Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 9A343 Seeded to Developers

MacRumors · Jan 18, 2007, 10:34 PM

According to published reports on the internet, Apple has seeded a new release of Leopard (Seed 9A343) to developers tonight. The last version of Leopard (3A321) was seeded December 13th, 2006.

Apple actually has itemized a few of changes to Leopard from the last seed, including:

- HIToolbox provides new HIRect/Point/Shape-based Window Manager API for resolution independence compatibility
- Tab support in Terminal
- Terminal now lets you save a multi-window configurations through workspaces which are available through the "Terminal" menu.
- QuickLook APIs have been updated

According to Apple, Leopard is coming "spring 2007".

Silentwave · Jan 18, 2007, 10:37 PM

Each seed brings us closer to perfection

Actually, tabs in Terminal sounds cool. Maybe they'll think about putting them in FINDER too

Perhaps they're saving that for 10.5 build 9A365

P-Worm · Jan 18, 2007, 10:38 PM

Is it just me, or do these pointed out features, seem to be drawing our attention from something big? Either that or there are going to be a lot of dissappointed people when 10.5 is revealed. What average person wants tabbed terminal windows when the terminal is hardly used in the first place?

P-Worm

mrkramer · Jan 18, 2007, 10:39 PM

So does anyone know how stable it is now?

jericho53 · Jan 18, 2007, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-Worm

Is it just me, or do these pointed out features, seem to be drawing our attention from something big? Either that or there are going to be a lot of dissappointed people when 10.5 is revealed. What average person wants tabbed terminal windows when the terminal is hardly used in the first place?

P-Worm

Exactly, tabbed terminal. Who cares?

BlueRevolution · Jan 18, 2007, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-Worm

Is it just me, or do these pointed out features, seem to be drawing our attention from something big? Either that or there are going to be a lot of dissappointed people when 10.5 is revealed. What average person wants tabbed terminal windows when the terminal is hardly used in the first place?

P-Worm

I use it. Not multiple sessions or anything, but I use it.

I do agree though. Seriously underwhelming feature list. When do we get to see the new UI?

shrimpdesign · Jan 18, 2007, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jericho53

Exactly, tabbed terminal. Who cares?

It's not like Apple is marketing it as a big feature.

There are still big top secret features yet to be releaved with Leopard. All the little stuff is getting updated in the developer preview, like QuickLook and tabbed terminal.

Daveway · Jan 18, 2007, 10:55 PM

With each build I grown more weary of how awesome the shipping version will be. How amazing can these features be if they don't require developers to adapt their software. For instance, if Apple were to completely revamp the UI like many are expecting, wouldn't Apple have to seed out the development package for it? So i don't see a radically new UI in the works for that reason.

I'm thinking these new features will simply be new programs that simply sit on top of Leopard. Not so exciting (as dashboard, etc.) IMHO.

Xander562 · Jan 18, 2007, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shrimpdesign

=There are still big top secret features yet to be releaved with Leopard.

Lets hopes so, This'll be my first OSX release where i'd actually be excited for, (before i was never really into macs) and I better be blown away by it.

Chaszmyr · Jan 18, 2007, 11:06 PM

While the seeds help them test things, they are seeded to developers so developers can develop. The features they point out are things useful for developers to know about.

bignumbers · Jan 18, 2007, 11:06 PM

There are some pretty serious upgrades within the innards of Leopard. They might be waiting to get those API's stable, then release some fancy stuff based on those API's.

Developers will go to town with 10.5. You'll see a whole slew of really wacky animated interfaces for sure. To what benefit, we'll have to wait and see.

oceanmonster · Jan 18, 2007, 11:07 PM

Does anyone think that apple is hiding the new UI and keeping it out of the developer builds?

ricksbrain · Jan 18, 2007, 11:08 PM

Choosing to be excited is far more entertaining.

Rocketman · Jan 18, 2007, 11:11 PM

10.x releases tend to have pretty major stability issues related to the secret features. I would wait for 10.5.1 to do an install.

Also what is the very first day of Spring 2007 technically?

