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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:02 PM   #1
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Did Apple lie? Yet more delays from Apple on 17"

Has anyone read the latest article on Think Secret ? Apparently Apple has kept its customers in the dark about the 17" availability. We may not really see them in the channels until April if you can believe it. And if you're ordering from a retailer, forget it. If Apple can't deliver within a quarter, they shouldn't be announcing new products plain and simple. I guess the truth was they had nothing else too exciting on the hardware side in January, so they had to announce them. But when you see a bunch on the floor, you'd think they are steps away or already are producing them. Guess not. Apple may innovate, but they keep repeating the mistakes of past--I say it's time to replace their entire production division because they get an F.
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:16 PM   #2
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They probably gave the most optimistic date for being able to ship the notebooks. Like usual, their estimates are far from the truth. It really isn't Apple's fault that a company in Taiwan is having problems with the production.
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:21 PM   #3
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whatever the case, this is a drag. I imagine it will push back the release of 15" alubooks and future upgrades.
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:23 PM   #4
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But the point is, if Apple KNEW about this in January, why not tell the buying public?

We can say it's the Taiwanese plant's fault, but this problem is happening year after year. Maybe they need to look for better production facilities...or better production managers. It's a tough job market--I'm sure there are more willing and able people out there.
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:25 PM   #5
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Apple has had production problems for years. I wouldn't expect them to change.
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:26 PM   #6
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So now they want to regain the 5% market share they once had. It sure looks uphill from here.
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Jobs and the press release said "available in February". With that, and being one of the first to order, I would expect to be typing on one day after tomorrow at the latest. So Apple has just one more day to ship it to me in time.

But also at the end of the day I ordered, Jan 7, I received an email from the Apple store legitimately saying 7-10 weeks (since the original 30 days I saw on the Apple Store online was out of whack). That technically gives Apple until March 21st until they miss the deadline they gave me.
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5% is a good start. In a few years, they could get up to 10%. That would be a really big milestone. When you get more volume of sales, prices can then come down. Also, with more sales, there will be more incentive for IBM or MOTO to keep up with development of the processors.
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I have one answer from Apple on this..

An Apple Store rep in San Diego told me in the store that their 17" PowerBook on display was a pre-production model, and that full production models are on hold because they are waiting for "10.2.4 +"... an upgraded version of 10.2.4 which has a special control panel for controlling the keyboard backlighting.. So it would appear this is not an actual production facility problem, but a hold up in software.. an engineering problem..

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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:34 PM   #10
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And they are still glued to the g4! What the hell is going on over there STEVE? They have a great software division, a great style/art form. but the basic hardware division sucks! 100 & 133 busses? come on! DDR that is not fully utilized? come on! G4 chip that lack real progress! come on!They have danced and danced around the the real hardware issues and now saying they have a product but not really having it until the following QTR! COME ON! Its as bad as those European Saddam lovers!
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:37 PM   #11
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They won't do anything to improve on the G4 bus speed or anything of that nature. They are just passing along products to keep people buying until they have the 970-based Macs ready to go.
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:40 PM   #12
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I dont think this would be from a software problem. apple can usually fix a software problem in a day.

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Old Feb 26, 2003, 04:41 PM   #13
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Xapp--

Don't tell me it will be weeks until they install in a software update? That could be downloadable, no?
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They won't do anything to improve on the G4 bus speed or anything of that nature. They are just passing along products to keep people buying until they have the 970-based Macs ready to go.
And Apple scratches its head and wonders why 3% market share? WAKE UP!
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I'm a bit confused on Apple strategies with this. we all know apple is trying to move away from the "expo" announcements yet they still announced two of their new powerbooks. I'm confused why they didn't intorduce jsut the software an mwsf and introduce the powerbooks on a tuesday like they did with everything else. They could have waited until they knew the 12pb was ready or when they had a good firm etimateo n the shipment of the 17s. I hate to say slow and steady wins the race but maybe they need to take their times iwth this stuff. Thinksecret did some great working trying to note dates based on all of their data.
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 05:17 PM   #16
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the bus speed of the 17" powerbook is actually 166Mhz, because it usues PC2700 or DDR 333, so it is actually better than you think... yea, i'd like to see a better processor in there, but for a laptop of that thinkness, and size... a 1Ghz processor is excellent. Becides, PC companies use 1Ghz P3-m's in their portables. And a 1Ghz G4 beats a P3-m. I wouldn't mind seeing apple use an Intel processor. And I know many people out there hate intel, I don't... I hate Windows. Intel makes fine processors, and the P4 of today is a totally different (in terms of performance) than the original P4. Also the prescott will enhance the performance as well. But I know that apple will never use an Intel chip.

Oh, and if you disagree with what I say, please don't flame me, but respectfully disagree...
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No Flames it just pisses me off that they ask such high prices for their stuff and then to keep lagging along with that darn motorola. And still DDR is not being utilized 100% They need a new chip maker! and a upgradeable imac LCD! All these darn games makes me want to scream!
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 05:44 PM   #18
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This is the reason why Apple wants to get away from Macworld expos, they have to launch big products on IDG's schedule NOT theirs.

Once apple can have their own shows or whatever at any time they want, they can always wait until their supplies are large enough to launch.

I think I'm beginning to dislike MW as much as steve seems to....
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 07:20 PM   #19
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If the thing isn't shipped on March 20th (my pushed back date), I'm cancelling and buying a refurbished TiBook. I can't stand working 8 hours a day on my iBook any more. I'll stretch it a month, but no longer.

(Yeah, I talk big now. We'll see on March 20th, and the ship date comes and goes, what I'll really do).
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No Flames it just pisses me off that they ask such high prices for their stuff and then to keep lagging along with that darn motorola. And still DDR is not being utilized 100% They need a new chip maker! and a upgradeable imac LCD! All these darn games makes me want to scream!
sheesh. if you don't like it, go get a pc and linux or something. you cry more than my baby nephew.
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"year of the problems" seems more apt than "year of the notebook" at this point...

iPod's when...?
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Old Feb 26, 2003, 09:37 PM   #22
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sheesh. if you don't like it, go get a pc and linux or something. you cry more than my baby nephew.
Another Saddam lover wining about us freeing the iraqi people. Apple is and has been screwing up. this is a fact or didnt you read this post? April? they announced it in Jan. i guess this happens when you change products and manufactors! And no i wont will not and cant ever buy a crappy PC But i will cry all i want to when apple does stupid things!How olds your nephew?maybe by the time he is grown up apple will have ditched Motorola
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And they are still glued to the g4! What the hell is going on over there STEVE? They have a great software division, a great style/art form. but the basic hardware division sucks! 100 & 133 busses? come on! DDR that is not fully utilized? come on! G4 chip that lack real progress! come on!They have danced and danced around the the real hardware issues and now saying they have a product but not really having it until the following QTR! COME ON! Its as bad as those European Saddam lovers!

Okay. Seriously. WTF do you want Apple to do, rub a magic lamp and pull a G5 (or whatever) out of thin air?

Please tell me what options Apple currently has in terms of proc's and mobo's (i.e. "real" DDR). You are bitching at the top of your lungs at the current situation so please provide viable alternatives.


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Another Saddam lover wining about us freeing the iraqi people.
perhaps i speak for all of us when i say "huh?"
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While back, didn't Apple automatically upgrade PowerMac orders when they couldn't deliver on time? Maybe Apple will treat you guys who ordered 17inch PowerBook with 1.25Ghz G4 instead of 1Ghz.
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