MS Wireless Laser 8000 Bluetooth mouse problem

[absurdio]

has anyone got this thing actually working yet?
All I have to hear in order to buy it is one user who can confirm that it has full functionality in os x and winxp. Anyone?

[thebeephaha]

Go get the Logitech MX Revolution, its perty, but only for right handed users. And would be bad for big hands. Or the MX 1000.

[Ironduke]

Originally Posted by absurdio

has anyone got this thing actually working yet?
All I have to hear in order to buy it is one user who can confirm that it has full functionality in os x and winxp. Anyone?

it wont have full function until ms release a driver that actually see's the mouse,v6.1(the latest doesnt)

[absurdio]

Originally Posted by thebeephaha

Go get the Logitech MX Revolution, its perty, but only for right handed users. And would be bad for big hands. Or the MX 1000.

Oh, I've been eyeing that, too, but it's not bluetooth. I have a wired mouse. That works fine, but nothing tops the raw sex-appeal of having to plug nothing in. If I decide I must settle for an r/f mouse, te mx revolution may be it. But for now, I'm still holding out hope for a good bluetooth option.

Originally Posted by Ironduke

it wont have full function until ms release a driver that actually see's the mouse,v6.1(the latest doesnt)

Do the side buttons do anything in osx now? does the scroll wheel even do anything? I guess basic functionality isn't anything to complain about, but it's a damn shame to see all those snazzy extra features go to waste.

[Ironduke]

Originally Posted by absurdio

Oh, I've been eyeing that, too, but it's not bluetooth. I have a wired mouse. That works fine, but nothing tops the raw sex-appeal of having to plug nothing in. If I decide I must settle for an r/f mouse, te mx revolution may be it. But for now, I'm still holding out hope for a good bluetooth option.



Do the side buttons do anything in osx now? does the scroll wheel even do anything? I guess basic functionality isn't anything to complain about, but it's a damn shame to see all those snazzy extra features go to waste.

I have the mS8000, the MX Rev.

I bought the mx rev due to the 8000 not supporting mac os x (the wheel works but the side buttons do nothing) yet still i have not sold on the 8000, this is because i use both windows and mac osx on my mini.

and im hoping ms will releasea driver after the christmas.

in window the 8000 is the better mouse to me, its expose ripoff and its fantastic zoom feature beat the mx, infact the only thing the mx wins on is its scroll wheel, its dual mode is beautiful. im gonna do a full review of each soon, its just a pitty with no mac driver the ms one is handicapped.

if you cant wait, the mx not being bluetooth does not cause it any problems its wireless pickup is smoother then a kashmirian cod piece

[Aniej]

Iron duke, is your name a reference to what I think it is?

[absurdio]

Originally Posted by Ironduke

I have the mS8000, the MX Rev.
if you cant wait, the mx not being bluetooth does not cause it any problems its wireless pickup is smoother then a kashmirian cod piece

Yeah, but, as others have said, if i wanted to plug anything in, i might as well get a wired mouse. The whole appeal of bluetooth is not having to plug in even a dongle. But if the 8000 isn't lookin' so great for osx yet, i'll just have to sit back and hope microsoft produces those drivers. phooey.

[Ironduke]

Originally Posted by Aniej

Iron duke, is your name a reference to what I think it is?

urrr whats that?

[viper0440]

I just purchased the Microsoft Mouse 8000 and after working with it for a long time have finally figured out the following procedure to successfully "connect" the mouse with OS X. I believe this is the best mouse available right now for any bluetooth notebook, Mac or PC.

The steps below have been verified to connect my Microsoft Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 8000 on my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.33 with Mac OS X 10.4.8, updates as of 1/1/2007.

1. Turn on the mouse
2. Press or hold down connect button until light flashes alternating red and green
3. Click Bluetooth tray icon; Browse Device...
4. If the device "Mouse" is not in the list click search, then click browse.
5. Next to search button it will say "Device does not have the necessary services."
6. Click Cancel; Quit Bluetooth File Exchange
7. Open System Preferences; Bluetooth; Devices section
8. Settings section; Click the device ID in the list of your mouse, Add to Favorites
9. Turn Bluetooth Off, Turn Bluetooth On
10. Light should stop blinking and the device will show up with status "Connected: Yes" in bluetooth device list.

