Apple Stock Irregularities Probe Completed, Fallout Begins

MacRumors · 06:17 PM

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In a press release issued today, Apple announced that its independent investigation into stock option grant irregularities has been completed. The investigation's key findings are as follows:

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-The investigation found no misconduct by any member of Apple's current management team.

-The most recent evidence of irregularities relates to a January 2002 grant.

-Stock option grants made on 15 dates between 1997 and 2002 appear to have grant dates that precede the approval of those grants.

-In a few instances, Apple CEO Steve Jobs was aware that favorable grant dates had been selected, but he did not receive or otherwise benefit from these grants and was unaware of the accounting implications.

-The investigation raised serious concerns regarding the actions of two former officers in connection with the accounting, recording and reporting of stock option grants. The company will provide all details regarding their actions to the SEC.

Steve Jobs had the following statement regarding the probe's findings:

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"I apologize to Apple's shareholders and employees for these problems, which happened on my watch. They are completely out of character for Apple" said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "We will now work to resolve the remaining issues as quickly as possible and to put the proper remedial measures in place to ensure that this never happens again."

With the investigation's end, former Apple CFO Fred Anderson (CFO 1996-2004) announced his resignation from Apple's board of directors, beginning the investigation's fallout. Earlier this year, Apple missed the deadline for reporting their 3Q filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission due to the accounting errors related to the "irregularities", which prompted Nasdaq to warn Apple of possible delistment from the exchange if the situation was not promptly rectified. Apple will most likely have to re-state historical financial statements.

Dozens of corporations, including Microsoft, Intuit, and Computer Associates, have announced that they are reviewing their option practices, which have come under increased scrutiny since enactment of the Sarbanes-Oxley corporate accountability law in 2002.

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hyperpasta · Oct 4, 2006, 06:06 PM

Stock's barely down. <Breathes sigh of relief>

avensis087 · Oct 4, 2006, 06:07 PM

should be relatively good news...hopefully when they restate eveything, the stock will hold up.

-mr

bdj21ya · Oct 4, 2006, 06:18 PM

Stock is down 58 cents (that's 58 cents less per share than when the market closed this afternoon) in off-hour trading. Not bad, but I'm surprised it's not up after this announcement. It seems as though they are saying that things won't be too bad. Of course, there is nothing here that gives any idea what the restatement amounts will be.

longofest · Oct 4, 2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bdj21ya

Stock is down 58 cents (that's 58 cents less per share than when the market closed this afternoon) in off-hour trading. Not bad, but I'm surprised it's not up after this announcement. It seems as though they are saying that things won't be too bad. Of course, there is nothing here that gives any idea what the restatement amounts will be.

Not that I'm a market EXPERT by any means, but what's past is past, especially when it is multiple years ago. I would expect the market to pay more attention to the fact that Apple just lost a board member. Also, remember that they haven't yet filed their 3Q SEC 10q, which if they don't get done quickly, could bump them off NASDAQ (that would be HUGE, but improbable).

NewSc2 · Oct 4, 2006, 06:28 PM

doesn't seem too bad.

bdj21ya · Oct 4, 2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by longofest

Not that I'm a market EXPERT by any means, but what's past is past, especially when it is multiple years ago. I would expect the market to pay more attention to the fact that Apple just lost a board member. Also, remember that they haven't yet filed their 3Q SEC 10q, which if they don't get done quickly, could bump them off NASDAQ (that would be HUGE, but improbable).

I agree that you're probably right. Losing the CFO is a bigger deal. You're also right that being delisted is quite unlikely. Several companies are still there after missing a few 10-Q's and even the more important annual 10-K form. I'm sure Apple will file their 10-Q as soon as the internal investigation can produce some final numbers for historical financial statements (necessary to get the right numbers on the 10-Q). I wouldn't be surprised however if this final report took place sometime around another positive announcement--just to minimize the blow. It will make it a lot harder for investors to decide that jumping ship is the right action for the time.

skoker · Oct 4, 2006, 06:45 PM

Well I am glad that at least it's over now.

hyperpasta · Oct 4, 2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bdj21ya

Losing the CFO is a bigger deal.

