Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Archive > Archives of Old Posts > MacRumors News Discussion (archive)

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old May 24, 2006, 11:59 AM   #1
MacRumors
macrumors bot
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Pre-Release PowerMac/XServe Replacement CPU Benchmarks?

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif

ArsTechnica provides a summary of some recent pre-release benchmarks of Intel's upcoming Woodcrest chip, and reports that gains of 15-40% are typical over Intel's latest Xeon-class chip (code-named Dempsey).

Woodcrest represents the top of Intel's upcoming Core 2 lineup and is targeted at "server and workstation" markets. Most speculation has centered around Apple using Intel's Conroe Core 2 "desktop" chip, but a recent page 2 rumor indicated that Woodcrest could also be in consideration. Previously Apple compared its top-of-the-line PowerMacs to Xeon-class machines.

Anandtech recently provided a sneak peek at preliminary benchmarks between Intel's Conroe compared to an overclocked AMD Athlon X2. Conroe consistently beat the AMD system, however the systems were set up by Intel. While the reviewer did not see anything fishy on the surface, the results should be taken with a grain of salt.

Currently, Woodcrest is expected next month with Conroe expected to arrive in July 2006.

Last edited by Doctor Q; May 24, 2006 at 01:03 PM.
MacRumors is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:01 PM   #2
combatcolin
macrumors 68020
 
combatcolin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Northants, UK
Anyone else geting that Monty Python "GET ON WITH IT" feeling?

__________________
Wanting a new ipod
combatcolin is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:01 PM   #3
camomac
macrumors 6502a
 
camomac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Left Coast
bring it on... this could be really exciting.. mmm new powermacs?
__________________
Bluray? What's that?
camomac is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:04 PM   #4
silvergunuk
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: England
Send a message via Yahoo to silvergunuk
Looks Like The Mac Pro's Could Be Here Within A Month. Lovely!
__________________
Come On Baby Light My Firewire
silvergunuk is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:11 PM   #5
longofest
Editor emeritus
 
longofest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Falls Church, VA
Send a message via AIM to longofest
Quote:
Originally Posted by silvergunuk
Looks Like The Mac Pro's Could Be Here Within A Month. Lovely!
Doubtful. The processors will be available, but with Creative Suite still not native, QuarkXPress 7 not being Dual Binary until later this summer, and other pro apps being in a similar quandry, I think WWDC is still a good bet for replacement Powermacs.

XServe, on the other hand, is a totally different story. Just look at how long it has gone untouched. We very well could see an XServe refresh in the next month or two.
longofest is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:15 PM   #6
sluthy
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Bundaberg, Qld. Australia
Hmm, what do you reckon?

Merom - Mac mini, iMac
Conroe - Powermac (or simply Mac now?)
Woodcrest - xServe

or possibly:

Merom - Mac mini
Conroe - iMac
Woodcrest - PowerMac, xServe

or even forgo Conroe altogether:

Merom - Mac mini, iMac
Woodcrest - PowerMac, xServe

or maybe...

Merom - Mac mini, iMac
Conroe - 'Mac'?
Woodcrest - PowerMac, xServe

Maybe the 'PowerMac' will move entirely into the Woodcrest server market (to the point where it and the xServe are only a form-factor apart) leaving room for a new headless Conroe 'Mac', for creative/business 'prosumer' types who don't require server power but need more expandability and choice than an iMac? Or is that lineup too crowded and overlapped?

EDIT: Forgive me, it's 3.15AM and I'm wired doing an assembly language assignment, so if I'm rambling...
__________________
Sluthy.
"Today a young man on acid realised that all matter is merely energy condensed into a smaller vibration, and that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
sluthy is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:19 PM   #7
bigbossbmb
macrumors 68000
 
bigbossbmb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pasadena/Hollywood
Send a message via AIM to bigbossbmb
Quote:
Originally Posted by longofest
Doubtful. The processors will be available, but with Creative Suite still not native, QuarkXPress 7 not being Dual Binary until later this summer, and other pro apps being in a similar quandry, I think WWDC is still a good bet for replacement Powermacs.

