PPC970 and WWDC Rumors: Part 2

MacRumors · 01:12 PM

MacBidouille feeds the fire with more rumors about the PowerPC 970 and WWDC.

According to their most recent update, they claim that Apple's WWDC dates were indeed moved due to planning around the PowerPC 970. Configurations are reported at 1.4 GHz, 1.8 GHz, and dual 2.3 GHz with availability 6-8 weeks after the announcement.

While they will not be sharing early benchmark results, they claim they are very exciting.

MacBidouille has a variable history of accuracy with their rumor reporting. A top speed of 2.3GHz is contrary to public IBM claims on the max speeds of the new PPC 970s as well as rumors from CeBit.

dabirdwell · Mar 25, 2003, 01:12 PM

Now all we need is a 970 in a PowerBook.

How long?

Do we know the power usage figures?

PretendPCuser · Mar 25, 2003, 01:14 PM

Looking forward to it! All this waiting my not have been in vain.

First?

psxndc · Mar 25, 2003, 01:15 PM

What I'd like to know is how you pronounce MacBidouille in the first place.

I'm a dumb American that only speaks one language. Is it "Mac-Bi-dooey"? "Mac-Bi-dooley"? "Mac-Bi-day"?

-p

nakavori · Mar 25, 2003, 01:20 PM

mac bee doo yuh,

plus ou moins (more or less)

Wes · Mar 25, 2003, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psxndc
What I'd like to know is how you pronounce MacBidouille in the first place.

I'm a dumb American that only speaks one language. Is it "Mac-Bi-dooey"? "Mac-Bi-dooley"? "Mac-Bi-day"?

-p

I thought it was Mac-bi-dool.

Very promising rumours. Dual 2.3ghz would take a p4 4ghz.

junior · Mar 25, 2003, 01:21 PM

mac-bi-du-il?

mymemory · Mar 25, 2003, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psxndc
What I'd like to know is how you pronounce MacBidouille in the first place.

I'm a dumb American that only speaks one language. Is it "Mac-Bi-dooey"? "Mac-Bi-dooley"? "Mac-Bi-day"?

-p

Oh man! that is so easy to pronunce

When I talk in english for me "beach" and "bitch" sounds the same, I just pronunce something in between hoping for people to undertand what I really mean

lou tsee · Mar 25, 2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

french

mac bee doo yuh,

that's the correct one. (whereas the 'yuh' is hardly more than a 'y')
anyway - I don't really buy their "we know too much" thing. sounds too cheap....

nuckinfutz · Mar 25, 2003, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Now all we need is a 970 in a PowerBook.

IBM already has specs on a 1.1 Volt PPC 970@ 1.2Ghz. Dissipation is only 19watts making it more efficient than the current Powerbook 1Ghz processors used by 10watts.

cc bcc · Mar 25, 2003, 01:35 PM

I think there is to much difference in clockspeed and also the 2.3 GHz is a bit too high.
I think we'll see 1.4, 1.8, 2x1.8

And that would still rock! Aight!?

iloveMac · Mar 25, 2003, 01:36 PM

WOW!!! a dual 2.3ghz. I am slobbering right now.

alset · Mar 25, 2003, 01:36 PM

Doesn't sound to accurate to me. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but I won't really believe it until we see it from some more reliable sources.

Dan

eunuchs · Mar 25, 2003, 01:38 PM

AHAHAHAHAHAHA...

April Fools Day isn't until next week....

j33pd0g · Mar 25, 2003, 01:52 PM

With new PowerPC 970 machines mac users may win twice:

1. We may have faster macs available to us.
2. They may also do a hefty price drop on the current line up. To make room for the new stuff.

Mr. Anderson · Mar 25, 2003, 01:55 PM

But what I question is why just duals on the top end - that's a huge difference in performance and will it be two CPUs or 1 dual core CPU.....

looking forward to finding out.