Apple didn't lose its CFO. It lost a board member, who happened to be a PREVIOUS CFO. They also claimed one other person was responsible, but we don't know who that is yet.

bdj21ya · Oct 4, 2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hyperpasta

Apple didn't lose its CFO. It lost a board member, who happened to be a PREVIOUS CFO. They also claimed one other person was responsible, but we don't know who that is yet.

good point, bad skimming on my part.

skunk · Oct 4, 2006, 07:13 PM

They also just gained a board member, so they're even.

bdj21ya · Oct 4, 2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skoker

Well I am glad that at least it's over now.

Umm, I don't think it's anywhere near over. It's like they want to announce things in stages to lessen the blow. I think that getting the numbers and finding out who else was responsible is what shareholders are interested in now.

rdrr · Oct 4, 2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skoker

Well I am glad that at least it's over now.

No it is not... This is from an independent investigation. The SEC still can find Apple at fault and fine them. Then there is always the possibility of some of the stock holders getting together and suing Apple.

WildCowboy · Oct 4, 2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rdrr

Then there is always the possibility of some of the stock holders getting together and suing Apple.

They already did that months ago...

skoker · Oct 4, 2006, 07:27 PM

I meant the independent investigation is over finally...

IJ Reilly · Oct 4, 2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by skunk

They also just gained a board member, so they're even.

I think they call that a "wash." Or if you're really lucky, a "wash and wax."

SeaFox · Oct 4, 2006, 07:57 PM

Yup, looks like all that hand wringing over a SEC investigation was rather overzealous. Not much ot see here.

Wonder how Dell's investigation will come out?

Doctor Q · Oct 4, 2006, 08:40 PM

Even though the press release is about both the investigation and about Fred Anderson, it doesn't explicitly say that this is why he's left the board.

It looks like Steve Jobs was "responsible" but not "to blame".

IJ Reilly · Oct 4, 2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Q

It looks like Steve Jobs was "responsible" but not "to blame".

I suppose it beats being to blame but not responsible.

twoodcc · Oct 4, 2006, 09:17 PM

well it could have been worse i guess. I hope the stock doesn't get hit in the near future though

mdntcallr · Oct 4, 2006, 09:45 PM

Well, i know it seems weird. but hell Apple seems to be in the bad zone on this.

they better come clean and fix the accounting. shareholders are the only ones who should worry though, as the accountants and lawyers are the only ones spending too much time on this one.

one question though, now that apple found the problems... HOW BAD IS IT????

that is the question everyone will want to know the answer to. hell if it isnt alot of shares, they can deal. but if it is hundreds of millions of dollar worth.... shame on them

tkidBOSTON · Oct 4, 2006, 09:57 PM

Honestly, as an accountant, I've noticed the Street often doesnt respond at all (either negatively nor favorably) to restatements usually. Often times its the hype around large public companies that makes the stock respond. I've had a large client make some rather large restatement and the street didnt look twice. They were too busy bumping the stock up based on some new product in the pipeline. If I were holding apple shares I wouldnt get too concerned until this makes the front page of CNN or a top story on your local news.

My $0.02.

Play Ultimate · Oct 4, 2006, 10:11 PM

Apple is not the only one that is running into these problems. Dell and Microsoft are on the hook as well. Apple, being the darling company, is just today's poster child.

For some reason, I believe that Dell and MS will have more problems getting this fixed than Apple will. And will take alot more flak considering their current stock price.

The Tuck · Oct 4, 2006, 10:15 PM

Steve Jobs is such a great guy. He seems like he's really giving his all to run this company and keep it operating smoothly.

Long live the Leader!

BenRoethig · Oct 4, 2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Q

Even though the press release is about both the investigation and about Fred Anderson, it doesn't explicitly say that this is why he's left the board.

It looks like Steve Jobs was "responsible" but not "to blame".

Someone had to take the fall and it was either Steve Jobs or Fred Anderson.

