Last edited by biscuit : Feb 10, 2003 at 12:12 PM.

Feb 10, 2003, 11:34 AM	#3
eric_n_dfw macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: DFW, TX, USA	Weren't these supposed to be the first ones to support DDR on the FSB? (I guess not) (BTW: The "1st post" comments were cute the 1st 100000000 times )

Feb 10, 2003, 11:37 AM	#5
dabirdwell macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oklahoma	whoa

Feb 10, 2003, 11:40 AM	#7
dabirdwell macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oklahoma	how much power do the 7455s use?

Feb 10, 2003, 11:44 AM	#8
Dont Hurt Me macrumors 601 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Yahooville S.C.	I notice this press release said these were the newest and fastest G4's yet they only go 1.3 ghz. dont we have a powermac at 1.42ghz so how could these be the fastest?the article also stated that they scaled up to 1.3. If this is so then i dont seeing this as the chip to move the powermacs into the future. Anyone say 970!

Feb 10, 2003, 12:12 PM	#14
Dont Hurt Me macrumors 601 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Yahooville S.C.	I dont know for sure but i would even doubt these are in the xserve,hate to bring this up again but maybe apple is running the you know what out of 1 giger g4s so they can sell em as 1.42. didnt i read that some people had them as high as 1.5 but then started to have issues. This really makes me think that moto isnt going anywhere when it comes to the mac and that perhaps the 970 is coming our way. The article didnt say squat about desktops.And if these will go up to 1.3 then the 1.33 in xserve may be the 7455 still?

Feb 10, 2003, 12:16 PM	#15
chubakka macrumors regular Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NYC	waaaaay OT! but worth it... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/delldude1.html maybe people will lay off Ellen Feiss now...

Feb 10, 2003, 12:25 PM	#16
GPTurismo macrumors 6502 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Montgomery, AL USA	BTW this is for embedded applications (application is my word for the day ) not pc's

Feb 10, 2003, 12:25 PM	#17
NanoDoc macrumors newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hmmm...	Probably 7455 I believe these are the 7455's in the Xserve. They clearly state that the L2 cache is at 256KB and not the 512KB cache that these new chips have. Darn. __________________ I think therefore I was.

Feb 10, 2003, 12:34 PM	#18
yzedf Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Connecticut	could this be the next gen iBook chip? or maybe for a tablet style device? sounds similar to the Transmeta Crusoe series chips to me...

Feb 10, 2003, 12:47 PM	#21
MacCoaster macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Washington, DC / Rochester, NY / Lexington, NC	If you guys didn't notice... 1 GHz at 10 W is simply amazing. __________________ The Mac Coaster Quad Core Q6600 PC, 23" Apple Cinema HD LCD, White MacBook C2D 2.16 GHz, Athlon64 PC, AthlonXP PC, iPod photo 60 GB

Feb 10, 2003, 12:52 PM	#23
FlamDrag macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Western Hemisphere	how much power do the current PowerBook 1Ghz processors use?

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