Rocketman

ChrisA · Jan 18, 2007, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-Worm

Is it just me, or do these pointed out features, seem to be drawing our attention from something big? Either that or there are going to be a lot of dissappointed people when 10.5 is revealed. What average person wants tabbed terminal windows when the terminal is hardly used in the first place?

P-Worm

I was just going to comment "Wow Tabs in Terminal -- Something I'll actually use" and then I saw your comment. I use this feature a lot (as in like 8 hours a day) in Linux.

You'd be surprised how many users are coming to Mac OX from UNIX backgrounds.

Marlor · Jan 18, 2007, 11:13 PM

I really miss tabbed terminals. I used to use them in Linux all the time, and hate the mess of terminal windows that I get with OS X.

These are developer-related features of course. The big new surprises for Leopard aren't going to be in the dev builds, otherwise they would be leaked within a heartbeat.

Stridder44 · Jan 18, 2007, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocketman

...I would wait for 10.5.1 to do an install.

Is the smartest thing I've read so far in this thread. Early adopters (developers aside), have fun. I'm waiting for 10.5.1 or 2 to get out first before I make the jump. I'm not gonna lie tho, I'm giddy like a schoolgirl for Leopard.

bousozoku · Jan 18, 2007, 11:20 PM

The lack of information is either one of the following:

an attempt to keep big features safe from implementation elsewhere
a lack of features
a very delayed project schedule

I hope it's just that they're moving slowly.

The tabs in Terminal sound good to me. It'll be one place that I could use window management.

uanightswimmer · Jan 18, 2007, 11:22 PM

For those of you who want a multi-tab terminal, try iTerm.

Linksgolfer84 · Jan 18, 2007, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oceanmonster

Does anyone think that apple is hiding the new UI and keeping it out of the developer builds?

There's no chance that this release will have a "new" UI. The thought is completely ridiculous. Just look at how minor that UI changes have been since 10.0. Apple said to expect more "features," not a new look.

The next overhaul to the UI will not go under the name OSX

reckless_0001 · Jan 18, 2007, 11:23 PM

Actually, I use Terminal about ten times or more a day at work. For ssh and other oddities.

yay! tabs, for separate connections.

mduser63 · Jan 18, 2007, 11:28 PM

Another frequent Terminal user here. If I'm using Terminal (which is nearly every day), I usually have multiple windows open, so tabs in Terminal is a very welcome feature.

Still, I'd like to hear more about the "top-secret" features in Leopard, and am also hoping for some semi-major UI changes.

iJon · Jan 18, 2007, 11:31 PM

I remember when I was popping that 10.0 disc in the computer and using OS X. It was absolutely beautiful and useless at the same time. Hope they show us the new features soon.

jon

tuartboy · Jan 18, 2007, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jericho53

Exactly, tabbed terminal. Who cares?

Meeeee.

I live in iTerm.

crispoe · Jan 18, 2007, 11:33 PM

It takes a long time to certify drivers that come in HP, Dell, Sony, and Lenovo laptops.