XServe, on the other hand, is a totally different story. Just look at how long it has gone untouched. We very well could see an XServe refresh in the next month or two.
XServe, definitely as soon as the chips are available... But I think that Apple will release their pro desktop at this time too. There are tons of film and video people itching for these machines. Also CS might run under rosetta fairly well with these chips' speed.
__________________
"Terrible what passes for a ninja these days..."
8-core MP 2.8ghz 16GB RAM, ATi 5770, 2.25TB RAID5 Caldigit Card, 15" Unibody MBP, 2.4ghz Mini with 4TB drobo (for the TV)
bigbossbmb is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:19 PM   #8
vmardian
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by longofest
Doubtful. The processors will be available, but with Creative Suite still not native, QuarkXPress 7 not being Dual Binary until later this summer, and other pro apps being in a similar quandry, I think WWDC is still a good bet for replacement Powermacs.

XServe, on the other hand, is a totally different story. Just look at how long it has gone untouched. We very well could see an XServe refresh in the next month or two.
Almost every single Apple Pro App is universal. Lightroom is also universal.
vmardian is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:32 PM   #9
ImAlwaysRight
macrumors 6502a
 
ImAlwaysRight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Haven't seen too many Power Mac rumors. I, for one, would think Apple would use the new chips as an opportunity to give the Power Mac a redesign. Maybe not too drastic, but along the lines of the iBook --> MacBook redesign. At least this time it looks like Apple could announce the new Power Macs in the summer and have them shipping almost immediately. At least not a late September/early Oct. release that happened when the G5 Power Macs came out, which was a delay of 2-3 months.
ImAlwaysRight is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:36 PM   #10
zwilliams07
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Detroit, MI
I hope this does bode for a quicker release of a Mac Pro (PowerMac). Its the only reason I'm holding off on making an Intel Mac purchase.

Last time I bought a Mac was an iBook G3/700 back in Summer of 2002.

Gawd I need a new machine.

I think it would be more reasonable for Apple to have it set up as

Merom - MacBook, MacMini, MacBook Pro
Conroe - iMac, (maybe upper MacBook Pro)
Woodcrest - MacPro, Xserve

Remember the G5 was a Server class chip, and it is in both PowerMacs and Xserves.
__________________
POWERED BY:
2011 MacBook Pro : 4x2.2GHz, 8GB, 750GB, Intel 3000 & AMD 6750M.
2006 Mac Pro : 4x2.66GHz, 8GB, 8TB, HD4870.
Custom PC : 4x3.0GHz C2Q, 780i Mobo, 4GB, 500GB, and eVGA GTX280 (OC'd 10%).
zwilliams07 is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:40 PM   #11
longofest
Editor emeritus
 
longofest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Falls Church, VA
Send a message via AIM to longofest
Quote:
Originally Posted by vmardian
Almost every single Apple Pro App is universal. Lightroom is also universal.
Not all of the creative world runs on Apple's software solutions.


As for what I personally see future lineups as, I think Conroe is actually going to end up in the iMac. So here is what you'd see:

Merom: Macbook/Macbook pro (once they transition from Yonah)
Conroe: Mac Mini and iMac... Mac Mini might end up in Merom line...
Woodcrest: Mac Pro and XServe

The only reason I think you are seeing the iMac and Mac Mini using Yonah is because Apple wanted to transition those first, and Yonah was the first Core-architecture based chip out. Yonah, however, is meant for laptops, so I think once Apple has a desktop chip available to it (especially one that is designed to allow for thin-form factor like Conroe), they will use it.
longofest is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:49 PM   #12
mikemodena
macrumors 6502a
 
mikemodena's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Connecticut
Send a message via AIM to mikemodena
Can't wait to make my intel transition to a Mac Pro from my current PowerMac. I'm currently selling my iBook now to get a MacBook.
mikemodena is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 12:59 PM   #13
jiggie2g
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Brooklyn,NY
Wake Up

Woodcrest is not nor will it ever see daylight in a power mac/Mac Pro. Conroe will do just fine and from most benchmarks it out performs the Athlon X2 by atleast 20% clock 4 clock. Hate to break It to you but the dual socket days are over for Desktop macs. You really think apple is gonna put is gonna put 2 $80 cpu's in a prosumer machine....not. maybe in an Xserve but not a mac pro. here's how it will break down. iMac will use Merom as it is already pin compatible with the current Core duo mobile chips. no need to change the motherboard.

