iPod <-> iPod Cable?

MacRumors · May 30, 2003, 03:15 PM

MacWhispers reports that a new iPod dock cable -- one with a full-dock connector on each end -- is to go into production over the next 30days. According to the site, the other iPod cables in production limit the actual wires to the functions being utilized, while this one has all 32 wires in place.

nagromme · May 30, 2003, 03:43 PM

It's to facilitate pirating of music! Cool...

Bunzi2k4 · May 30, 2003, 03:52 PM

kinda ironic huh?new itunes makes you pay for downloading music while they are thinking of making ipod cables for transfering music... funny... but hey, i'm not gonna get an ipod any time soon so it doesn't matter

bikertwin · May 30, 2003, 04:42 PM

Obviously, it's not for stealing music.

But if this rumor is to be believed, what is the cable for?

AppleMatt · May 30, 2003, 04:54 PM

Playing the games head-to-head in a furious battle...he who wins has pride and glory, he who loses has his iPod formatted.

It's a cruel world nowadays, are you up to the challange?

AppleMatt

Niknar · May 30, 2003, 05:09 PM

I don't think this will be iPod to iPod connector sounds a little silly.

So the question is if this cable has more connectors/wires that aren't used when connected to a firewire port why dose the iPod need all these connectors?

Could this be for connecting a mic or something?

rainman::|:| · May 30, 2003, 07:05 PM

absolutely and totally fake. i don't have any proof but come on people, if you know apple at all (and the recording industry) you should know this isn't going to happen. Obviously if they let you transfer music, the iTunes store would lose it's contracts... and i'm sorry, there's really nothing else to use it for. Would you buy a whole separate docking apparatus to transfer AddressBook info? Why not just plug it into the Mac to begin with?

i wouldn't even say this is Page 2 fodder, except for "what the hell?" value...

pnw

macdong · May 30, 2003, 07:12 PM

a cable for mic, i say.

WannabeSQ · May 30, 2003, 08:24 PM

maybe it is a cable for the DJ ipod thing, hook up a regular ipod and a DJ ipod for some mixing.

bennetsaysargh · May 30, 2003, 09:42 PM

not for stealing music. don't know what it could be, but it better be cool

melchior · May 30, 2003, 10:27 PM

yeah, why is everyone jumping to the conclusion this is for trading music?

anyway, i have a question!

what does anyone know abaout the 'ipod dock connector' has anyone seen one before? is it entirely proprietory? any info is welcomed.

nagromme · May 31, 2003, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nagromme
It's to facilitate pirating of music! Cool...

I thought I'd made on obvious joke... but to be extra clear: it's an obvious joke

Neither Apple nor I would ever support piracy.

The cable may well be real, though, for SOMETHING. MacWhispers was right about the last inexplicable cable they reported--the USB/Firewire Y-cable. It turned out to be a coming iPod accessory for PCs: the data-by-USB-while-charging-by-Firewire-connected-to-the-power-brick cable.

All the extra pins already present on current docking connectors do suggest that Apple has future iPod plans... it will be interesting to see what.

nagromme · May 31, 2003, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by melchior
what does anyone know abaout the 'ipod dock connector' has anyone seen one before? is it entirely proprietory? any info is welcomed.

It's a new iPod-only proprietary thing from Apple, and somewhat mysterious.

Some have said it's just a thinner alternative to a Firewire port, to allow the iPods to be thinner and more rounded. But it's more than that: it has many more pins than are used for Firewire. Perhaps future accessories will use them for something? Everything from wireless remotes to audio recording to fancier docks has been rumored. In any case, it seems likely that the new connector has reasons we don't yet know.

The dock itself is entirely optional--basically just a big adapter that sticks on the end of the cable. Without the dock, you can plug the same cable directly into the iPod's docking connector.

theFly · May 31, 2003, 11:24 AM

If you think "logically" about this, take the rumor of a DJ iPod and this cable. It would seem that the cable could be one to connect the iPod to a DJ mixing board.

Granted, it wouldn't be a "standard" connection.

The cable could also be used to output a stereo system box, one that has standard outs and allows a remote to control the iPod.

Then you have Steve's comment about using the iPod not to view videos, but to output to an external device.

So many choices.

theFly
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MacWhispers · May 31, 2003, 11:36 AM

This report seemed (and seems) illogical to me. (Yes, I know, I published it... because it's true... that said...)

I have sat and drawn dozens of possible interconnect concepts that would hook the iPod into a myriad of fanciful devices, many of which would benegit from havign a full link to all of the iPod's control and signal pins. That said, though, whenever I've come up wiht one that seems to make some sense of this cable, I run into the same problem: Having the exact same connector on both ends of the cable means this "mystery device" would also have to have the exact same dock port on it as does the iPod... which means it could be plugged into any of the docking cables, and plugged into a Mac or PC, directly. AT this point, my imagination dries up.

What sort of product would (A) be usefully plugged into a full connection to the iPod, (B) *safely* and purposefully be plugged into a Mac or PC by Firewire and/or USB 2.0... *without* the iPod being involved, but (C) not both of these at the same time? (assuming just one such dock connector port is on the mystery device)

I know the freaking cable's real, but, I'm a complete blank on how on earth it makes any sense.