Jan 18, 2007, 10:34 PM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 9A343 Seeded to Developers According to published reports on the internet, Apple has seeded a new release of Leopard (Seed 9A343) to developers tonight. The last version of Leopard (3A321) was seeded December 13th, 2006. Apple actually has itemized a few of changes to Leopard from the last seed, including: - HIToolbox provides new HIRect/Point/Shape-based Window Manager API for resolution independence compatibility - Tab support in Terminal - Terminal now lets you save a multi-window configurations through workspaces which are available through the "Terminal" menu. - QuickLook APIs have been updated According to Apple, Leopard is coming "spring 2007".
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Jan 18, 2007, 10:37 PM	#2
Silentwave macrumors 68000 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gainesville, FL	Each seed brings us closer to perfection Actually, tabs in Terminal sounds cool. Maybe they'll think about putting them in FINDER too Perhaps they're saving that for 10.5 build 9A365 __________________ + R3D Macs, Cameras and way too much data for a sane person to have to store.
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Jan 18, 2007, 10:39 PM	#4
mrkramer macrumors 68040 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere	So does anyone know how stable it is now? __________________ "Jesus was the first socialist, the first to seek a better life for mankind." -Mikhail Gorbachev
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Jan 18, 2007, 10:55 PM	#8
Daveway macrumors 68040 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Orleans / Lafayette, La	With each build I grown more weary of how awesome the shipping version will be. How amazing can these features be if they don't require developers to adapt their software. For instance, if Apple were to completely revamp the UI like many are expecting, wouldn't Apple have to seed out the development package for it? So i don't see a radically new UI in the works for that reason. I'm thinking these new features will simply be new programs that simply sit on top of Leopard. Not so exciting (as dashboard, etc.) IMHO. __________________ Spare me my life.
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:20 PM	#18
bousozoku Retired (Moderator emeritus) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gone but not forgotten.	The lack of information is either one of the following: an attempt to keep big features safe from implementation elsewhere a lack of features a very delayed project schedule I hope it's just that they're moving slowly. The tabs in Terminal sound good to me. It'll be one place that I could use window management.
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Jan 18, 2007, 10:38 PM	#3
P-Worm macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Salt Lake City, UT	Is it just me, or do these pointed out features, seem to be drawing our attention from something big? Either that or there are going to be a lot of dissappointed people when 10.5 is revealed. What average person wants tabbed terminal windows when the terminal is hardly used in the first place? P-Worm
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:06 PM	#10
Chaszmyr macrumors 601 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boulder, CO	While the seeds help them test things, they are seeded to developers so developers can develop. The features they point out are things useful for developers to know about.
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:06 PM	#11
bignumbers macrumors regular Join Date: May 2002	There are some pretty serious upgrades within the innards of Leopard. They might be waiting to get those API's stable, then release some fancy stuff based on those API's. Developers will go to town with 10.5. You'll see a whole slew of really wacky animated interfaces for sure. To what benefit, we'll have to wait and see.
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:07 PM	#12
oceanmonster macrumors regular Join Date: Jan 2007	Does anyone think that apple is hiding the new UI and keeping it out of the developer builds?
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:08 PM	#13
ricksbrain macrumors regular Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Miami, FL	Choosing to be excited is far more entertaining.
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:11 PM	#14
Rocketman macrumors 601 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Claremont, CA	10.x releases tend to have pretty major stability issues related to the secret features. I would wait for 10.5.1 to do an install. Also what is the very first day of Spring 2007 technically? Rocketman
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:13 PM	#16
Marlor macrumors regular Join Date: Jun 2005	I really miss tabbed terminals. I used to use them in Linux all the time, and hate the mess of terminal windows that I get with OS X. These are developer-related features of course. The big new surprises for Leopard aren't going to be in the dev builds, otherwise they would be leaked within a heartbeat.
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:22 PM	#19
uanightswimmer macrumors newbie Join Date: Nov 2006	Tabbed Terminal For those of you who want a multi-tab terminal, try iTerm.
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:23 PM	#21
reckless_0001 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canada	Actually, I use Terminal about ten times or more a day at work. For ssh and other oddities. yay! tabs, for separate connections.
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:28 PM	#22
mduser63 macrumors 68040 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Salt Lake City, UT	Another frequent Terminal user here. If I'm using Terminal (which is nearly every day), I usually have multiple windows open, so tabs in Terminal is a very welcome feature. Still, I'd like to hear more about the "top-secret" features in Leopard, and am also hoping for some semi-major UI changes. __________________ 27" 2.93 GHz Core i7 iMac, 12 GB RAM 2.3 GHz Retina MacBook Pro 12" 1.33 GHz Superdrive PowerBook G4, 1.25 GB RAM iPhone 5, iPad 3, etc.
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:31 PM	#23
iJon macrumors 604 Join Date: Feb 2002	I remember when I was popping that 10.0 disc in the computer and using OS X. It was absolutely beautiful and useless at the same time. Hope they show us the new features soon. jon
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Jan 18, 2007, 11:33 PM	#25
crispoe macrumors member Join Date: Oct 2005	Aosx It takes a long time to certify drivers that come in HP, Dell, Sony, and Lenovo laptops.
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