Notes:
- The device name comes through as (null) and instead uses the device address for the name but this does not appear to effect functionality. Also OS X does not say that the device is "paired", only "connected" but it this doesn't seem to matter as it connects when available.
- When doing this I also had the Microsoft IntelliPoint 6.1 software installed, I'm not sure if it's necessary. In the Microsoft Mouse preference pane, About Microsoft Mouse, Mouse Info it states "No Microsoft mouse devices found".
- The mouse seems to be more jittery in OS X than it is in windows, possibly because the advanced features of the windows software like battery performance adjustment are not available.
- The left, right and pause/play buttons on the bottom appear to not work.
- The back and forward buttons can be programmed through the Dashboard & Expose preference pane as mouse button 4 and 5.
- It might be possible to use a mighty mouse or the following article to further configure buttons 4 and 5:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...50806042924384
- I also have the mouse installed and working with a Boot Camp partition on the same system. After it is initially setup in both OS'es it is not necessary to re-pair the mouse when switching between OS X and Windows.

[nsbio]

Originally Posted by viper0440

I just purchased the Microsoft Mouse 8000 and after working with it for a long time have finally figured out the following procedure to successfully "connect" the mouse with OS X. I believe this is the best mouse available right now for any bluetooth notebook, Mac or PC.

The steps below have been verified to connect my Microsoft Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 8000 on my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.33 with Mac OS X 10.4.8, updates as of 1/1/2007.

1. Turn on the mouse
2. Press or hold down connect button until light flashes alternating red and green
3. Click Bluetooth tray icon; Browse Device...
4. If the device "Mouse" is not in the list click search, then click browse.
5. Next to search button it will say "Device does not have the necessary services."
6. Click Cancel; Quit Bluetooth File Exchange
7. Open System Preferences; Bluetooth; Devices section
8. Settings section; Click the device ID in the list of your mouse, Add to Favorites
9. Turn Bluetooth Off, Turn Bluetooth On
10. Light should stop blinking and the device will show up with status "Connected: Yes" in bluetooth device list.

Notes:
- The device name comes through as (null) and instead uses the device address for the name but this does not appear to effect functionality. Also OS X does not say that the device is "paired", only "connected" but it this doesn't seem to matter as it connects when available.
- When doing this I also had the Microsoft IntelliPoint 6.1 software installed, I'm not sure if it's necessary. In the Microsoft Mouse preference pane, About Microsoft Mouse, Mouse Info it states "No Microsoft mouse devices found".
- The mouse seems to be more jittery in OS X than it is in windows, possibly because the advanced features of the windows software like battery performance adjustment are not available.
- The left, right and pause/play buttons on the bottom appear to not work.
- The back and forward buttons can be programmed through the Dashboard & Expose preference pane as mouse button 4 and 5.
- It might be possible to use a mighty mouse or the following article to further configure buttons 4 and 5:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...50806042924384
- I also have the mouse installed and working with a Boot Camp partition on the same system. After it is initially setup in both OS'es it is not necessary to re-pair the mouse when switching between OS X and Windows.

Oh my! So much for "just works"...

[absurdio]

Originally Posted by nsbio

Oh my! So much for "just works"...

Well, it's a step in the right direction...maybe by the time the next wave of bt mice comes out, this one will have made it to "full functionality."

[Ironduke]

Originally Posted by absurdio

Well, it's a step in the right direction...maybe by the time the next wave of bt mice comes out, this one will have made it to "full functionality."

ms are a holes they could have a fully functional mac driver out in a few days if they really wanted

[commander.data]

Originally Posted by viper0440

I just purchased the Microsoft Mouse 8000 and after working with it for a long time have finally figured out the following procedure to successfully "connect" the mouse with OS X. I believe this is the best mouse available right now for any bluetooth notebook, Mac or PC.