MacMini / Core Duo 1.86-2.0 2MB L2

Macbook / Core Duo 2.16-2.33 2MB L2

iMac / Core 2 Duo(merom) 2.16-2.33 4MB L2

Macbook Pro / Core 2 Duo(merom) 2.1-2.33 4MB L2

Mac Pro / Core 2 Duo(Conroe) 2.4-2.67 and 2.93 XE 4MB L2

Incase you are wondering why I placed the Macbook and Macbook Pro at the same speed , please note that Core 2 has an advantage of 20% over Core 1 clock 4 clock not to mention the advantage of having double the L2 cache. The core 1 still is slated to clock up to 2.33 ghz i see the chip becoming thier new value chip(think Celeron but better) for lower end machines.
__________________
BattleStar Ubuntu
Intel E4500@3.0ghz / G.Skill 4GB DDR2 800 / Gigabyte P35-DS3P / Radeon HD3850 / 320+250GB SATA 2 HD /
jiggie2g is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:01 PM   #14
macgeek2005
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Does this mean we might get new PowerMacs before WWDC?
macgeek2005 is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:02 PM   #15
Glen Quagmire
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: UK
Mac Mini: Merom
MacBook: Merom
MacBook Pro: Merom
iMac: Merom, or Conroe if it runs cool enough.
Mac Pro: Conroe (single CPU) for a low-end model, Woodcrest for the high-end (dual CPU) ones.
XServe: Woodcrest.

I'll take a Woodcrest-powered Mac Pro, please, and bid a fond farewell to my Mac Mini and a not quite-so-fond farewell to my trusty four year old Xeon-powered PC.
Glen Quagmire is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:02 PM   #16
NVRsayNVR
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by combatcolin
Anyone else geting that Monty Python "GET ON WITH IT" feeling?

YEAH! Let's get it on already! Boost that stock up so I can cash in and get some new gear! Talk is cheap... Announcement the damn thing!

"Think Alike... BE Different!"
__________________
never say never
NVRsayNVR is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:04 PM   #17
JurgenWigg
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Delaware
Quote:
Originally Posted by sluthy
Hmm, what do you reckon?

Merom - Mac mini, iMac
Conroe - Powermac (or simply Mac now?)
Woodcrest - xServe

Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't Merom the notebook/portable chip, whereas Conroe is the desktop chip? Why would they put Merom in an iMac??
JurgenWigg is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:05 PM   #18
macgeek2005
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by JurgenWigg
Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't Merom the notebook/portable chip, whereas Conroe is the desktop chip? Why would they put Merom in an iMac??
Because the iMac is a desktop.
macgeek2005 is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:09 PM   #19
jiggie2g
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Brooklyn,NY
Quote:
Originally Posted by JurgenWigg
Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't Merom the notebook/portable chip, whereas Conroe is the desktop chip? Why would they put Merom in an iMac??

Because the iMac already contains a notebook cpu in Yonah , has a small enclosure which requires lower thermal output and merom is pin compatible with Yonah so this is just a more logical step, for apple to put in a conroe it would require a redesign of the motherboard and cooling with merom it's just a chip swap.
__________________
BattleStar Ubuntu
Intel E4500@3.0ghz / G.Skill 4GB DDR2 800 / Gigabyte P35-DS3P / Radeon HD3850 / 320+250GB SATA 2 HD /
jiggie2g is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:10 PM   #20
Glen Quagmire
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: UK
Quote:
Originally Posted by jiggie2g
Woodcrest is not nor will it ever see daylight in a power mac/Mac Pro. Conroe will do just fine and from most benchmarks it out performs the Athlon X2 by atleast 20% clock 4 clock. Hate to break It to you but the dual socket days are over for Desktop macs. You really think apple is gonna put is gonna put 2 $80 cpu's in a prosumer machine....not. maybe in an Xserve but not a mac pro. here's how it will break down. iMac will use Merom as it is already pin compatible with the current Core duo mobile chips. no need to change the motherboard.
Why won't Woodcrest feature in an Intel-powered Mac Pro? If they use Conroe, Apple will be going from a dual CPU, dual core workstation to a single CPU, dual core computer. Hardly an impressive comparison: "Yes, it's brand new but it's got half as many CPUs and cores as the G5 one, but they're quite quick, so you'll have to put up with it." Conroe would be a step backwards for the high-end Mac Pro. It would work fine as a low cost model, but for rendering tasks and the like, dual CPUs are a godsend.

