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Petition For AirPort Extreme in iBooks

APE is overkill for 95% of home market

I am sure the main reson why Apple did not inlclude APE is that it was not needed.
Think about it.
Most homes in the US still use DIAL UP. Less than 50% have broadband. Even those that do have DSL/Cable it does not exceed what standard airport can deliver.
For those homes with two computers that need to be networked, the liklihood that both machines will be wifi ready is low. The only real need in a consumer machines for APE is file exchange. Although very fast and nice, the VASt majority will be happy with the speeds of regular airport. I know using a regular ap network, even copying 600 meg files is not bad. Now imaging a 20 gig drive then I would want APE, but few 'iBook market' consumers will really need this.
I LOVE APE but its not a requirement for home use. I do not know the hardware costs difference for Apple, but I am sure they left it out because it really was not needed, it costs more, and it helps differentiate the pro line. If you MUST have APE then you probably need more power and other PB features anyhow.
 
Re: Petition For AirPort Extreme in iBooks

Originally posted by bradz_id
I have been waiting forever (Over a year) for a good iBook update to come along and they got so close. There is still no AirPort Extreme!!!

Go to www.petitiononline.com/ibookxtr to sign the petition.
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ya know internet petitions mean nothing right? sort of like online IQ tests
 
oh great, no any more stupid petitions. give it up people, so dumb. i thought this was just a phase for some people and it was over. get a powebook.

iJon
 
This petition will do nothing, it's stupid, and childish. I'm willing to guess when the iBooks get a SERIOUS revision that they'll get Airport Extreme.

Why not question about the 15" PB and why it doesn't have Airport Extreme.
 
i actually can see a big need for APE. if they made a card that fit in the old airport slots, it could benefit a lot of people.

believe it or not, some places (businesses, schools) may have a number of older iMacs or the like floating around. wouldn't it be nice to be able to network those all a bit faster?

and as far as iBooks in particular go, what about schools? i am sitting in my dorm's lounge typing on one now. many of my friends have iBooks. the campus network has sometimes been known to allow speeds faster than airport can handle, and peeople might want to share directly between computers. are all us students really supposed to go out and get new powerbooks?

just some things to think about. just because *households* can't handle APE doesn't mean there aren't other areas using the same equipment that can.
 
Originally posted by baby duck monge
i actually can see a big need for APE. if they made a card that fit in the old airport slots, it could benefit a lot of people.

believe it or not, some places (businesses, schools) may have a number of older iMacs or the like floating around. wouldn't it be nice to be able to network those all a bit faster?

and as far as iBooks in particular go, what about schools? i am sitting in my dorm's lounge typing on one now. many of my friends have iBooks. the campus network has sometimes been known to allow speeds faster than airport can handle, and peeople might want to share directly between computers. are all us students really supposed to go out and get new powerbooks?

just some things to think about. just because *households* can't handle APE doesn't mean there aren't other areas using the same equipment that can.
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well when you are transferring with airport extreme it isnt much faster, plus the whole 150 feet isnt airport extreme. you have to be with 50 feet of the station to get the. chances are in most big buildings you may not be within 50 feet of the airport base station and you are back at b. its not that big of a deal. i have seen nothing special with airport extreme, i would take my old linksys router over it anyday.

iJon
 
Quit your bitching and Buy a Powerbook if you want it. Do you do that much file transfering that this is a problem? Probably not. You just think this is going to make your internet connection faster. GUESS WHAT IT IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT. Quit your whining and open your checkbook and buy a Powerbook. Next you'll be bitching about how you need a G4 and APE in an iBook. Sounds alot like the 12" powerbook to me.
 
Originally posted by baby duck monge
i actually can see a big need for APE. if they made a card that fit in the old airport slots, it could benefit a lot of people.

believe it or not, some places (businesses, schools) may have a number of older iMacs or the like floating around. wouldn't it be nice to be able to network those all a bit faster?

and as far as iBooks in particular go, what about schools? i am sitting in my dorm's lounge typing on one now. many of my friends have iBooks. the campus network has sometimes been known to allow speeds faster than airport can handle, and peeople might want to share directly between computers. are all us students really supposed to go out and get new powerbooks?

just some things to think about. just because *households* can't handle APE doesn't mean there aren't other areas using the same equipment that can.
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The iBook is the baseline model. If you want more / better features or hardware, you have to buy the PowerBook. That is why there are 2 seperate lines.