The steps below have been verified to connect my Microsoft Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 8000 on my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.33 with Mac OS X 10.4.8, updates as of 1/1/2007.

1. Turn on the mouse
2. Press or hold down connect button until light flashes alternating red and green
3. Click Bluetooth tray icon; Browse Device...
4. If the device "Mouse" is not in the list click search, then click browse.
5. Next to search button it will say "Device does not have the necessary services."
6. Click Cancel; Quit Bluetooth File Exchange
7. Open System Preferences; Bluetooth; Devices section
8. Settings section; Click the device ID in the list of your mouse, Add to Favorites
9. Turn Bluetooth Off, Turn Bluetooth On
10. Light should stop blinking and the device will show up with status "Connected: Yes" in bluetooth device list.

Notes:
- The device name comes through as (null) and instead uses the device address for the name but this does not appear to effect functionality. Also OS X does not say that the device is "paired", only "connected" but it this doesn't seem to matter as it connects when available.
- When doing this I also had the Microsoft IntelliPoint 6.1 software installed, I'm not sure if it's necessary. In the Microsoft Mouse preference pane, About Microsoft Mouse, Mouse Info it states "No Microsoft mouse devices found".
- The mouse seems to be more jittery in OS X than it is in windows, possibly because the advanced features of the windows software like battery performance adjustment are not available.
- The left, right and pause/play buttons on the bottom appear to not work.
- The back and forward buttons can be programmed through the Dashboard & Expose preference pane as mouse button 4 and 5.
- It might be possible to use a mighty mouse or the following article to further configure buttons 4 and 5:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...50806042924384
- I also have the mouse installed and working with a Boot Camp partition on the same system. After it is initially setup in both OS'es it is not necessary to re-pair the mouse when switching between OS X and Windows.

So I take it that although the initial setup may be a bit complicated, it works fine with basic functionality in OS X after that? I really want to get this mouse and as long as the left and right buttons, and the scroll wheel works in OS X, that's all I need. The advanced features I can use in Boot Camp so that should be enough.

My question is whether horizontal scrolling works in OS X and whether it works consistantly, like after the initial more difficult setup, it works without further steps necessary for subsequent restarts/startups/logins, etc. Otherwise I'd just get a Logitech V270, but that doesn't appear to have a horizontal scrolling feature. (At least it's not listed in the product specs. The V200 has it so it's really disappointing.)

[cyberdork33]

Yay! worked for me... finally, an open USB port!

Now to just wait for MS to get on the ball.

[rroof]

Originally Posted by viper0440

I just purchased the Microsoft Mouse 8000 and after working with it for a long time have finally figured out the following procedure to successfully "connect" the mouse with OS X. I believe this is the best mouse available right now for any bluetooth notebook, Mac or PC.

The steps below have been verified to connect my Microsoft Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 8000 on my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.33 with Mac OS X 10.4.8, updates as of 1/1/2007.

1. Turn on the mouse
2. Press or hold down connect button until light flashes alternating red and green
3. Click Bluetooth tray icon; Browse Device...
4. If the device "Mouse" is not in the list click search, then click browse.
5. Next to search button it will say "Device does not have the necessary services."
6. Click Cancel; Quit Bluetooth File Exchange
7. Open System Preferences; Bluetooth; Devices section
8. Settings section; Click the device ID in the list of your mouse, Add to Favorites
9. Turn Bluetooth Off, Turn Bluetooth On
10. Light should stop blinking and the device will show up with status "Connected: Yes" in bluetooth device list.

Notes:
- The device name comes through as (null) and instead uses the device address for the name but this does not appear to effect functionality. Also OS X does not say that the device is "paired", only "connected" but it this doesn't seem to matter as it connects when available.
- When doing this I also had the Microsoft IntelliPoint 6.1 software installed, I'm not sure if it's necessary. In the Microsoft Mouse preference pane, About Microsoft Mouse, Mouse Info it states "No Microsoft mouse devices found".
- The mouse seems to be more jittery in OS X than it is in windows, possibly because the advanced features of the windows software like battery performance adjustment are not available.
- The left, right and pause/play buttons on the bottom appear to not work.
- The back and forward buttons can be programmed through the Dashboard & Expose preference pane as mouse button 4 and 5.
- It might be possible to use a mighty mouse or the following article to further configure buttons 4 and 5:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...50806042924384
- I also have the mouse installed and working with a Boot Camp partition on the same system. After it is initially setup in both OS'es it is not necessary to re-pair the mouse when switching between OS X and Windows.