D

Flynnstone · Mar 25, 2003, 01:59 PM

Since this is a rumor, lets hypothesize on real world performance.
I've heard that the 970 is upto 4 times faster than an equivalent G4. Lets assume 2 times. Front side bus (FSB) is approximately 5 time faster (970@6.4 vs G4@1.3). For bus constrained, 2 times is reasonable. A little apples and oranges, no apples and prunes here

. A 1.8 GHz 970 would roughly be equivalent to a 3.6 GHz G4, about 2.9 speed up factor.
Now lets use Adobe's recently released numbers for a P4 @ 3.06 GHZ and a dual G4 1.25GHz. Some say Adobe is not optimized for dual processors, so say a single and dual G4 are the same. The Adobe number for the G4 was 1 minute 25 seconds or 85 seconds. Take the 85 seconds for the G4 @ 1.25 and divide by our speed up factor of 2.9 and we get about 29 seconds.
This is (theoretically) almost twice as fast as a P4@ 3.06GHz.
Cool!

CheekyGit · Mar 25, 2003, 02:00 PM

1.4 Ghz = cool

1.8 Ghz = even cooler

Dual 2.3 Ghz = Slobbering!!!! <wiping chin>

I'll save my pennies for 970 PowerBook and Dual 2.3 Ghz PowerMac. This is great news.

I'm glad I held off buying a 17" Powerbook.

CheekGit

minux · Mar 25, 2003, 02:00 PM

I do not think this will happen, and I for one am not holding my breath on it either. I would not xpect a new line of processors for about another year from Apple.

Mike

porovaara · Mar 25, 2003, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flynnstone
Since this is a rumor, lets hypothesize on real world performance.
I've heard that the 970 is upto 4 times faster than an equivalent G4.

Where have you head this?

sparkleytone · Mar 25, 2003, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dabirdwell
Now all we need is a 970 in a PowerBook.

How long?

Do we know the power usage figures?

a long time. there is really no point at the moment. the g4 has long legs when it comes to notebook usage. the powerbook should get a good 3-5 revs before switching architecture. that translates to a good two years.

the g4 in the notebook world is the chip to beat, and has been for a good two yrs now.

t^3 · Mar 25, 2003, 02:08 PM

Does anybody know what prevented the PowerBook from getting a G4 until a year after the G4 was released? I'm just wondering if were making too many assumptions about a 970 PowerBook being released soon after the chip itself is released...

unclepain · 03:01 PM

doesn't anyone read the rules around here?

Falleron · Mar 25, 2003, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sparkleytone
a long time. there is really no point at the moment. the g4 has long legs when it comes to notebook usage. the powerbook should get a good 3-5 revs before switching architecture. that translates to a good two years.

the g4 in the notebook world is the chip to beat, and has been for a good two yrs now.

I really do believe that if the IBM chip gets a release this summer then the powerbook will get a slower version in the autumn. After all, its the year of the laptop. Just remember, the 1.2Ghz 970 uses less power than the G4, less heat which = a very good laptop. Not to mention the performance increase. Also, this would allow Apple to move the iBook to the G4 which will be better for OSX (being G4 optimised).

reyesmac · Mar 25, 2003, 02:20 PM

If they dont come out or announce new powermacs but the Panther demo runs really fast and smooth, then they have the G5 running the demo but not ready to announce yet.
I think they will just announce the new chip even if it takes them a long time to ship like the powerbook did. They can't compete anymore without it.

Mar 25, 2003, 01:09 PM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	PPC970 and WWDC Rumors: Part 2 MacBidouille feeds the fire with more rumors about the PowerPC 970 and WWDC. According to their most recent update, they claim that Apple's WWDC dates were indeed moved due to planning around the PowerPC 970. Configurations are reported at 1.4 GHz, 1.8 GHz, and dual 2.3 GHz with availability 6-8 weeks after the announcement. While they will not be sharing early benchmark results, they claim they are very exciting. MacBidouille has a variable history of accuracy with their rumor reporting. A top speed of 2.3GHz is contrary to public IBM claims on the max speeds of the new PPC 970s as well as rumors from CeBit. Last edited by arn : Mar 25, 2003 at 01:12 PM.

Mar 25, 2003, 01:14 PM	#3
PretendPCuser macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Northern, NJ	SWEET! Looking forward to it! All this waiting my not have been in vain. First? __________________ Hello!! Windows is spyware! The voice of reason has spoken.

Mar 25, 2003, 01:15 PM	#4
psxndc macrumors regular Join Date: May 2002	What I'd like to know... What I'd like to know is how you pronounce MacBidouille in the first place. I'm a dumb American that only speaks one language. Is it "Mac-Bi-dooey"? "Mac-Bi-dooley"? "Mac-Bi-day"? -p

Mar 25, 2003, 01:20 PM	#5
nakavori macrumors newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Inglaterra	french mac bee doo yuh, plus ou moins (more or less)

Mar 25, 2003, 01:21 PM	#7
junior macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2003	hmm... mac-bi-du-il?