And, yes, it's frustrating me a little.

iJon · May 31, 2003, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by paulwhannel
absolutely and totally fake. i don't have any proof but come on people, if you know apple at all (and the recording industry) you should know this isn't going to happen. Obviously if they let you transfer music, the iTunes store would lose it's contracts... and i'm sorry, there's really nothing else to use it for. Would you buy a whole separate docking apparatus to transfer AddressBook info? Why not just plug it into the Mac to begin with?

i wouldn't even say this is Page 2 fodder, except for "what the hell?" value...

pnw

well hold on a second. i agree with you but what about this. if was meant to hook up two ipods, how would you transfer the music, isnt apple the only ones who know how to make software for the ipod, unless the cables run through a computer as well how would you transfer the info. but i do agree with you that its a fake. there would be no point. isnt the only reason apple made this port is because its skinnien that a regular firewire port?

iJon

AppleMatt · May 31, 2003, 03:52 PM

Guys, it's just a cable.

I don't want to offend anyone, but please.

AppleMatt
(waiting for "not any cable, an APPLE cable!")

Analog Kid · May 31, 2003, 07:02 PM

Why hasn't anyone asked the obvious question? Is this a pass-through or a cross over cable?

If someone knows that all 32 wires are connected, they probably know the pin to pin connections...

melchior · May 31, 2003, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Analog Kid
Why hasn't anyone asked the obvious question? Is this a pass-through or a cross over cable?

If someone knows that all 32 wires are connected, they probably know the pin to pin connections...

it's not an ethernet cable...

Spock · May 31, 2003, 08:37 PM

A Music store station at Apple Stores?? Wasn't their a rumor about having music store stations at Apple Stores?? That would be cool, plug in, buy music, download, Sync.

Wardofsky · Jun 1, 2003, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spock
A Music store station at Apple Stores?? Wasn't their a rumor about having music store stations at Apple Stores?? That would be cool, plug in, buy music, download, Sync.

That means new software/upgrades.
If they do, I hope they put some more features in.

AppleMatt · Jun 1, 2003, 04:19 AM

Now THAT'S a good idea, it would allow people with a slow connection to get all their music quick, and...

...it would allow Windows iPod users access to the Apple music store ahead of time.

Apple are crafty

AppleMatt

dethl · Jun 1, 2003, 05:00 AM

Hrm, this is awfully familiar of the proprietary InterConnect port located on the Newton Messagepad 2x00's. These had multiple connectors, and the only thing Apple used it for was an adapter so you could hook it via the serial port to your mac. Some brave person actually modded these adapters to create headphone out and microphone in ports.

I wonder if the multiple pins located on the iPod connector will be used as a microphone? Maybe it will go to a small LCD-Display/Remote? Has Apple even given us a document on the mapping out of this connector?

I'm so glad I ordered one of these

yuri_koval · Jun 1, 2003, 07:52 AM

The cable could be for transfering Contacts or notes or even files. you know, instead of giving your name card to that person, you just connect eachother's iPods and transfer Contacts. Its like that Nintendo Gamboy. two player game ??

bennetsaysargh · Jun 1, 2003, 09:39 AM

also, maybe as a bonus, a two player game! although i don't know anyone else with a new iPod, that would still be cool. anyway, it could be for contacts and calanders, but i think it could be for anything. i havn't the slightest clue.