A bit much, but this worked for me as well. Thank you very much. Maybe we should all bombard MS for some OS X drivers now Jeez. Pity - damn fine mouse with the brushed aluminum house that matches the MacBook Pro, Bluetooth, accurate laser, etc.

[dpope]

Has anyone tried the MS wireless pointer notebook mouse:

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mo...emRequirements

This seems more notebook friendly (smaller, etc...) and also has buttons that can be used in presentations. I'm not sure if any of these advanced features work in OS X but I'm now trying to decide between this mouse and the standard wireless 8000 (which looks okay but is not specifically supposed to be a notebook mouse).

[cyberdork33]

Originally Posted by dpope

Has anyone tried the MS wireless pointer notebook mouse:

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mo...emRequirements

This seems more notebook friendly (smaller, etc...) and also has buttons that can be used in presentations. I'm not sure if any of these advanced features work in OS X but I'm now trying to decide between this mouse and the standard wireless 8000 (which looks okay but is not specifically supposed to be a notebook mouse).

Well on that page it specifically mentions how the zoom will work in OSX, but so does the Standard Laser 8000. Seeing as how it is going to rely on the latest version of Intellipoint, I am going to guess it will be similarly lacking until MS releases new drivers.

IDK if it was like this before (I actually remember it not saying anything about Mac before)... On this page: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mo.../Download.mspx you can choose the Wireless Laser Mouse 8000 and then choose OSX as the operating system, but then there is no selections for language and you cannot download. Maybe something is about to be released?

[Ironduke]

Originally Posted by cyberdork33

Well on that page it specifically mentions how the zoom will work in OSX, but so does the Standard Laser 8000. Seeing as how it is going to rely on the latest version of Intellipoint, I am going to guess it will be similarly lacking until MS releases new drivers.

IDK if it was like this before (I actually remember it not saying anything about Mac before)... On this page: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mo.../Download.mspx you can choose the Wireless Laser Mouse 8000 and then choose OSX as the operating system, but then there is no selections for language and you cannot download. Maybe something is about to be released?

its been like that for a few weeks, the presenter mouse is nice but it has disadvantage, it needs new batteries, the 8000 uses a charging dock

[struktur]

Originally Posted by viper0440

I just purchased the Microsoft Mouse 8000 and after working with it for a long time have finally figured out the following procedure to successfully "connect" the mouse with OS X. I believe this is the best mouse available right now for any bluetooth notebook, Mac or PC.

The steps below have been verified to connect my Microsoft Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 8000 on my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.33 with Mac OS X 10.4.8, updates as of 1/1/2007.

1. Turn on the mouse
2. Press or hold down connect button until light flashes alternating red and green
3. Click Bluetooth tray icon; Browse Device...
4. If the device "Mouse" is not in the list click search, then click browse.
5. Next to search button it will say "Device does not have the necessary services."
6. Click Cancel; Quit Bluetooth File Exchange
7. Open System Preferences; Bluetooth; Devices section
8. Settings section; Click the device ID in the list of your mouse, Add to Favorites
9. Turn Bluetooth Off, Turn Bluetooth On
10. Light should stop blinking and the device will show up with status "Connected: Yes" in bluetooth device list.

