Boot OS 9 on new PowerMacs?

MacRumors · Feb 22, 2003, 08:23 PM

MacBidouille posts instructions on how to boot OS 9 on the current PowerMacs.

MacNews.net.tc provides english translation:

Quote:

- Install Tinkertool
- Make all folders visible
- Relaunch the Finder
- Insert the Restore CD 1 and click on '.images'
- Double-click on OS9General.dmg
- Copy the System Folder to your harddrive
- Reboot.

Note: this is untested as far as I am aware. Use at your own risk, but post any positive or negative results.

RBMaraman · 09:31 PM

hmmm...I'm willing to bet that this *might* void your warranty

. But, I'm interested in hearing people's results.

*NOTE* - This post is only a joke. DO NOT take it seriously. There is no evidence this will void your warranty. But, some people don't see the humor.

edesignuk · 08:31 PM

Interesting...anyone gonna give it a shot?

Billicus · Feb 22, 2003, 08:30 PM

It'll make somebody happy, but If Apple says they shouldn't do it, then I'd be a little bit leary of rebooting into 9 after completing the process. If you couldn't restart using the "x" on the keyboard, (assuming the rom wouldn't need that, and apple dropped it) and if 9 couldn't restart, how would you get back to ten? The Jaguar Cd?

Freg3000 · Feb 22, 2003, 09:06 PM

That was pretty quick actually. I thought it might have taken longer to figure out how to do this. It also seems pretty easy (for what it is actually doing). I might give it a go, but I don't have a new Powermac.

brossow · Feb 22, 2003, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RBMaraman
hmmm...I'm willing to bet that this *might* void your warranty. But, I'm interested in hearing people's results.

The hell you say? Installing software is going to void your warranty? Uh, yeah. Right.

All sarcasm aside, let me make one thing perfectly clear: installing software, unsupported or otherwise, WILL NOT VOID YOUR HARDWARE WARRANTY. (Screwing with the firmware may be another story, but that's not what we're talking about here.)

bennetsaysargh · Feb 22, 2003, 09:15 PM

i would try it, but i don't have a new powermac.
anyone wanna buy one for me?
lol:-)
:-)
:-)

md123 · Feb 22, 2003, 09:23 PM

How could it void your warranty? This is not a firmware change.

Nermal · Feb 22, 2003, 09:23 PM

I haven't tried it, but I think the "Install Tinkertool/Make all folders visible" steps are unnecessary. Just choose "Go to Folder" from the Go menu and type /Volumes/Restore/.images into the box (substitute the restore CD's volume name for "Restore").

I don't see this as voiding the warranty. In the worst-case situation, just reinstall Jaguar.

iJon · Feb 22, 2003, 09:51 PM

ok boys, ill be the guinnea pig. ill try it on my firewire hard drive first, if that doesnt work ill try it on my main system. it will be later tonight but i will confirm for you guys. if it works ill try it on my 12 inch powerbook.

iJon

iJon · Feb 22, 2003, 09:53 PM

but on a second note, i dont see why this would work. new macs already have system 9 on there, my new powermac does and my new powerbook does. so what would copying a dupe of the system help you any. what the hell though, ill try it. but if you ask me, this doesnt make to much sense.

iJon

rjrufo · Feb 22, 2003, 09:59 PM

Ok, I'm going to add my $0.02 worth to this. Why would someone want to boot into OS-9 if they went out and bought a new computer? I would think that those who still use OS-9 wouldn't buy anything new, until the software that they need is ported to OS-X.
I use OS-X exclusively, I've only started Classic a few times. I may be a new Mac user, but my PowerBook came with OS-9 and used that as my primary computer that way for almost a year before I decided to move to OS-X - at that time it was at version 10.1.3. I now use 10.2, and have no software that uses OS-9, because I upgraded everything that I use at the same time.
Like I said, this is just my $0.02, so if you feel the need, go ahead and start the flames.

