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Thoughts on Music
Steve Jobs' Thoughts on Music linked from Apple.com http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ Quote:
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Join Date: May 2006
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Seems more reasonable than I thought it would be...
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It appears that Apple is looking for the lawmakers to 'oblige' the music industry to stop imposing DRM on digital downloads.
I wonder how the 'Big Four' will respond to these comments, if at all?
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macrumors Demi-God
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Apple will sell DRM free music as soon as the others agree to do the same.Thus making it a level playing field.
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Steve Jobs 'Thoughts on Music'
![]() This afternoon, Steve Jobs posted an article entitled "Thoughts on Music" on Apple.com. In the article, he addresses recent calls for Apple and iTunes to "open" the digital rights management system on iTunes to allow other digital devices to play iTunes music and to allow other music store media to play on the iPod. He reminds readers that the iPod can play unprotected content, and gives background on the reason for for digital rights management. He then explores three different alternatives for the future: 1) Stay the course "with each manufacturer competing freely with their own “top to bottom” proprietary systems for selling, playing and protecting music. " 2) License FairPlay to other companies. "The most serious problem is that licensing a DRM involves disclosing some of its secrets to many people in many companies, and history tells us that inevitably these secrets will leak. .... Apple has concluded that if it licenses FairPlay to others, it can no longer guarantee to protect the music it licenses from the big four music companies" 3) Abolish DRMs entirely. "If the big four music companies would license Apple their music without the requirement that it be protected with a DRM, we would switch to selling only DRM-free music on our iTunes store. Every iPod ever made will play this DRM-free music." Jobs argues that DRM doesn't work effectively and believes that Digital Rights Management should not be required by music companies. "Convincing them to license their music to Apple and others DRM-free will create a truly interoperable music marketplace. Apple will embrace this wholeheartedly." Apple has come under increasing pressure from some European consumer groups regarding FairPlay, perhaps prompting the article. Last edited by longofest : Feb 6, 2007 at 03:14 PM. |
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Steve really points out the hypocrisy of the music industry, but without actually using that word.
Go Steve! |
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macrumors 68000
Join Date: Jun 2003
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There is the DRM on DVDs to prevent you from making a copy of a movie but then again what's to stop people from bypassing that? Obviously I can be done. So where are the studios then? They still use the same copy protection granted it's been breached. Why should Apple or any other company have to update their software in said amount of time from when a breach occurs?
Steve is right and not because he's the one who said it.
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Dear Norway...
I just sent an email to the Torgeir Waterhouse, the Senior advisor of the Norwegian Consumer Council who has already responded to Steve Jobs letter and basically said, nice try but not good enough. I just had to send him my thoughts on the matter. His email address is at the bottom if anyone would like to add a thought or two.
Dear Mr. Waterhouse, I just read a response made by you to the letter Steve Jobs released today regarding DRM, iTunes and the iPod. I felt compelled to let you know that most people agree 100% with Mr. Jobs regarding the solution to this issue. All music should be completely DRM free, and the consumer should be able to decide from there which music player, jukebox software, operating system, computer platform they wish to use. The power to do that lies entirely in the hands of the music labels, which is who you should be targeting. Apple is completely within their rights to sell hardware (iPod) that works with only with their own software. That is part of what makes their products a joy to use, because that tight integration of hardware and software is what makes the experience seamless, reliable, and headache free. To change that would create an inferior product, and thus a less satisfying experience for the consumer. Your argument that tying the iPod to iTunes and vice versa is somehow wrong, illegal, or against consumers best interests is without any merit whatsoever. There is plenty of choice in digital music today. There is few, if any consumers who have a problem with the selection of music players, the software that plays them and the ways in which they are combines. What people do have a problem with is that they are not free to play music that they have legally bought where they want, when they want and how they want. That is something only the record labels can change. If you want to do something useful, beneficial and constructive, leave Apple alone and focus on the real problem. Respectfully yours, ____ You can email him at torgeir.waterhouse@forbrukerradet.no |
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Meanwhile the music industry still so much last century. I thank god the we have Apple and Steve. without these two it would be a very backwards technology world.
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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You are kidding right? Please tell me you are... who was the one that made the iTunes store files playable only on the iPod (including Motorola's phone)? Who was the one that cried when Real Media cracked those files? If he cared so much about US the customers and really wanted us to do whatever the hell we wanted with our songs, then he would have made iTunes compatible with all the player in the world... he is so hypocritical, but he wants to sell iPods so we can't really blame him.
Its all about the money... This is just another PR game... and Steve is very good at it! |
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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The solution is not playsforsure or any other current DRM.
I call it OpenDRM. It's a DRM that is cross-platform and will play on any mp3 player.This allows the record industry to breath a little better while creating healthy competition between various online music sellers. These "OpenDRM" songs could be downloaded from any music service and played on any player. The various online services could compete for business in any legal fashion. |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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It's true, he's selling Apple, but hey I rather have Apple that most of the time give me great products (hardware & software) than go to Microsoft, Dell and others. At least at the end of the day I have a great user experience and my computer and iPod is 99% reliable. That's what I want and Steve is offering me it.
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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hypocricy = inconsistency or disparity in business terms, lol.
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Get an iPod
I really don't think other players should be allowed to use itunes. Itunes is an integral part for the iPod which helps it separate itself from the competition. If you want to use iTunes get an iPod.
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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100% truth being spoken here. I have to applaud Apple/Steve for coming out and being open about this. Its a refreshing change.
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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I want to see Steve's open letter on Vista and Gates' and Balmer's public comments. That will be a keeper, and please let it be released in Quicktime too. The expressions will be priceless. Rocketman Hi Steve See you at the rocket launch.
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Other players can sync with the DRM-less music at the moment.
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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DRM-free, downloadable music... as if that is ever gonna happen.
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Well-said Steve.
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macrumors 68040
Join Date: Apr 2003
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I thought that was a very good article. I'm pleased to read that Apple would embrace non DRM music store, if it could - and recongises that this would be a benefit to the consumer, over the hideous situation we face today - that is - vendor lock-in.
SJ is correct when he says that vendor lock in represents only a small percentage of music. But face it - downloading music is more convienent IMO. As music stores become more popular, Apple and otherswill face increased pressure to license out their DRM - read: which ever music store is the most popular at the time. People say - if you don't like it buy a CD. HOWEVER, they are missing a HUGE point. You cannot go into HMV and buy music on a track by track basis like you can with iTunes - or any other store for that matter. That is a major pull of online music stores. I found it interesting to read regarding the 'time limit' that apple have to fix DRM breaches. 97% of music is DRM-free - its only digital music that is DRMed - which represents a very small amount. When you put it like that - DRM sounds like a very strange beast, indeed. You won't beat piracy when you have a situation like this. As for 'you should only use iTMS if you have an iPod'. Get real. I'm glad you like you consumer rights being limited.
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