15inch Powerbook Next Month?

MacRumors · Mar 8, 2003, 06:45 PM

Kodawarisan posted a brief update claiming that the 15" Powerbooks are delayed due to 17" delays... but appear to be in line for an update next month.

They also echo reports of a Bluetooth Mouse and Keyboard.

TeraRWM · Mar 8, 2003, 06:51 PM

wonder what these new 15.4" will have in terms of screen resolution.

any thoughts?

orangefoodie · 07:13 PM

I pray and pray that it's not going to drop to 1200x800 (and dropping the pixel density for the 15.4" diagonal aspect ratio considerably). It probably is though, as most rumours regarding the 15.4 PB claim. A terrible, terrible shame - I hate how macs are always gipped in terms of screen resolution...

donshank · Mar 8, 2003, 07:13 PM

i don't know what you are talking about... my pb 15" screen res is 1152 x 768. a res of 1200 x 800 is a step up!

orangefoodie · Mar 8, 2003, 07:17 PM

Hehehe I forgot that point. It's still being gipped tho. My point still stands - that dell 15.4 inch widescreen gets 1,680 pixels by 1,050 pixels (SXGA+ Resolution)... I'm envious

scarecrow · Mar 8, 2003, 07:24 PM

Higher resolution is always nice, but nothing beats improved brightness and/or contrast. I will take a hit on resolution if I get a brighter LCD.

bentmywookie · Mar 8, 2003, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by donshank
i don't know what you are talking about... my pb 15" screen res is 1152 x 768. a res of 1200 x 800 is a step up!

The 15" superdrive Ti has a 1280 by x 854 resolution, so if it debuts at 1200 x 800 it would be a step down from the current models. However, I believe the only reason for speculating an introduction at 1200 x 800 is because of the finding that the people who produced the 17"'s screen also produce a 15.4" screen at 1200 x 800. So don't let your hopes get too down.

orangefoodie · Mar 8, 2003, 07:38 PM

But realistically, there is no way Apple will choose something much more sensical and happy like a 1900x1200 resolution in the new PB (which is the highest resolution that 15.4 inch dell can go). THAT would make my day - I mean, there's 1.7 times more pixels in 1900x1200 than there is in the 17 inch powerbook.

That said, I'm still planning to get that 17 inch powerbook...

Bear · Mar 8, 2003, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by donshank
i don't know what you are talking about... my pb 15" screen res is 1152 x 768. a res of 1200 x 800 is a step up!

The PowerBook DVIs are 1280 x 854. The rumored resolution for the 15.4" is 1280 * 800 (16:10 ratio).

If you got your PowerBook before last may, this would be a step us. For newer owners, it's a step down.

I won't be replacing my TiBook for at least another year, so I'm not too concerned about the lower resolution, although I hope Apple has it back up by the time I need a new PowerBook.

yzedf · Mar 8, 2003, 08:10 PM

I guess I just don't understand the hubub about the 17" PB. Keeps me locked into a desk (size), big screen that has a low resolution, and you can't get one yet. It is just a novelty item at this stage.

The 15.x" is a nice size, good for real work, but sized in such a way that I would be more than comfortable with it on my lap chillin' on the couch. Only thing to wait for is screen resolution, which I have the feeling I will be disappointed, much like when the iBook 14" came out.

15.4" with a high res, real DDR/FW800/BT/AE/backlit keyboard could be enough to push me over the edge.

Apple, please make me buy something! I am tired of waiting for the next big thing...

ryan · Mar 8, 2003, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yzedf
I guess I just don't understand the hubub about the 17" PB. Keeps me locked into a desk (size), big screen that has a low resolution, and you can't get one yet. It is just a novelty item at this stage.
[snip]

I couldn't agree more. I just don't understand why people are so interested in this machine. Sure a 17" screen is nice, but the sacrifices that need to be made to put one in a laptop, not just in terms of size but in terms of weight (the 17" is nearly 2lbs heavier than the 15") makes it not worth it.

firestarter · Mar 8, 2003, 08:52 PM

Apple needs to hurry up with these laptops. They've failed to deliver on the promise set back in January that this would be 'year of the laptop' (3/4 year anyone?).

Meanwhile, next Wednesday sees the release of the Intel Centrino mobile processor. This looks pretty good - much better performance (less of a 'MHz myth' problem than the P4) and much lower power. Added to this is the expected $2bn advertising budget that Intel will use to get this off the ground, and which manufacturars will be keen to get behind.