Notes:
- The device name comes through as (null) and instead uses the device address for the name but this does not appear to effect functionality. Also OS X does not say that the device is "paired", only "connected" but it this doesn't seem to matter as it connects when available.
- When doing this I also had the Microsoft IntelliPoint 6.1 software installed, I'm not sure if it's necessary. In the Microsoft Mouse preference pane, About Microsoft Mouse, Mouse Info it states "No Microsoft mouse devices found".
- The mouse seems to be more jittery in OS X than it is in windows, possibly because the advanced features of the windows software like battery performance adjustment are not available.
- The left, right and pause/play buttons on the bottom appear to not work.
- The back and forward buttons can be programmed through the Dashboard & Expose preference pane as mouse button 4 and 5.
- It might be possible to use a mighty mouse or the following article to further configure buttons 4 and 5:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...50806042924384
- I also have the mouse installed and working with a Boot Camp partition on the same system. After it is initially setup in both OS'es it is not necessary to re-pair the mouse when switching between OS X and Windows.

Thanks for detailed help, but I still can´t get it to work. I have the exact same specs (MacBook Pro CoreDuo). I complete all 10 steps fine, but the last one (turn bluetooth off and on, and the mouse should stop flashing red/green) do not complete....

The mouse show up in the bluetooth-pref-pane as described...

Help!!! Thxs

[kimnkk]

Originally Posted by viper0440

The back and forward buttons can be programmed through the Dashboard & Expose preference pane as mouse button 4 and 5.

Does this mean i can use the mouse buttons 4 and 5 as back and forward buttons in any program (e.g Firefox) or only in Expose and dashboard?

Sorry, i haven't used OS X before but i'm looking at picking up an MS Laser 8000 and Macbook if they work together to an extent.

[absurdio]

Another question: some people have mentioned that the performance/battery-life slider is not available in OS X. It obviously is in windows. If you're running both (through bootcamp or however else), do the preferences you set in windows apply when the mouse is being used for os x, or do the mouse settings only hold for each OS?
That is: if I set the performance/battery-life slider all the way to the performance end while I'm using Windows, will the mouse retain that setting when I'm back to OS X, or will it go back to its default setting?
If all you get in OS X is basic functionality, this question makes a bit of difference to me. I might be able to tolerate the mouse's impaired feature-set in OSX as long as it's performance is still good (and not jittery, for instance).

Thanks.

Also, any news on those drivers?

[orbitalpunk]

guys, guys... please. you cant expect MS to supply great drivers for a mac. only mac 3rd developers can. I was surprisingly pleased to discover SteerMouse takes care of all your troubles. My 8000 works on my mac pro and macbook pro with steermouse installed and no MS drivers installed what so ever. Side buttons and scroll wheel(even side to side) to. and i dont need that MS dongle either for my macbook pro. on restarts it still works. so do youself a favor and at the same time support an excellent mac developer and go buy SteerMouse. Actually i used them before I even bought my MS 8000 cause my old intellipoint wouldn't move like it would in windows and steermouse provided advanced settings and highly custom application specific configurations to fit my needs.

http://plentycom.jp/en/steermouse/

Enjoy.

[Lukree]

Wow thanks for the link Orbitalpunk!

I managed to get it working with these drivers. Also the configuration options seems to be much better! The scrolling speed is also now great! ;D

But these drivers were shareware, so they only work for 15 days without buying?

[absurdio]

Well, that was all I needed to hear. Got the mouse yesterday. Love it. Thanks to SteerMouse, all the buttons work, scrolling is smooth, and I'm quite pleased.

My only real question now: the status light is almost never on. It's on when the mouse is charging...or if you make the mouse discoverable, it blinks green and red. but otherwise the light is off. Is it supposed to be like that, or is it supposed to be always on? Anyone?

[Ironduke]

Originally Posted by absurdio

Well, that was all I needed to hear. Got the mouse yesterday. Love it. Thanks to SteerMouse, all the buttons work, scrolling is smooth, and I'm quite pleased.

My only real question now: the status light is almost never on. It's on when the mouse is charging...or if you make the mouse discoverable, it blinks green and red. but otherwise the light is off. Is it supposed to be like that, or is it supposed to be always on? Anyone?

I think it only comes on when its low on charge, I was using one with windows, the battery that comes with the 8000 is almost double the mA of the Logitech MX im using, so unless u leave it laying about all the time you are not using it, you should never get a low battery warning