Oct 4, 2006, 06:06 PM	#2
hyperpasta macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Jersey	Stock's barely down. <Breathes sigh of relief> __________________ Aluminum iMac (Early 2009) 24", 2.66 GHz Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM, 640GB HD 10.5 Leopard, iLife '09, iWork '09 First Gen. iPod touch, 8 GB

Oct 4, 2006, 06:07 PM	#3
avensis087 macrumors member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Woodlands, TX	should be relatively good news...hopefully when they restate eveything, the stock will hold up. -mr __________________ 20" iMac Intel Core Duo 1.5 GB RAM 17" iMac G4 768 MB RAM 20 GB iPod (3rd Generation)...contemplating an upgrade

Oct 4, 2006, 06:28 PM	#6
NewSc2 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA	doesn't seem too bad. __________________ Mac Pro + 30" ACD, 15" MBP, iPhone 3GS Logic & Ableton user Canon 40D + 17-55 f/2.8 IS

Oct 4, 2006, 07:13 PM	#11
skunk macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Republic of Ukistan	They also just gained a board member, so they're even. __________________ "The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted the spoons." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Oct 4, 2006, 07:57 PM	#17
SeaFox macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somewhere Else	Yup, looks like all that hand wringing over a SEC investigation was rather overzealous. Not much ot see here. Wonder how Dell's investigation will come out? __________________ "In the room was the last person on Earth. Suddenly, there was a knock at the door..."

Oct 4, 2006, 06:18 PM	#4
bdj21ya macrumors 6502a Join Date: Sep 2006	Stock is down 58 cents (that's 58 cents less per share than when the market closed this afternoon) in off-hour trading. Not bad, but I'm surprised it's not up after this announcement. It seems as though they are saying that things won't be too bad. Of course, there is nothing here that gives any idea what the restatement amounts will be.

Oct 4, 2006, 06:45 PM	#8
skoker macrumors 68000 Join Date: Aug 2005	Well I am glad that at least it's over now.

Oct 4, 2006, 07:27 PM	#15
skoker macrumors 68000 Join Date: Aug 2005	I meant the independent investigation is over finally...

Oct 4, 2006, 08:40 PM	#18
Doctor Q macrumors god Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the table with countless relatives	Even though the press release is about both the investigation and about Fred Anderson, it doesn't explicitly say that this is why he's left the board. It looks like Steve Jobs was "responsible" but not "to blame". __________________ "You've just been abducted, of course you need crepes!" -- Walter Bishop

Oct 4, 2006, 09:17 PM	#20
twoodcc macrumors 603 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Right side of wrong	well it could have been worse i guess. I hope the stock doesn't get hit in the near future though __________________ tville pump Smarter than the average bear

Oct 4, 2006, 09:45 PM	#21
mdntcallr macrumors 65816 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA	Well, i know it seems weird. but hell Apple seems to be in the bad zone on this. they better come clean and fix the accounting. shareholders are the only ones who should worry though, as the accountants and lawyers are the only ones spending too much time on this one. one question though, now that apple found the problems... HOW BAD IS IT???? that is the question everyone will want to know the answer to. hell if it isnt alot of shares, they can deal. but if it is hundreds of millions of dollar worth.... shame on them __________________ "Bite my Shiny Metal Ass!" Bender (Futurama)

Oct 4, 2006, 09:57 PM	#22
tkidBOSTON macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Hub of the Universe	The Street Honestly, as an accountant, I've noticed the Street often doesnt respond at all (either negatively nor favorably) to restatements usually. Often times its the hype around large public companies that makes the stock respond. I've had a large client make some rather large restatement and the street didnt look twice. They were too busy bumping the stock up based on some new product in the pipeline. If I were holding apple shares I wouldnt get too concerned until this makes the front page of CNN or a top story on your local news. My $0.02. __________________ Hi, My name is tkidBOSTON... Mother always said, "If you have nothing nice to say..." TK

Oct 4, 2006, 10:11 PM	#23
Play Ultimate macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2005	Apple is not the only one that is running into these problems. Dell and Microsoft are on the hook as well. Apple, being the darling company, is just today's poster child. For some reason, I believe that Dell and MS will have more problems getting this fixed than Apple will. And will take alot more flak considering their current stock price.

Oct 4, 2006, 10:15 PM	#24
The Tuck macrumors regular Join Date: Jun 2003	Steve Jobs is such a great guy. He seems like he's really giving his all to run this company and keep it operating smoothly. Long live the Leader!

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