I expect a whole load of wintel manufacturars will make product releases next week, with lighter/more powerful notebooks - which will better compete with the PowerMacs. Apple needs to wake up before Intel eats their lunch.

rt_brained · 01:39 AM

But if you could instead get a brand-new top-of-the-line 15" TiBook 1GHz/512/60/Superdrive for $1,799.00, plus (mandatory) Applecare warranty for an extra $200.00, would you cave?

Kwyjibo · Mar 9, 2003, 02:26 AM

so you save 1150 off the retail price of that tibook 2799 down to 1799 and 349 app to 200 app. that seems like a deal to me.

orangefoodie · 03:04 AM

Hell, they sell the 15" TiBook at the Umich Campus store for $2138 (applecare included). I'm going for the 17 inch because of:
1) The big physical real estate (knowing apple, they aren't going to push the resolution of their screens for a while, 15.4" or otherwise - after all the 17" AlBook's screen is based off the 17" imac)
2) The weight isn't really much of a concern, I'm used to carrying around many many pounds of books, and my mum's Dell laptop weighs more than the 17 inch.

I've carried that sucker around all over...
3) When you actually make a mock-up of the 17" AlBook footprint, it's not nearly as big as you imagine. (Yes, I _am_ that sort of geek.)
Also, money isn't much of a concern for me cos this is coming out of my parents' money - so I guess I'm terribly biased

I just feel bad for Apple because they have boneheads in the marketing department. After all, they announced this with a load of hoo-hah, complete with FULL-PAGE ads on major magazines and newspapers like TIME and the NYT. Now it's been two months, and at this rate no one will remember anything ('specially the pontential switchers lured by the said TIME ads like me) about these Laptops when they actually come out, while Centrino sways the market backed by Intel money.

rt_brained · 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
so you save 1150 off the retail price of that tibook 2799 down to 1799 and 349 app to 200 app. that seems like a deal to me.

That, plus the delay on the new 15's, swayed me big time. Also, keep in mind that "announcement" does not equate to "now available." You can bet the line is growing already...and if the availability of the 17 is any indication, I'd just as soon get a 15" now and save loads of cash. The extra goodies on the new 15" will never make up for the $1000 I just saved.

As long as I'm here:
Additionally, the possibility of a lower res screen, those slippery new silver keys (they look better than they feel) and that funky plastic trim around the top edge of the new Powerbook's base (on all sizes) -- also weighed heavy in my decision. If you thought scratched paint on the TiBook was an issue, just wait till you see that plastic trim after it gets banged up and start protruding with sharp pieces like nasty hangnails after good use.

You gotta take the good with the so-so.

Overall, I think the quality and craftsmanship of the new iBooks and Powerbooks has suffered a bit. The 12" iBook, arguably the most beautiful of Apple's notebooks, has become just in the last few months a homely shadow of its former self. The new cheap white pebbly-feel plastic keyboard area collects dirt and natural oils and quickly turns a lovely shade of beige after regular use.

Too bad...Just as we were beginning to gain some terrific momentum. I hope Steve reads this forum and takes note.

bikeboy · Mar 9, 2003, 09:36 AM

...what about performance specifications?

What I mean is, will the 15" PB continue to be the flagship model? or will the 17" take over as Apple's high end notebook?

I'm assuming that because it's the last to be upgraded, the 15" will be more advanced in some way(s) than the 12 and 15 PBs.

Do people generally agree? disagree? How might Apple push the envelope with the new 15"?

dabirdwell · 10:28 AM

My 12" is going back in the next couple of days and I'm trying to decide if the wait and couple hundred extra are worth it for the next 15" or if I should just get another 12".

If the 15" looks like this:

a 16:10 screen (I'm okay with the projected resolution)
and
64M Video Card
DDR
AE
BT
1+Ghz (Low Power Usage?)
Lit Keyboard
DVI out
4X Superdrive
80G Hard Drive?
New Enclosure
1G RAM

These would all be improvements on the Ti or advantages over the 12". I think it's worth the dollar difference easy as long as size isn't the crucial factor.

kdog · Mar 9, 2003, 01:44 PM

FYI - I noticed the 15" powerbooks were all missing from the Cambridge, MA Apple store this weekend. No comment from the sales clerks.

I hope these 15" models pack a real punch. I was thoroughly unimpressed with the 12" al-book. Basically a 'sexier' version of the iBook without much additional real-world power.