As for faster networking; that was solved ages ago with cat5 cable. 100 versus 11... which should I choose? Not 50-something, that is for sure. And I am sure that your campus network has had 10/100 capabilities for years 🙄

If you want to flame Apple, at least use your brain first! 😡 idiot
 
Airport Extreme is a benefit of the new Intrepid chipset, the current iBook is running the Pangea chipset.

Airport is tagged off the IDE line, while Airport Extreme requires a PCI connection -- which Pangea may not have.

You could be asking for something that is impossible on the current iBook architecture.

It may be something that requires an architecture change to accomplish, which means it'll probably happen with the next form factor change.

You might as well be asking for USB2.x and FW800 to be added to the current iBook while you're at it -- which is equally unlikely under Pangea. 🙄
 
Originally posted by yzedf


If you want to flame Apple, at least use your brain first! 😡 idiot
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Hey, I Don't think he was trying to flame apple,( even so don't call em an Idiot(you don't want to get banned for this etc) ) I think he was trying to make an uninformed comment on how APE is good, and what he would like to have it in his consumer lvl computer. I understand...I think. But do remember that the only things that need to be networked wirelessly are the ibook's. and the ibooks lack the PCI card that is needed for thouse APE's. So the schools and companies that have no money would have to buy newer ibooks that are capable, and schools like to suck every ounce of power out of something before they move on...
 
Wow, what a way to welcome people to MR. Seriously, what is it with you people. Why don't you try politely informing him why you think apx isn't that beneficial. Oh, 'cuz you're so much more intelligent than him and you simply don't have time for "ignoramuses" unless it's to berate them.🙄 🙄 🙄
 
Hey It may not be a great welcome but it does provide a lesson. Educate yourself on something before you open your mouth about it. We are all guilty of that in some shape or form.
 
so sorry that i am an "idiot" for wanting to take full advantage of the network we have here without buying a new computer.

and seriously, if you would have read what i posted, you would know i was not even coming close to "flaming" apple. i didn't even say they were bad or stupid for not including this technology in the update. all i said is that i could see where there would be a need for these speeds in situations where people would not be using powermacs/books.

please, before you get all high and mighty, think about what is really being said and then temper your reaction to us "plebes."
 
I would like APE in my G4 MDD DP1ghz but it's not gonna happen.

The phrase of the day is ,"Deal with it."


Originally posted by baby duck monge
so sorry that i am an "idiot" for wanting to take full advantage of the network we have here without buying a new computer.

and seriously, if you would have read what i posted, you would know i was not even coming close to "flaming" apple. i didn't even say they were bad or stupid for not including this technology in the update. all i said is that i could see where there would be a need for these speeds in situations where people would not be using powermacs/books.

please, before you get all high and mighty, think about what is really being said and then temper your reaction to us "plebes."
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Originally posted by baby duck monge
so sorry that i am an "idiot" for wanting to take full advantage of the network we have here without buying a new computer.

and seriously, if you would have read what i posted, you would know i was not even coming close to "flaming" apple. i didn't even say they were bad or stupid for not including this technology in the update. all i said is that i could see where there would be a need for these speeds in situations where people would not be using powermacs/books.

please, before you get all high and mighty, think about what is really being said and then temper your reaction to us "plebes."
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think about what you are making (a petetion) and then have some common sense. if you dont like how the ibooks are now, spend the extra and get a powerbook.

iJon
 
Originally posted by Macpoops
Hey It may not be a great welcome but it does provide a lesson. Educate yourself on something before you open your mouth about it. We are all guilty of that in some shape or form.
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Any community, even an online online one, should exist to help people grow - in knowledge, social interaction, etc. Your response and the responses of many others stunt the social atmosphere of MR by berating those who should instead be instructed in the proper methods of communication. Instead, you glaringly show your own lack of communication skills. Several people already have managed to politely show why the lack of apx in ibooks really isn't that big of a deal. Please take the time to learn how to communicate. I sure would hate to see MR end up like /. and other flame-pits. I appriciate the overall sense of community too much.
 
Seems to me that the only ibook users who might want to take advantage of AE are students whose campuses have fast networks. But I'm an ibook using student, and my campus' network is neither wireless, nor fast enough for AE to matter if it was wireless.

I just don't think AE is needed in ibooks. Sure it would be nice if it could be done at no cost to apple (and hence no cost to customers), but given that it would (from my understanding) require remodeling the motherboard, I just don't see the expense as justified.

And if the ibooks got AE, really, what would the 12" PB have over it except for a G4? Bluetooth? I'm gonna pay $500 more for a g4 with a (slightly) lower clockspeed and so that my pda can talk to my computer without a wire? I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that would not be a good use of that $500.
 