Billicus · Feb 22, 2003, 10:03 PM

If the OS 9 on the Cd doesn't have drivers to run on the new hardware, then how is there any chance that it'll work?

jholzner · Feb 22, 2003, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Billicus
It'll make somebody happy, but If Apple says they shouldn't do it, then I'd be a little bit leary of rebooting into 9 after completing the process. If you couldn't restart using the "x" on the keyboard, (assuming the rom wouldn't need that, and apple dropped it) and if 9 couldn't restart, how would you get back to ten? The Jaguar Cd?

If that were to happen I'm pretty sure you could just manually restart the computer and hold down the "option" key. This should bring up a menu that shows what available OS's to boot into...you could just select X and be back up and running.

timbloom · Feb 22, 2003, 10:10 PM

if this works, it might also be reasonable that a non-oem os 9 might work, But I assume that it is a firmware option that disables booting OS 9, not the install. So it would be a bad idea for it to litteraly downgrade your firmware. who knows though, from what I have been told, the reason they need to drop OS 9 support, is because the OS is so old that Apple has to cripple the hardware for the os to work.

Then again, I am no expert.... I would be curious to hear the long-term results.

IMHO, you are wasting your money on a new machine if you plan to use 9 on it, since it can't take full advantage of it.

Mal · Feb 22, 2003, 10:13 PM

Two things here.

Apple trimmed the boot ROM, so no matter what you do short of a logic board swap, or at least switching the ROM (which is next to impossible), nothing is going to allow the new machines to boot into OS 9. The logic board does not support it.

On the subject of switching back, holding down the shift key does not tell you what OS's you have installed on the drive. It only shows the currently selected OS for each drive or partition you have on your system.

JW

Bear · Feb 22, 2003, 10:16 PM

If this works, at the very least you probably won't have access to the firewire 800 port (slight chance it'll work like a firewire 400 port) and you won't have drivers for Airport Extreme.

And the SuperDrive might not be recognized as an Apple SuperDrive under OS 9 since it's a new vendor.

beatle888 · 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Macrumors
Note: this is untested as far as I am aware. Use at your own risk, but post any positive or negative results.

lol

yea, keep us posted. sorry, i just thought
it was funny about the request for results

i bet it'll be fine, sorta cool too.

bikertwin · Feb 22, 2003, 11:03 PM

Give it up, folks! OS 9 is dead.

Mac OS is dead! Long live Mac OS!

P-Worm · Feb 23, 2003, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bikertwin

Mac OS is dead! Long live Mac OS!

Wait, what?

P-Worm

iJon · Feb 23, 2003, 12:20 AM

ok i tried it. it didnt work. whoever thought of this was an idiot. all new macs come with os 9 preinstalled, dont why he thought throwing another copy on there would work. its the hardware boys, apple isnt that dumb. who cares anyways, os 9 sucked, just as bad as win 98.

iJon

weev · Feb 23, 2003, 12:28 AM

Leave OS9 alone - it's a great OS. All you people see something new and all of a sudden the current is old and decrepid.

I am going to love 9.2 until the very day, and not a moment earlier, that I can afford a fast OS X machine

iJon · Feb 23, 2003, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by weev
Leave OS9 alone - it's a great OS. All you people see something new and all of a sudden the current is old and decrepid.

I am going to love 9.2 until the very day, and not a moment earlier, that I can afford a fast OS X machine

may be fast, but in my opinion thats all it was good for. ive never had so many force quits, lock ups, bomb errors, and all that stuff in my life. thats probably why i refuse to use anything other than os x. but hey, if its working for you than thats fantastic, i hope you can get a new mac soon and enjoy the wonders of x.

iJon

Lupin Addams · Feb 23, 2003, 12:33 AM

Why would someone want to boot into OS-9 if they went out and bought a new computer? [/b][/quote]

Here's one reason to boot in 9...

There's a long-standing glitch Apple have not fixed, where FTP and some other net services will not function in OS X through a proxy server (there's a lot of threads on this on the Apple discussions group), but *will* function from a 9 boot... the main reason (other than cost!!) that I won't be updating my battered old TiBook 550 anytime soon.