DHagan4755 · 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kdog
FYI - I noticed the 15" powerbooks were all missing from the Cambridge, MA Apple store this weekend. No comment from the sales clerks.

Forget about next month...I truly believe that new 15.4-inch PowerBooks are imminent. I know we've heard that they've been imminent since late-January. Consider, however, that Dell is likely to introduce yet another 15.4-inch widescreen model as a midrange model when the new Pentium-M chip debuts on Wednesday, March 12th. Might Apple try to counter announce? If supplies of the Titanium are, as someone posted here, constrained as the yet available 17-inch, in concert with the fact that the low-end PowerBook and high-end PowerBook sport both built-in Bluetooth and support for Airport Extreme, I think that leaves this middle PowerBook almost a no-brainer for an update soon.

Can anyone who's visited other Apple Stores around the country vouch for missing 15" Titanium display models in your respective stores?

Hawthorne · Mar 9, 2003, 03:58 PM

My take on this....

Quote:

Originally posted by dabirdwell
My 12" is going back in the next couple of days and I'm trying to decide if the wait and couple hundred extra are worth it for the next 15" or if I should just get another 12".

If the 15" looks like this:

a 16:10 screen (I'm okay with the projected resolution) Probably
64M Video Card Doubtful. ATI is on Steve's *****list, it seems, they'll probably use the same card in the 12' and 17'.
DDR Probably
AE Definitely
BT Definitely
1+Ghz (Low Power Usage?) 1Ghz, yes, faster, no.
Lit Keyboard Definitely
DVI out Definitely
4X Superdrive Doubtful, 2x more likely
80G Hard Drive? Maybe
New Enclosure Definitely, similar to the 12' and 17'
1G RAMDoubtful. 512mb is more likely

This would bring the 15' into the same league as the 12' and 17' versions, and yet not blow either out of the water. I'd guess the price point would stay reasonably the same, too.
And I'm in the same boat, trying to decide between whether to buy in the next month whatever the updated 15' PB might be, or the 17' that I lust for now.

AhmedFaisal · Mar 9, 2003, 05:32 PM

More than anything else I want support for Bluetooth PCMCIA Cards. What does my Powerbook have a PC Card Slot for if not for a Bluetooth Card. The stupid D-Link dongle is an annoyance and it blocks a USB Port.

As for the Powerbook, lets hope they keep the Radeon, the NVIDIA sucks...
Ahmed

CrackedButter · Mar 9, 2003, 05:37 PM

I will now wait for this laptop i have no problem with this but since there are 2 15" PB's i think we will see 2 different models.

One will have all the same features (superdrive, keyboard, Gcard) as the 17" but at a 15" screen but the other 15"PB will have the same features as the 12" Superdrive there by losing its Superdrive, keyboard and possibly Gcard.

I want the 15" Super model with bells and whistles and have budgeted for it already!

However i could wait for the PCC970 as well with the time frame i have set out sincei am moving to NZ for a year next year.

edenwaith · Mar 9, 2003, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ryan
I couldn't agree more. I just don't understand why people are so interested in this machine. Sure a 17" screen is nice, but the sacrifices that need to be made to put one in a laptop, not just in terms of size but in terms of weight (the 17" is nearly 2lbs heavier than the 15") makes it not worth it.

Ditto. Sure the 17" is big, and it would be nice, but realistically, I think my next laptop will be a 15" Powerbook. My 12" iBook has done a great job for me in the past year, but what impresses me with the Powerbooks is the nice monitor size. I don't think I need 17", plus the weight behind it. So a 15" would probably suit me just fine, especially with a DVD-ROM/CD-RW. I just don't need DVD burning capabilities, so having a DVD-ROM/CD-RW would provide for faster CD burning than a drive equipped with a Superdrive.

danman · Mar 10, 2003, 07:39 AM

What are the chance that the new 15 incher will use the updated G4.. specifically the reduced power consumption it brings and.. even more importantly, the bigger (512K) L2 cache - which will make a useful and significant impact on performance.

I am waiting to buy (using my company's computers for staff policy, that sees them paying 33% of the cost of a new computer for staff if it is to be used for work) especially waiting for AExtreme and built in bluetooth.. I only hope they don't downgrade the display size and use them GeForce chips...

Anybody have an idea on the 7457 though?

Mar 8, 2003, 06:45 PM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	15inch Powerbook Next Month? Kodawarisan posted a brief update claiming that the 15" Powerbooks are delayed due to 17" delays... but appear to be in line for an update next month. They also echo reports of a Bluetooth Mouse and Keyboard.

