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Old Sep 27, 2006, 01:25 PM   #1
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Description:: If you were on a desert island and you could only take the following two machines:
1. A MacPro with all apps installed with no internet connection
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2. A Windows box with an internet connection, Firefox, IM, etc.

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Old Sep 27, 2006, 01:43 PM   #2
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I must be missing something here, but most switchers I know have switched because the 'operating system' matters because it doesnt get viruses or spyware. So either my brain works differently, or this article should be about why the Mac OS should be the primary choice because, aside from IM applications, it makes the internet a much safer and more enjoyable experince. The amount of windows users that I know who wont do hardly anything on the internet because they are frightend of viruses or spyware is annoyingly frustrating

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Old Sep 27, 2006, 02:22 PM   #3
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Windows. I need my internet. And the only virus/worm/trojan/spyware/adware I've ever gotten on my system was a bootsector virus on Windows 3.11 back in '95.

A little common sense goes a long way.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 02:24 PM   #4
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Assertion: the OS doesn't matter, because the Internet matters.

My response: the OS and the Internet BOTH matter.

Call me crazy

Re "the choice" -- I too would pick Windows + Internet. Keeping your Windows machine virus-free requires diligence and time spent educating yourself and taking the proper measures. It's not easy like on Mac. And on a desert island, I don't want easy, I want to pass the hours. I would appreciate the hobby of making myself an expert in keeping Windows secure.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 02:27 PM   #5
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Assertion: the OS doesn't matter, because the Internet matters.

My response: the OS and the Internet BOTH matter.

Call me crazy
Just boot straight to safari!
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 02:34 PM   #6
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Like the Sun Java Box concept really took off ...

Anyhow a Windows box usually means a windows OS, and the abitilty to download games.

A Java Box with with an internet connection might be more meaningful for an option to see if the OS is dead.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 02:49 PM   #7
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Simple choice...

I would take the MacPro because even though no internet, it would keep working and provide some use and entertainment.
The windoes box would slowly grind to a halt through registry-fug, viruses, adware, trojans, worms, and I wouldn't have the resources to reformat it, thus it would be worthless in a short time.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:02 PM   #8
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Strange logic..

If you were on a desert island, and you could only take one of:


- A Mac/PC with an internet connection - no food, drink or woman.

or

- A home entertainment system, huge HD TV, surround sound, fridge with an unlimited supply of food and drink, an eternal power generator, and a supermodel to keep you company.

I think even the most diehard Mac/PC fan would choose option 2.

Ergo - the Mac/PC and the Internet are dead.

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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:06 PM   #9
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Assertion: the OS doesn't matter, because the Internet matters.

My response: the OS and the Internet BOTH matter.

Call me crazy
Yeah, it's kind of like "Would you rather keep your head, or your neck?" -Futurama technology notwithstanding

I just wonder how I'm going to power these things on a desert island... Rabid racoon power?
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I hope you have a Netflix account, otherwise without a dish the entertainment center should be swapped for a 55 gallon drum of KY jelly and a 2nd supermodel.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:09 PM   #11
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The Computer is Dead.

no electricity on said desert island. in the event you run on batteries, you'd best choose option 2 so you can email for help to get off the damn island!
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:23 PM   #12
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I can see the OS becoming much less important in the future. As broadband connections increase and nice online Ajax apps become more common then who needs the OS? Right now I use Google Calander, Gmail, Picasa Web Albums, Google Spreadsheets, and Google Writely. MMOLRPGs such as WoW are also mainly housed online... While many of these apps are in their infancy and aren't suitable for professional level work, they do show the potential and part of the direction that Google is taking. I would think that all of this scares MS to death as Google is offering all of this for free! Too bad as Apple slowly develops these online apps as part of .mac they will continue to insist on charging $99 a year...
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:28 PM   #13
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back in the day, yes, I hated how windows progressively slowed down to death. I've used it on my brother's computer, 4yrs since the last install, and its faster than my OS10.4 PB, which is only 1.5 yrs old and has more RAM and office only apps. After putting up Zonealarm, ect, his computer experiences almost no problems, and given the P4 is more powerful than my G4, the minimal adware doesn't really appear to be a problem, just occasional wonky-ness with some apps. Sadly, or gladly, Windows XP security for the literate user appears to be stabilizing into a relative non-issue (imho)...until Vista...
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I hope you have a Netflix account, otherwise without a dish the entertainment center should be swapped for a 55 gallon drum of KY jelly and a 2nd supermodel.
I love my Mac and I love my Plasma and Stereo but I think you may have the best idea of all...
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:47 PM   #15
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back in the day, yes, I hated how windows progressively slowed down to death. I've used it on my brother's computer, 4yrs since the last install, and its faster than my OS10.4 PB, which is only 1.5 yrs old and has more RAM and office only apps. After putting up Zonealarm, ect, his computer experiences almost no problems, and given the P4 is more powerful than my G4, the minimal adware doesn't really appear to be a problem, just occasional wonky-ness with some apps. Sadly, or gladly, Windows XP security for the literate user appears to be stabilizing into a relative non-issue (imho)...until Vista...
The problem is that you have to install ZoneAlarm, AdAware, SpyBot, etc.