It would be nice if Apple had checked for sort of thing before consigning 9 to the scrapheap...

So if anyone does come up with a working 9 boot, some of us will want it.

shadowfax · Feb 23, 2003, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lupin Addams
Why would someone want to boot into OS-9 if they went out and bought a new computer?
Here's one reason to boot in 9...

There's a long-standing glitch Apple have not fixed, where FTP and some other net services will not function in OS X through a proxy server (there's a lot of threads on this on the Apple discussions group), but *will* function from a 9 boot... the main reason (other than cost!!) that I won't be updating my battered old TiBook 550 anytime soon.

It would be nice if Apple had checked for sort of thing before consigning 9 to the scrapheap...

So if anyone does come up with a working 9 boot, some of us will want it.

15" TiBooks still boot 9

Feb 22, 2003, 08:26 PM	#2
RBMaraman macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Albany, IN	hmmm...I'm willing to bet that this might void your warranty . But, I'm interested in hearing people's results. NOTE - This post is only a joke. DO NOT take it seriously. There is no evidence this will void your warranty. But, some people don't see the humor. Last edited by RBMaraman : Feb 22, 2003 at 09:31 PM.

Feb 22, 2003, 08:27 PM	#3
edesignuk Demi-God (Moderator emeritus) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Great(?) Britain	Interesting...anyone gonna give it a shot? __________________ Search before you post: MRoogle **Better BBC Search** Last edited by edesignuk : Feb 22, 2003 at 08:31 PM.

Feb 22, 2003, 08:30 PM	#4
Billicus macrumors 6502a Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Charles City, Iowa	It'll make somebody happy, but If Apple says they shouldn't do it, then I'd be a little bit leary of rebooting into 9 after completing the process. If you couldn't restart using the "x" on the keyboard, (assuming the rom wouldn't need that, and apple dropped it) and if 9 couldn't restart, how would you get back to ten? The Jaguar Cd? __________________ "...I know it's hard when you're up to your armpits in alligators to remember you came here to drain the swamp." - Ronald Reagan February 10, 1982

Feb 22, 2003, 09:06 PM	#5
Freg3000 macrumors 68000 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York	That was pretty quick actually. I thought it might have taken longer to figure out how to do this. It also seems pretty easy (for what it is actually doing). I might give it a go, but I don't have a new Powermac. __________________ FregTK This Is Momentum.

Feb 22, 2003, 09:59 PM	#12
rjrufo macrumors regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boston	Ok, I'm going to add my $0.02 worth to this. Why would someone want to boot into OS-9 if they went out and bought a new computer? I would think that those who still use OS-9 wouldn't buy anything new, until the software that they need is ported to OS-X. I use OS-X exclusively, I've only started Classic a few times. I may be a new Mac user, but my PowerBook came with OS-9 and used that as my primary computer that way for almost a year before I decided to move to OS-X - at that time it was at version 10.1.3. I now use 10.2, and have no software that uses OS-9, because I upgraded everything that I use at the same time. Like I said, this is just my $0.02, so if you feel the need, go ahead and start the flames. __________________ http://homepage.mac.com/rjrufo/

Feb 22, 2003, 09:15 PM	#7
bennetsaysargh macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York	i would try it, but i don't have a new powermac. anyone wanna buy one for me? lol:-) :-) :-)

Feb 22, 2003, 09:23 PM	#8
md123 macrumors newbie Join Date: Feb 2003	How could it void your warranty? This is not a firmware change.

Feb 22, 2003, 09:23 PM	#9
Nermal Demi-God (Moderator) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Whakatane, New Zealand	I haven't tried it, but I think the "Install Tinkertool/Make all folders visible" steps are unnecessary. Just choose "Go to Folder" from the Go menu and type /Volumes/Restore/.images into the box (substitute the restore CD's volume name for "Restore"). I don't see this as voiding the warranty. In the worst-case situation, just reinstall Jaguar.