Originally posted by Kyle?
Any community, even an online online one, should exist to help people grow - in knowledge, social interaction, etc. Your response and the responses of many others stunt the social atmosphere of MR by berating those who should instead be instructed in the proper methods of communication. Instead, you glaringly show your own lack of communication skills. Several people already have managed to politely show why the lack of apx in ibooks really isn't that big of a deal. Please take the time to learn how to communicate. I sure would hate to see MR end up like /. and other flame-pits. I appriciate the overall sense of community too much.
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i think more people were mad (like me) because he started a petition. there was a phase some months ago where their were petitions non stop and they were very annoying. we know your trying to get apple to hear you but they make sure they know more than you do, and there is probably a very good reason why they dont have airport extreme.

iJon
 
Originally posted by Kyle?
Any community, even an online online one, should exist to help people grow - in knowledge, social interaction, etc. Your response and the responses of many others stunt the social atmosphere of MR by berating those who should instead be instructed in the proper methods of communication. Instead, you glaringly show your own lack of communication skills. Several people already have managed to politely show why the lack of apx in ibooks really isn't that big of a deal. Please take the time to learn how to communicate. I sure would hate to see MR end up like /. and other flame-pits. I appriciate the overall sense of community too much.
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/. or MR or any other politically charged forum will eventually become a flame fest. That is the nature of a forum that has broad appeal to those of different backgrounds / viewpoints. The online community will never reach utopia. It can't. There is more than one opinion, more than one point of view. Look at the hard line OSS people as an example; do you really think most realize that they are preaching socialism? I highly doubt it.

That being said; I stand by my original post degrading the parent of this thread. If you want pick nits... beware of the consequences.
 
IF you do not like the content then ignore it. It is not hard to do.

If you have to post why not try, "please do not post petitions" or try and talk to the mods to ban petitions. There is no need to attack someone who is has good intentions. Sometimes I read posts here and wonder if a bunch of twelve year olds are leading the discusions.
 
glad to see that things are getting slightly less derogatory around here...

i just want to point one thing out...
most of the anger directed at me was unfounded. i was flamed for, what has now been stated multiple times, disgust at the notion of a petition and the start of this thread.

notice that i was not the originator of the thread, nor did i make any mention of the petition at all. i have not signed the petition, nor have i encouraged others to do so. all i did was point out reasons that a certain hardware configuration might be desirable when other people did not seem to see any use for it.

i also did not comment about the feasibility of adding the hardware, just that it would be welcome if included.

to those who provided reasons for why it was impractical to add such a feature to the iBook, thus actually contributing to the discussion: thank you.
to those who could do nothing more than bash people for their ideas and come up with no better contribution than "buy a new computer": i hope you can find meaning in your life some other way than bashing others.
 
Originally posted by yzedf
/. or MR or any other politically charged forum will eventually become a flame fest. That is the nature of a forum that has broad appeal to those of different backgrounds / viewpoints. The online community will never reach utopia. It can't. There is more than one opinion, more than one point of view. Look at the hard line OSS people as an example; do you really think most realize that they are preaching socialism? I highly doubt it.

That being said; I stand by my original post degrading the parent of this thread. If you want pick nits... beware of the consequences.
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If you want to post personal attacks...beware the consequences.

These are moderated forums, which means any member who consistently causes problems via flamewars, spamming or anything else will be banned. Period.

Be a part of the solution by reporting posts, not part of the problem by condoning or participating in unacceptable behavior.
 
Originally posted by Kyle?
Any community, even an online online one, should exist to help people grow - in knowledge, social interaction, etc. Your response and the responses of many others stunt the social atmosphere of MR by berating those who should instead be instructed in the proper methods of communication. Instead, you glaringly show your own lack of communication skills. Several people already have managed to politely show why the lack of apx in ibooks really isn't that big of a deal. Please take the time to learn how to communicate. I sure would hate to see MR end up like /. and other flame-pits. I appriciate the overall sense of community too much.
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I have little tolerance for people who open their mouths quickly and hastily without any knowledge of what they are talking about. I also do not have much tolerance for people who condemn me for being "mean." I know how to communicate. I just don't see the point sugar coating things. I don't see why we need to waste the time to explain my opinion.
I made my point. That was the objective of my post. NOW SINCE I DON"T KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE: The objective of this post is to tell you that is to tell you to stop being such a [edited] and worrying about how other people specifically myself, communicate.

[mod edit - No need for personal attacks. First and only warning.]
 
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