Using XP these days is a PITA! I'll admit that ZoneAlarm pretty much got rid of all my spyware problems, which don't always come from visiting porn/gambling sites. They come from any ol' site.
The thing that I hate most about XP is "Not Responding". I swear it happens once every 10 minutes no matter what program/comptuer i'm using.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:52 PM   #16
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I'd just choose the Windows box and download a good GNU/Linux distro.

When I switched back, I thought I'd miss OS X terribly, but it's not as big a deal as I thought. GNOME has really improved the last couple of years.

Windows, on the other hand, I can't stand ten minutes with.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:53 PM   #17
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Dead easy. Take the Windows box, fire up IE6, visit http://www.ubuntu.com and download live iso, burn to CD. Boot up in Linux.

Not elegant, but at least I don't have to use Windows. After all, I won't have time to virus scan whilst fighting off The Others, investigating what's down The Hatch and having multiple flashbacks will I?

EDIT: Beaten to it by peharri. At least if we're both stuck on the same island, we're not going to fight about it.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:54 PM   #18
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no electricity on said desert island. in the event you run on batteries, you'd best choose option 2 so you can email for help to get off the damn island!
My thoughts exactly. What the hell good is a computer going to do on a deserted island. How about option three, a boat?

Seriously though, I fail to see the point of that article. What kind of question is that? It would be like asking if you were stuck on a deserted island, which would you rather have, a dinghy with oars or a speedboat with no gas in it. It's a no brainer.
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How many lost islands have an internet connection?

If it does, just call/e-mail the internet provider and have them send a tech out for a poor service call, and offer to buy him lunch if he gives you a ride.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 03:58 PM   #20
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I'm afraid distributed computing is the way computers are going, but without some massive data pipes from the home to the Net, I just don't see this happening anytime soon.

I really don't want my Word, Excel, Desktop Publishing apps farmed out to some unidentifiable server/terminal server.

Wasn't this the original model of Microsoft's .net anyway? Isn't that dead?


I have yet to find any version of webmail that I would trade for a solid mail client and POP or IMAP.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 04:02 PM   #21
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I really don't want my Word, Excel, Desktop Publishing apps farmed out to some unidentifiable server/terminal server.

Wasn't this the original model of Microsoft's .net anyway? Isn't that dead?
Part of the leased software model ...

Still think MS will find a way to make their apps a multi-tier subscriber-based model at some point.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 05:18 PM   #22
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Part of the leased software model ...
In keeping with the rest of the discussion, I read this at "leased super model ..." at first
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Yeah, it's true that the Internet/Networking in general has become quite a fundamental factor in computing; but it all depends upon certain elements. First of all, it depends on whether the "No Internet" is stringent in its interpretation -- in the end, the Internet is simply a vast network; if I lose networking capabilities, then I'd take the Windows machine. But with a network, I can still do a lot of what I want.

At work, I would take the Mac Pro simply due to a. productivity and b. the fact that I don't use those resources at work -- sometimes I do when I'm on a break or bored, but it's not something I couldn't do without. At home it'd be more debatable, but if I could still do a majority of what I do, then I'd be fine without the Internet.

This whole "web 2.0" fascination -- one full of buzz words (Sound familiar dot com'ers?) -- is incredibly over-hyped. It hasn't proven to be viable in the Enterprise scape yet, and I don't find the thought of storing all my memories, documents, and personal files on Google's server, no matter how convenient a web-based Office program is.

In fact, of all the damned examples that Apple Matters listed as having online counterparts, I prefer having desktop versions. There's a reason I converged all my webmail accounts into Mail.app. iTunes does a lot more than being an internet client to a few services.
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Old Sep 27, 2006, 05:35 PM   #24
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Any more smart ideas?

How to get off the island with style in three steps: (even with a 2 hour battery-life)

1. Get Option 2
2. Buy a Mac on the Apple Store
3. Put your Windows laptop on eBay as a 1USD "Buy It Now" article and put as a shipment method: "local buy"


Then just wait for the guys and hope that Apple will ship to the island and someone will come to buy your windows laptop
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...And on a desert island, I don't want easy, I want to pass the hours. I would appreciate the hobby of making myself an expert in keeping Windows secure.
Good answer.
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