Feb 22, 2003, 09:51 PM	#10
iJon macrumors 601 Join Date: Feb 2002	ok boys, ill be the guinnea pig. ill try it on my firewire hard drive first, if that doesnt work ill try it on my main system. it will be later tonight but i will confirm for you guys. if it works ill try it on my 12 inch powerbook. iJon

Feb 22, 2003, 09:53 PM	#11
iJon macrumors 601 Join Date: Feb 2002	but on a second note, i dont see why this would work. new macs already have system 9 on there, my new powermac does and my new powerbook does. so what would copying a dupe of the system help you any. what the hell though, ill try it. but if you ask me, this doesnt make to much sense. iJon

Feb 22, 2003, 10:03 PM	#13
Billicus macrumors 6502a Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Charles City, Iowa	If the OS 9 on the Cd doesn't have drivers to run on the new hardware, then how is there any chance that it'll work? __________________ "...I know it's hard when you're up to your armpits in alligators to remember you came here to drain the swamp." - Ronald Reagan February 10, 1982

Feb 22, 2003, 10:10 PM	#15
timbloom macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2002	if this works, it might also be reasonable that a non-oem os 9 might work, But I assume that it is a firmware option that disables booting OS 9, not the install. So it would be a bad idea for it to litteraly downgrade your firmware. who knows though, from what I have been told, the reason they need to drop OS 9 support, is because the OS is so old that Apple has to cripple the hardware for the os to work. Then again, I am no expert.... I would be curious to hear the long-term results. IMHO, you are wasting your money on a new machine if you plan to use 9 on it, since it can't take full advantage of it.

Feb 22, 2003, 10:13 PM	#16
Mal macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, soon to be Chiba	Two things here. Apple trimmed the boot ROM, so no matter what you do short of a logic board swap, or at least switching the ROM (which is next to impossible), nothing is going to allow the new machines to boot into OS 9. The logic board does not support it. On the subject of switching back, holding down the shift key does not tell you what OS's you have installed on the drive. It only shows the currently selected OS for each drive or partition you have on your system. JW __________________ My Googlepage: Serenity Icons and More!

Feb 22, 2003, 10:16 PM	#17
Bear macrumors 68030 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sol III - Terra	If this works, at the very least you probably won't have access to the firewire 800 port (slight chance it'll work like a firewire 400 port) and you won't have drivers for Airport Extreme. And the SuperDrive might not be recognized as an Apple SuperDrive under OS 9 since it's a new vendor. __________________ -----Bear

Feb 22, 2003, 11:03 PM	#19
bikertwin macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: This Old House	Give it up, folks! OS 9 is dead. Mac OS is dead! Long live Mac OS!

Feb 23, 2003, 12:20 AM	#21
iJon macrumors 601 Join Date: Feb 2002	ok i tried it. it didnt work. whoever thought of this was an idiot. all new macs come with os 9 preinstalled, dont why he thought throwing another copy on there would work. its the hardware boys, apple isnt that dumb. who cares anyways, os 9 sucked, just as bad as win 98. iJon

Feb 23, 2003, 12:28 AM	#22
weev macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Leave OS9 alone - it's a great OS. All you people see something new and all of a sudden the current is old and decrepid. I am going to love 9.2 until the very day, and not a moment earlier, that I can afford a fast OS X machine

Feb 23, 2003, 12:33 AM	#24
Lupin Addams macrumors newbie Join Date: Feb 2003	Why would someone want to boot into OS-9 if they went out and bought a new computer? [/b][/quote] Here's one reason to boot in 9... There's a long-standing glitch Apple have not fixed, where FTP and some other net services will not function in OS X through a proxy server (there's a lot of threads on this on the Apple discussions group), but will function from a 9 boot... the main reason (other than cost!!) that I won't be updating my battered old TiBook 550 anytime soon. It would be nice if Apple had checked for sort of thing before consigning 9 to the scrapheap... So if anyone does come up with a working 9 boot, some of us will want it.

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