What are these mythical $80 CPUs you talk of? Celerons? If you mean Conroe, Conroe is single CPU only (successor to the present Pentium 4). If you want duality of processors, you need Woodcrest.

The top of the range G5 costs $3299, if memory serves. The prices of the Intel machines have been the same or slightly more than the Power PC ones. Are Apple really going to charge $3299 for a computer with one lonely Conroe in it?
Glen Quagmire is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:11 PM   #21
milo
macrumors 603
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by JurgenWigg
Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't Merom the notebook/portable chip, whereas Conroe is the desktop chip? Why would they put Merom in an iMac??
The same reasons they put yonah (a laptop chip) in the iMac. Cooling, power consumption, cost and availability.
milo is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:20 PM   #22
milatchi
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: San Francisco, CA
Send a message via MSN to milatchi
Glad to see we're moving forward with the intel transition.
__________________
"Waffle King, it's cheaper than the Huddle House and cleaner than the Huddle Whore." --milatchi
milatchi is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:31 PM   #23
ZnU
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: May 2006
Woodcrest is not nor will it ever see daylight in a power mac/Mac Pro. Conroe will do just fine and from most benchmarks it out performs the Athlon X2 by atleast 20% clock 4 clock. Hate to break It to you but the dual socket days are over for Desktop macs. You really think apple is gonna put is gonna put 2 $80 cpu's in a prosumer machine....not.
This is complete nonsense. Conroe is the Pentium 4 replacement. Woodcrest is the Xeon replacement. Apple's towers start at $2000. Go look at $2000 machines from other x86 vendors like Dell or HP, and see whether they have Xeon or Pentium chips in them.

Anyway, Woodcrest doesn't start at $800. Yes, the most expensive (3 GHz) chip will be $850, but as the pricelist on this page shows, Woodcrest will start all the way down at 1.6 GHz, for $230, which is cheaper than all but one of the Conroe chip models! Woodcrest will allow Apple to expand the towers upwards in the market if they want to, but Apple can also use the chip without any problems at their current price points.

I'm also not sure why you describe the towers as 'prosumer'. Five years ago, maybe that was the case, but these days, particularly in the x86 world where Apple now lives, machines in that price range are not really consumer machines. (Except, possibly, when they're high-end gaming machines, but that's not going to be the case for Apple's towers, just because of the OS X game availability situation.)

Conroe is going to end up in $800 Dell specials. The idea that Apple will be using it in $3300 towers is ludicrous.
ZnU is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:32 PM   #24
starnox
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
I think they will use woodcrest in Mac Pro, after all the fuss Apple has been making about the Core Duo having two cores, I don't think they could turn around and stick a single processor in their top model machine. Like something said they put a G5 in the PowerMac and Xserve, so why not put a woodcrest in a Mac Pro and Xserve (or maybe MacServe )
starnox is offline   0
Old May 24, 2006, 01:36 PM   #25
Rocketman
macrumors 603
 
Rocketman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Claremont, CA
Quote:
Originally Posted by longofest
XServe, on the other hand, is a totally different story. Just look at how long it has gone untouched. We very well could see an XServe refresh in the next month or two.
I am wondering what the real world performance increase will be from now to that? Perhaps over 2x in real world performance if all the rumors and tech reports are near accurate.

Will we see YA Apple branded attempt at the supercomputer prize?

I want to see Apple market 4U desktop/floortop systems to uber gamers

Rocketman
Rocketman is offline   0


 
MacRumors Forums > Archive > Archives of Old Posts > MacRumors News Discussion (archive)

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Reload this Page Fanspeed/CPU Temp Benchmarks help Nick Jinks MacBook Pro 2 Mar 12, 2014 09:07 AM
Fanspeed/CPU Temp Benchmarks help Nick Jinks MacBook Pro 0 Mar 7, 2014 07:54 AM
How are benchmarks for 2013 27" imac, cpu and gpu wise? Zellio iMac 8 Oct 24, 2013 09:29 PM
Ridiculous iPhone 5 CPU benchmarks (Linpack) DodgeV83 iPhone 3 Sep 22, 2012 11:23 AM
How do you identify Dual-CPU PowerMac G4's from Single-CPU models? LOLZpersonok PowerPC Macs 12 Aug 15, 2012 05:32 AM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:18 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC