X11 Beta 3, Mac OS X 10.2.5 Seeded, iWorks, Tidbits...

MacRumors · Mar 17, 2003, 06:50 PM

Apple has posted X11 Beta 3 which features bug fixes and enhancements.

As well, Apple has started seeds of Mac OS X 10.2.5. ThinkSecret is covering the highlights.<>

17 Inch Powerbooks are finally shipping.

Thinksecret also reports that the long rumored Apple Office Suite may very well be in the works:

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If you're waiting for AppleWorks 7, look instead for iWorks, coming from Apple later this year. Sources said that iWorks will consist of a word processing application tentatively called "Document," Apple's Keynote presentation software, a spreadsheet application, and a database app.

nuckinfutz · Mar 17, 2003, 06:57 PM

Version of what an Office Suite should be like.

I wonder if they've written everything from the ground up or if they've secretly aquired some IP.

Judging from Keynote his Office Suite should leverage some key technology in OSX.

Bring it on Apple.

MetallicPenguin · Mar 17, 2003, 07:06 PM

yeah I hope "document" is cool and I want to see 10.3

Kid Red · Mar 17, 2003, 07:07 PM

I look forward to this rumored iWorks. Apple admitted they would be doing a lot more software starting this year. The iWorks sounds like 3-4 apps plus the rumored video conferencing and also the music app, Apple will have some tempting apps to attract switchers.

sanford · Mar 17, 2003, 07:11 PM

I just don't want it to cost $300. How about $79 per app or $199 for a bundle of all 4.

Cecret · Mar 17, 2003, 07:15 PM

Even if it is a $300+ app package, it will still be worth it, given the cost of the ms alternative. And I'm sure we will see package/bundle deals with purchase of other hardware or os software.

sanford · Mar 17, 2003, 07:16 PM

And I don't mind paying $129 for 10.3, either. But my .mac renewal is going to come up at about the same time, so unless they are offer some sort of buy-and-save promotion for the both -- like buy 10.3 pay $59 for .mac new or renewal -- then I will have to do the .mac renewal and forego 10.3 for a month or so.

I have too many freaking annual subscriptions that all come up at about the same time.

Snowy_River · Mar 17, 2003, 07:17 PM

I hope that they come up with a better name than 'iWorks'. While that would be okay for a successor to AppleWorks, if it's going to be a new suite of applications it should have a better non-Works name.

Just my thoughts....

Computer_Phreak · Mar 17, 2003, 07:17 PM

If I were Apple, I'd bundle iWorks

Also, it sounds too much like MS Works

Hopefully Document will be a clear winner over Word, like Keynote over Powerpoint

Mr.Hey · Mar 17, 2003, 07:19 PM

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Apple is close to finalizing production of its PowerPC 970-based daughtercards, according to unsourced rumors reported by MacBidouille.

The article says that Cupertino has offered the manufacture of the card for tender to Taiwanese firms. Two firms will reportedly be retained. If accurate, this suggests Apple intend to build very large quantities of the microprocessor card and do not intend to experience supply problems.

Apple has also finalized its blueprints of the PPC970 motherboards, according to the article. MacBidouille says that the 'pro' version of the mobo will be much longer and narrower than the boards we're currently familiar with, which suggests a new case design for the 970-based Macs may be in the works.

Cecret · Mar 17, 2003, 07:22 PM

They should focus on their spreadsheet app more than wordprocessor. I know so many people who must own ms office just because of excell. Furthermore, excell dominates the business world so apple just needs to find a way to advertise the benefits of their version.

MrMacMan · Mar 17, 2003, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Hey
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good news keeps on coming.
iWorks would be nice, you know what we all need?

A $300 Total-Apple bundle software suite. Everything from iLife to the new iWorks.

Maybe this can be out for MWNY!

MacFan25 · Mar 17, 2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by MrMacman
A $300 Total-Apple bundle software suite. Everything from iLife to the new iWorks.

Maybe this can be out for MWNY!

That would be great!

And, I also agree that Apple needs to make a good spreadsheet app.

NavyIntel007 · Mar 17, 2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by sanford
I just don't want it to cost $300. How about $79 per app or $199 for a bundle of all 4.

I agree,. It needs to be agressivly underpriced to compete with the legacy MS office.

vollspacken · Mar 17, 2003, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Macrumors
Thinksecret also reports that the long rumored Apple Office Suite may very well be in the works:

...I REALLY hope so!

I currently use thinkfree office and I'm totally dissadisfied, since you can't use foot- and endnotes. TF-write therefore is more or less useless. You want to import files, forget it!!! TFO can't deal with footnotes... AAAARGHHHH!!!

I still have a student copy of MS office 2001 for os9 that I cannot use because I'm a osX-only user since I bought my 15" tiBook

I'm not willing to spend a sh**load of money for MS word for X (...and I don't want to pirate either), and hope that apple comes finally up with a descend word processor (pleeeeaaaaaase

), until then, I will be using TextEdit

vSpacken

macktheknife · Mar 17, 2003, 07:40 PM

I welcome any new software Apple releases, but I hope the introduction of an Apple office suite will not encourage Microsoft to stop developing MS Office for Mac. Most of us Mac users who work in a PC environment need MS Office compatibility when we're working on our Word, Excel, and PowerPoint files.

Yes, I am fully aware that alternatives to all three applications exist, and I am also fully aware that those alternatives can read existing MS Office files. Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe that my VBA-heavy Excel spreadsheets and extensively-formated Word and PowerPoint files will render flawlessly on a non-MS Office suite.

Mattski · Mar 17, 2003, 07:42 PM

Surely the 'Database App' is no suprise, given that File Maker Pro is the best cosumer grade database on the market.

I don't think Apple would be investing resources to create a product, when they already have a superior product.

So it could be a bundle of Keynote, File Maker Pro, 'Document??' and a spready of some description.

Mr.Hey · Mar 17, 2003, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Cecret
They should focus on their spreadsheet app more than wordprocessor. I know so many people who must own ms office just because of excell. Furthermore, excell dominates the business world so apple just needs to find a way to advertise the benefits of their version.

You do realize that this is a cross-platform application. And if Apple decides to create the entire office suite and manages to make a better product than MS... it will of course also affect the little scenario that you described.

ozubahn · Mar 17, 2003, 08:05 PM

I really hope Apple can come with a better name than Document. If they don't, then the first question will be: Can Document open Word documents, or just Document documents? (better check the Document help documents) That is going to be customer support hell. People have enough trouble with the important computing concepts as it is, without Apple giving everything the same name.

SoonToGetAMac · Mar 17, 2003, 08:11 PM

Also, iWorks is bad grammar. With a noun, like Tunes, its fine. iWorks just sounds bad.

rman2008 · Mar 17, 2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Macrumors
Apple has posted X11 Beta 3 which features bug fixes and enhancements.

As well, Apple has started seeds of Mac OS X 10.2.5. ThinkSecret is covering the highlights.<>

17 Inch Powerbooks are finally shipping.

Thinksecret also reports that the long rumored Apple Office Suite may very well be in the works:

If Apple names a word processing app named "Document". That would be enough to make me switch to windows. I thought "Mail" was bad.

-ray (am i the youngest member of macrumors ,13 years old?

shadowfax · Mar 17, 2003, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Hey
You do realize that this is a cross-platform application. And if Apple decides to create the entire office suite and manages to make a better product than MS... it will of course also affect the little scenario that you described.

isn't that the point he was making though? what do you mean by cross platform?

This X11 thing is cool, i am glad to see them making progress on it. heck, it's gotten more attention (by them), it looks like, than safari.

KDE 3.1 came out for fink just recently, and i compiled it overnight... beautiful; no more stinking freezes, and all the apps work right with X11 (they weren't). fabulous stuff!

i'm definitely looking forward to 10.2.5 too. finally something decent on the rumor scene!

kay · Mar 17, 2003, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by rman2008
If Apple names a word processing app named "Document". That would be enough to make me switch to windows. I thought "Mail" was bad.

-ray (am i the youngest member of macrumors ,13 years old?

Ah, what a smart kid

.

shadowfax · Mar 17, 2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by rman2008
If Apple names a word processing app named "Document". That would be enough to make me switch to windows. I thought "Mail" was bad.

-ray (am i the youngest member of macrumors ,13 years old?

good luck with windows, lol. isn't that like saying, "if my girlfriend dyes her hair red, i'm going to shoot myself?" i mean, you're wlecome to, but that kind of smarts isn't typical of Apple users. You do realize that you'll still be able to use MS word if you really want to, right?

Nermal · Mar 17, 2003, 08:34 PM

I don't think they'll call it Document. With Keynote, you make presentations, but the app isn't called Presentation. If Apple use the same naming scheme then their word processor may be called Letter, or Report, or some other type of document you can make with it.

Mar 17, 2003, 06:57 PM	#2
nuckinfutz macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Middle Earth	I welcome Apples Version of what an Office Suite should be like. I wonder if they've written everything from the ground up or if they've secretly aquired some IP. Judging from Keynote his Office Suite should leverage some key technology in OSX. Bring it on Apple.