Mar 8, 2003, 06:51 PM	#2
TeraRWM macrumors newbie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Middleton, WI	wonder what these new 15.4" will have in terms of screen resolution. any thoughts? __________________ Check it out http://www.dereksucks.com <--my blog

Mar 8, 2003, 07:09 PM	#3
orangefoodie macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Entirely TOO FLAT Ann Arbor, MI	I pray and pray that it's not going to drop to 1200x800 (and dropping the pixel density for the 15.4" diagonal aspect ratio considerably). It probably is though, as most rumours regarding the 15.4 PB claim. A terrible, terrible shame - I hate how macs are always gipped in terms of screen resolution... __________________ I've been Doggiefied by Jeff! ^_^ Last edited by orangefoodie : Mar 8, 2003 at 07:13 PM.

Mar 8, 2003, 07:17 PM	#5
orangefoodie macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Entirely TOO FLAT Ann Arbor, MI	Hehehe I forgot that point. It's still being gipped tho. My point still stands - that dell 15.4 inch widescreen gets 1,680 pixels by 1,050 pixels (SXGA+ Resolution)... I'm envious __________________ I've been Doggiefied by Jeff! ^_^

Mar 8, 2003, 07:38 PM	#8
orangefoodie macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Entirely TOO FLAT Ann Arbor, MI	But realistically, there is no way Apple will choose something much more sensical and happy like a 1900x1200 resolution in the new PB (which is the highest resolution that 15.4 inch dell can go). THAT would make my day - I mean, there's 1.7 times more pixels in 1900x1200 than there is in the 17 inch powerbook. That said, I'm still planning to get that 17 inch powerbook... __________________ I've been Doggiefied by Jeff! ^_^

Mar 8, 2003, 07:13 PM	#4
donshank macrumors newbie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles	i don't know what you are talking about... my pb 15" screen res is 1152 x 768. a res of 1200 x 800 is a step up!

Mar 8, 2003, 07:24 PM	#6
scarecrow macrumors newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Washington DC	Higher resolution is always nice, but nothing beats improved brightness and/or contrast. I will take a hit on resolution if I get a brighter LCD.

Mar 8, 2003, 08:10 PM	#10
yzedf Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Connecticut	I guess I just don't understand the hubub about the 17" PB. Keeps me locked into a desk (size), big screen that has a low resolution, and you can't get one yet. It is just a novelty item at this stage. The 15.x" is a nice size, good for real work, but sized in such a way that I would be more than comfortable with it on my lap chillin' on the couch. Only thing to wait for is screen resolution, which I have the feeling I will be disappointed, much like when the iBook 14" came out. 15.4" with a high res, real DDR/FW800/BT/AE/backlit keyboard could be enough to push me over the edge. Apple, please make me buy something! I am tired of waiting for the next big thing...

Mar 8, 2003, 08:52 PM	#12
firestarter macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Green and pleasant land	Centrino Apple needs to hurry up with these laptops. They've failed to deliver on the promise set back in January that this would be 'year of the laptop' (3/4 year anyone?). Meanwhile, next Wednesday sees the release of the Intel Centrino mobile processor. This looks pretty good - much better performance (less of a 'MHz myth' problem than the P4) and much lower power. Added to this is the expected $2bn advertising budget that Intel will use to get this off the ground, and which manufacturars will be keen to get behind. I expect a whole load of wintel manufacturars will make product releases next week, with lighter/more powerful notebooks - which will better compete with the PowerMacs. Apple needs to wake up before Intel eats their lunch.

Mar 9, 2003, 01:34 AM	#13
rt_brained macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Creativille	But if you could instead get a brand-new top-of-the-line 15" TiBook 1GHz/512/60/Superdrive for $1,799.00, plus (mandatory) Applecare warranty for an extra $200.00, would you cave? Last edited by rt_brained : Mar 9, 2003 at 01:39 AM.

Mar 9, 2003, 02:26 AM	#14
Kwyjibo macrumors 68040 Join Date: Nov 2002	so you save 1150 off the retail price of that tibook 2799 down to 1799 and 349 app to 200 app. that seems like a deal to me.