Mar 25, 2003, 01:12 PM	#2
dabirdwell macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oklahoma	Now all we need is a 970 in a PowerBook. How long? Do we know the power usage figures?

Mar 25, 2003, 01:35 PM	#11
cc bcc macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: nl	I think there is to much difference in clockspeed and also the 2.3 GHz is a bit too high. I think we'll see 1.4, 1.8, 2x1.8 And that would still rock! Aight!?

Mar 25, 2003, 01:36 PM	#12
iloveMac macrumors newbie Join Date: Jan 2002	WOW!!! a dual 2.3ghz. I am slobbering right now.

Mar 25, 2003, 01:36 PM	#13
alset macrumors 65816 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: East Bay, CA	Doesn't sound to accurate to me. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but I won't really believe it until we see it from some more reliable sources. Dan __________________ alsetmusic.com standing on the shoulders of giants....

Mar 25, 2003, 01:38 PM	#14
eunuchs macrumors member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calgary, AB	This is worth a laugh. AHAHAHAHAHAHA... April Fools Day isn't until next week....

Mar 25, 2003, 01:52 PM	#15
j33pd0g macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central NY	With new PowerPC 970 machines mac users may win twice: 1. We may have faster macs available to us. 2. They may also do a hefty price drop on the current line up. To make room for the new stuff.

Mar 25, 2003, 01:55 PM	#16
Mr. Anderson Demi-God (Moderator) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Back in VA	But what I question is why just duals on the top end - that's a huge difference in performance and will it be two CPUs or 1 dual core CPU..... looking forward to finding out. D __________________ "Klaatu varada nikto!"

Mar 25, 2003, 01:59 PM	#17
Flynnstone macrumors 6502a Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cold beer land	Since this is a rumor, lets hypothesize on real world performance. I've heard that the 970 is upto 4 times faster than an equivalent G4. Lets assume 2 times. Front side bus (FSB) is approximately 5 time faster (970@6.4 vs G4@1.3). For bus constrained, 2 times is reasonable. A little apples and oranges, no apples and prunes here . A 1.8 GHz 970 would roughly be equivalent to a 3.6 GHz G4, about 2.9 speed up factor. Now lets use Adobe's recently released numbers for a P4 @ 3.06 GHZ and a dual G4 1.25GHz. Some say Adobe is not optimized for dual processors, so say a single and dual G4 are the same. The Adobe number for the G4 was 1 minute 25 seconds or 85 seconds. Take the 85 seconds for the G4 @ 1.25 and divide by our speed up factor of 2.9 and we get about 29 seconds. This is (theoretically) almost twice as fast as a P4@ 3.06GHz. Cool! __________________ "You can't solve you're problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems." - Einstein New iMac 24"/G5 1.8/...

Mar 25, 2003, 02:00 PM	#18
CheekyGit macrumors member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Alabama	Yum yum 1.4 Ghz = cool 1.8 Ghz = even cooler Dual 2.3 Ghz = Slobbering!!!! <wiping chin> I'll save my pennies for 970 PowerBook and Dual 2.3 Ghz PowerMac. This is great news. I'm glad I held off buying a 17" Powerbook. CheekGit

Mar 25, 2003, 02:00 PM	#19
minux Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Washington D.C	I do not think this will happen, and I for one am not holding my breath on it either. I would not xpect a new line of processors for about another year from Apple. Mike

Mar 25, 2003, 02:08 PM	#22
t^3 macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Corvallis, OR	Does anybody know what prevented the PowerBook from getting a G4 until a year after the G4 was released? I'm just wondering if were making too many assumptions about a 970 PowerBook being released soon after the chip itself is released...

Mar 25, 2003, 02:18 PM	#23
unclepain macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Beach VA	doesn't anyone read the rules around here? Last edited by Mr. Anderson : Mar 25, 2003 at 03:01 PM.

Mar 25, 2003, 02:20 PM	#25
reyesmac macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central Texas	If they dont come out or announce new powermacs but the Panther demo runs really fast and smooth, then they have the G5 running the demo but not ready to announce yet. I think they will just announce the new chip even if it takes them a long time to ship like the powerbook did. They can't compete anymore without it.

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