Mar 17, 2003, 07:06 PM	#3
MetallicPenguin macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NC, USA	yeah I hope "document" is cool and I want to see 10.3 __________________ Come join Macsight.com now to enjoy a new Macintosh Community! It's free and only takes a second, everyone is welcome. Click Here!

Mar 17, 2003, 07:17 PM	#8
Snowy_River macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Corvallis, OR	I hope that they come up with a better name than 'iWorks'. While that would be okay for a successor to AppleWorks, if it's going to be a new suite of applications it should have a better non-Works name. Just my thoughts.... __________________ -Snowy Golden Naga: Indonesian Kung-Fu Geoffrey H Wathen Photography

Mar 17, 2003, 07:40 PM	#16
macktheknife macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2002	I welcome any new software Apple releases, but I hope the introduction of an Apple office suite will not encourage Microsoft to stop developing MS Office for Mac. Most of us Mac users who work in a PC environment need MS Office compatibility when we're working on our Word, Excel, and PowerPoint files. Yes, I am fully aware that alternatives to all three applications exist, and I am also fully aware that those alternatives can read existing MS Office files. Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe that my VBA-heavy Excel spreadsheets and extensively-formated Word and PowerPoint files will render flawlessly on a non-MS Office suite. __________________ "We are repeatedly what we do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." -- Aristotle "Far too many Mac users walk about in a daze convinced that Steve Jobs is their friend." -- "Matsu"

Mar 17, 2003, 07:42 PM	#17
Mattski macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Australia	Database App?? Surely the 'Database App' is no suprise, given that File Maker Pro is the best cosumer grade database on the market. I don't think Apple would be investing resources to create a product, when they already have a superior product. So it could be a bundle of Keynote, File Maker Pro, 'Document??' and a spready of some description. __________________ If 95% of people make a bad decision, it's still a bad decision.

Mar 17, 2003, 07:07 PM	#4
Kid Red macrumors 65816 Join Date: Dec 2001	I look forward to this rumored iWorks. Apple admitted they would be doing a lot more software starting this year. The iWorks sounds like 3-4 apps plus the rumored video conferencing and also the music app, Apple will have some tempting apps to attract switchers.

Mar 17, 2003, 07:11 PM	#5
sanford macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dallas, USA	I just don't want it to cost $300. How about $79 per app or $199 for a bundle of all 4.

Mar 17, 2003, 07:15 PM	#6
Cecret macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2003	Even if it is a $300+ app package, it will still be worth it, given the cost of the ms alternative. And I'm sure we will see package/bundle deals with purchase of other hardware or os software.

Mar 17, 2003, 07:16 PM	#7
sanford macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dallas, USA	And I don't mind paying $129 for 10.3, either. But my .mac renewal is going to come up at about the same time, so unless they are offer some sort of buy-and-save promotion for the both -- like buy 10.3 pay $59 for .mac new or renewal -- then I will have to do the .mac renewal and forego 10.3 for a month or so. I have too many freaking annual subscriptions that all come up at about the same time.

Mar 17, 2003, 07:17 PM	#9
Computer_Phreak macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2002	If I were Apple, I'd bundle iWorks Also, it sounds too much like MS Works Hopefully Document will be a clear winner over Word, like Keynote over Powerpoint

Mar 17, 2003, 07:22 PM	#11
Cecret macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2003	They should focus on their spreadsheet app more than wordprocessor. I know so many people who must own ms office just because of excell. Furthermore, excell dominates the business world so apple just needs to find a way to advertise the benefits of their version.

Mar 17, 2003, 08:05 PM	#19
ozubahn macrumors regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut	I really hope Apple can come with a better name than Document. If they don't, then the first question will be: Can Document open Word documents, or just Document documents? (better check the Document help documents) That is going to be customer support hell. People have enough trouble with the important computing concepts as it is, without Apple giving everything the same name.

Mar 17, 2003, 08:11 PM	#20
SoonToGetAMac macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: California	Also, iWorks is bad grammar. With a noun, like Tunes, its fine. iWorks just sounds bad.

Mar 17, 2003, 08:34 PM	#25
Nermal Demi-God (Moderator) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Whakatane, New Zealand	I don't think they'll call it Document. With Keynote, you make presentations, but the app isn't called Presentation. If Apple use the same naming scheme then their word processor may be called Letter, or Report, or some other type of document you can make with it.

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