Mar 9, 2003, 02:56 AM	#15
orangefoodie macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Entirely TOO FLAT Ann Arbor, MI	Hell, they sell the 15" TiBook at the Umich Campus store for $2138 (applecare included). I'm going for the 17 inch because of: 1) The big physical real estate (knowing apple, they aren't going to push the resolution of their screens for a while, 15.4" or otherwise - after all the 17" AlBook's screen is based off the 17" imac) 2) The weight isn't really much of a concern, I'm used to carrying around many many pounds of books, and my mum's Dell laptop weighs more than the 17 inch. I've carried that sucker around all over... 3) When you actually make a mock-up of the 17" AlBook footprint, it's not nearly as big as you imagine. (Yes, I _am_ that sort of geek.) Also, money isn't much of a concern for me cos this is coming out of my parents' money - so I guess I'm terribly biased I just feel bad for Apple because they have boneheads in the marketing department. After all, they announced this with a load of hoo-hah, complete with FULL-PAGE ads on major magazines and newspapers like TIME and the NYT. Now it's been two months, and at this rate no one will remember anything ('specially the pontential switchers lured by the said TIME ads like me) about these Laptops when they actually come out, while Centrino sways the market backed by Intel money. __________________ I've been Doggiefied by Jeff! ^_^ Last edited by orangefoodie : Mar 9, 2003 at 03:04 AM.

Mar 9, 2003, 09:36 AM	#17
bikeboy macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario	Never mind screen resolution... ...what about performance specifications? What I mean is, will the 15" PB continue to be the flagship model? or will the 17" take over as Apple's high end notebook? I'm assuming that because it's the last to be upgraded, the 15" will be more advanced in some way(s) than the 12 and 15 PBs. Do people generally agree? disagree? How might Apple push the envelope with the new 15"?

Mar 9, 2003, 10:25 AM	#18
dabirdwell macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oklahoma	Don't Know... My 12" is going back in the next couple of days and I'm trying to decide if the wait and couple hundred extra are worth it for the next 15" or if I should just get another 12". If the 15" looks like this: a 16:10 screen (I'm okay with the projected resolution) and 64M Video Card DDR AE BT 1+Ghz (Low Power Usage?) Lit Keyboard DVI out 4X Superdrive 80G Hard Drive? New Enclosure 1G RAM These would all be improvements on the Ti or advantages over the 12". I think it's worth the dollar difference easy as long as size isn't the crucial factor. Last edited by dabirdwell : Mar 9, 2003 at 10:28 AM.

Mar 9, 2003, 01:44 PM	#19
kdog macrumors newbie Join Date: May 2002	15" missing from Apple store FYI - I noticed the 15" powerbooks were all missing from the Cambridge, MA Apple store this weekend. No comment from the sales clerks. I hope these 15" models pack a real punch. I was thoroughly unimpressed with the 12" al-book. Basically a 'sexier' version of the iBook without much additional real-world power.

Mar 9, 2003, 05:32 PM	#22
AhmedFaisal macrumors 6502 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Somewhere in Germany	Bluetooth PCMCIA Support please!!! More than anything else I want support for Bluetooth PCMCIA Cards. What does my Powerbook have a PC Card Slot for if not for a Bluetooth Card. The stupid D-Link dongle is an annoyance and it blocks a USB Port. As for the Powerbook, lets hope they keep the Radeon, the NVIDIA sucks... Ahmed

Mar 9, 2003, 05:37 PM	#23
CrackedButter macrumors 68030 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 51st State of America	I will now wait for this laptop i have no problem with this but since there are 2 15" PB's i think we will see 2 different models. One will have all the same features (superdrive, keyboard, Gcard) as the 17" but at a 15" screen but the other 15"PB will have the same features as the 12" Superdrive there by losing its Superdrive, keyboard and possibly Gcard. I want the 15" Super model with bells and whistles and have budgeted for it already! However i could wait for the PCC970 as well with the time frame i have set out sincei am moving to NZ for a year next year. __________________ "Absorb what is useful, Discard what is not, Add what is uniquely your own" - Bruce Lee http://jonathanjk.viewbook.com/

Mar 10, 2003, 07:39 AM	#25
danman macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2002	7457?? What are the chance that the new 15 incher will use the updated G4.. specifically the reduced power consumption it brings and.. even more importantly, the bigger (512K) L2 cache - which will make a useful and significant impact on performance. I am waiting to buy (using my company's computers for staff policy, that sees them paying 33% of the cost of a new computer for staff if it is to be used for work) especially waiting for AExtreme and built in bluetooth.. I only hope they don't downgrade the display size and use them GeForce chips... Anybody have an idea on the 7457 though?

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