May 30, 2003, 03:15 PM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	iPod <-> iPod Cable? MacWhispers reports that a new iPod dock cable -- one with a full-dock connector on each end -- is to go into production over the next 30days. According to the site, the other iPod cables in production limit the actual wires to the functions being utilized, while this one has all 32 wires in place.
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May 30, 2003, 03:43 PM	#2
nagromme macrumors G4 Join Date: May 2002	It's to facilitate pirating of music! Cool... __________________ nagromme What happens when corporations buy the government? Americans have returned to receiving 1960s wages, despite being twice as productive.
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May 30, 2003, 03:52 PM	#3
Bunzi2k4 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego, California	I like Mac's style... kinda ironic huh?new itunes makes you pay for downloading music while they are thinking of making ipod cables for transfering music... funny... but hey, i'm not gonna get an ipod any time soon so it doesn't matter
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May 30, 2003, 07:12 PM	#8
macdong macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	a cable for mic, i say. __________________ If Microsoft is the future, we are history.
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May 31, 2003, 07:02 PM	#18
Analog Kid macrumors 68020 Join Date: Mar 2003	wiring Why hasn't anyone asked the obvious question? Is this a pass-through or a cross over cable? If someone knows that all 32 wires are connected, they probably know the pin to pin connections... __________________ Only trolls use the word "fanboy".
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May 30, 2003, 04:42 PM	#4
bikertwin macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: This Old House	Obviously, it's not for stealing music. But if this rumor is to be believed, what is the cable for?
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May 30, 2003, 04:54 PM	#5
AppleMatt macrumors 68000 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK	Playing the games head-to-head in a furious battle...he who wins has pride and glory, he who loses has his iPod formatted. It's a cruel world nowadays, are you up to the challange? AppleMatt
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May 30, 2003, 05:09 PM	#6
Niknar macrumors member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Scotland	I don't think this will be iPod to iPod connector sounds a little silly. So the question is if this cable has more connectors/wires that aren't used when connected to a firewire port why dose the iPod need all these connectors? Could this be for connecting a mic or something?
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May 30, 2003, 07:05 PM	#7
rainman::\|:\| macrumors 601 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: iowa	absolutely and totally fake. i don't have any proof but come on people, if you know apple at all (and the recording industry) you should know this isn't going to happen. Obviously if they let you transfer music, the iTunes store would lose it's contracts... and i'm sorry, there's really nothing else to use it for. Would you buy a whole separate docking apparatus to transfer AddressBook info? Why not just plug it into the Mac to begin with? i wouldn't even say this is Page 2 fodder, except for "what the hell?" value... pnw
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May 30, 2003, 08:24 PM	#9
WannabeSQ macrumors 6502 Join Date: Oct 2002	maybe it is a cable for the DJ ipod thing, hook up a regular ipod and a DJ ipod for some mixing.
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May 30, 2003, 09:42 PM	#10
bennetsaysargh macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York	not for stealing music. don't know what it could be, but it better be cool
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May 30, 2003, 10:27 PM	#11
melchior macrumors 65816 Join Date: Nov 2002	yeah, why is everyone jumping to the conclusion this is for trading music? anyway, i have a question! what does anyone know abaout the 'ipod dock connector' has anyone seen one before? is it entirely proprietory? any info is welcomed.
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May 31, 2003, 11:24 AM	#14
theFly macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2003	If you think "logically" about this, take the rumor of a DJ iPod and this cable. It would seem that the cable could be one to connect the iPod to a DJ mixing board. Granted, it wouldn't be a "standard" connection. The cable could also be used to output a stereo system box, one that has standard outs and allows a remote to control the iPod. Then you have Steve's comment about using the iPod not to view videos, but to output to an external device. So many choices. theFly www.flyonthemac.com Rumors You Can Bet On
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May 31, 2003, 11:36 AM	#15
MacWhispers macrumors member Join Date: Feb 2003	This report seemed (and seems) illogical to me. (Yes, I know, I published it... because it's true... that said...) I have sat and drawn dozens of possible interconnect concepts that would hook the iPod into a myriad of fanciful devices, many of which would benegit from havign a full link to all of the iPod's control and signal pins. That said, though, whenever I've come up wiht one that seems to make some sense of this cable, I run into the same problem: Having the exact same connector on both ends of the cable means this "mystery device" would also have to have the exact same dock port on it as does the iPod... which means it could be plugged into any of the docking cables, and plugged into a Mac or PC, directly. AT this point, my imagination dries up. What sort of product would (A) be usefully plugged into a full connection to the iPod, (B) safely and purposefully be plugged into a Mac or PC by Firewire and/or USB 2.0... without the iPod being involved, but (C) not both of these at the same time? (assuming just one such dock connector port is on the mystery device) I know the freaking cable's real, but, I'm a complete blank on how on earth it makes any sense. And, yes, it's frustrating me a little.
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May 31, 2003, 03:52 PM	#17
AppleMatt macrumors 68000 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK	Guys, it's just a cable. I don't want to offend anyone, but please. AppleMatt (waiting for "not any cable, an APPLE cable!")
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May 31, 2003, 08:37 PM	#20
Spock macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Vulcan	A Music store station at Apple Stores?? Wasn't their a rumor about having music store stations at Apple Stores?? That would be cool, plug in, buy music, download, Sync.
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Jun 1, 2003, 04:19 AM	#22
AppleMatt macrumors 68000 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK	Now THAT'S a good idea, it would allow people with a slow connection to get all their music quick, and... ...it would allow Windows iPod users access to the Apple music store ahead of time. Apple are crafty AppleMatt
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Jun 1, 2003, 05:00 AM	#23
dethl macrumors regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX	Hrm, this is awfully familiar of the proprietary InterConnect port located on the Newton Messagepad 2x00's. These had multiple connectors, and the only thing Apple used it for was an adapter so you could hook it via the serial port to your mac. Some brave person actually modded these adapters to create headphone out and microphone in ports. I wonder if the multiple pins located on the iPod connector will be used as a microphone? Maybe it will go to a small LCD-Display/Remote? Has Apple even given us a document on the mapping out of this connector? I'm so glad I ordered one of these
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Jun 1, 2003, 07:52 AM	#24
yuri_koval macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: K-PAX	file transfer The cable could be for transfering Contacts or notes or even files. you know, instead of giving your name card to that person, you just connect eachother's iPods and transfer Contacts. Its like that Nintendo Gamboy. two player game ?? __________________ http://yarylonews.sytes.net
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Jun 1, 2003, 09:39 AM	#25
bennetsaysargh macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York	also, maybe as a bonus, a two player game! although i don't know anyone else with a new iPod, that would still be cool. anyway, it could be for contacts and calanders, but i think it could be for anything. i havn't the slightest clue.
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