Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard - Still Waiting

MacRumors · 06:10 PM

Ars Technica posts a somewhat speculative article on why they feel that Leopard will not be ready by April. This is based on developer sources indicating that Mac OS X betas tend to ramp up over 6 weeks prior to launch, and that current builds are not currently stable enough.

Based on their best guesses, they point to "June" as a possible timeframe.

At MacRumors, we're not big fans of speculation but historically, it is true that developer seeds become more frequent as the final release approaches.

What's also clear is that Apple has stated that there are "secret" features that have yet been revealed, and it seems unlikely that these "secret" features will be casually revealed in a developer seeding. Typically, Apple would showcase new features at some form of media event.

At this point, we only have two upcoming Apple media events on our calendars: NAB on April 15th, and WWDC 2007 in June. The NAB event will likely be centered around Final Cut Pro and WWDC 2007 will certainly be Mac OS X focused.

Apple has stated a number of times that Leopard's target release is "Spring 2007" which would place the release between now and June.

Eidorian · Mar 22, 2007, 06:07 PM

*waits for Top Secret Features*

I like what we have with Spotlight, Safari, and OS X Server. I still haven't seen anything worth calling TOP SECRET though. There's still more the Leopard then what we have.

Lixivial · Mar 22, 2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Eidorian

*waits for Top Secret Features*

Top secret feature #1 has been revealed in the article!

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One more tip we got regarding Leopard, is that InputManager plugins are no longer allowed. That's right... no more little hacks from anybody besides Apple. No more Apple menu hacks. No more Safari plugins. (InputManager is not exactly the same as APE, by the way.) "Apple isn't really broken up about it since InputManagers were often used for nefarious purposes anyway," our sources said, but the loss of InputManager control will break a lot of shareware and commercial software that currently makes use of that control. "

So long SIMBL, we hardly knew ye.

It's correct, though, most of the publicized malware present in OS X has used InputManagers.

sachamun · Mar 23, 2007, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Eidorian

*waits for Top Secret Features*

I like what we have with Spotlight, Safari, and OS X Server. I still haven't seen anything worth calling TOP SECRET though. There's still more the Leopard then what we have.

Of course you haven't seen anything TOP SECRET...

MauiMac · Mar 23, 2007, 01:59 AM

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Of course you haven't seen anything TOP SECRET...

The "TOP SECRET" features will probably not be as MIND BLOWING as some people might think...

Dokter_Mac · Mar 23, 2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MauiMac

The "TOP SECRET" features will probably not be as MIND BLOWING as some people might think...

That's where you are wrong!
Anyone ask themselves why "Inputmanagers" will be locked in Leopard?
Think about it? Because it's a security issue (like in the past) and because it's a reason that could endanger the release from Leopard!
To bad for developers that are making use of it... They will have to be creative and think about it.
It's not the first time that a release from Apple is killing apps from developrs because Apple want to control something or give it for free.

kcroy · Mar 23, 2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Eidorian

*waits for Top Secret Features*

I like what we have with Spotlight, Safari, and OS X Server. I still haven't seen anything worth calling TOP SECRET though. There's still more the Leopard then what we have.

You heard it from me before, and I will say it again, (send me kudos when it is announced) Leopard will amazingly allow you to share your computer to your iPhone and Apple TV. You will be able to check email and surf on your TV in your living room, and you will be able to operate your computer from your phone. You will also be able to share all media content seemlessly between the three. Screen sharing on Apple TV and iPhone allows your computer to house the memory and power and simply uses the your television and iphone to mirror the screen. It's simply genius. Everyone will want all three and a .Mac account to boot. Also, it will be unveiled in June. This is why it's Top Secret.

Porchland · Mar 23, 2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kcroy

You heard it from me before, and I will say it again, (send me kudos when it is announced) Leopard will amazingly allow you to share your computer to your iPhone and Apple TV. You will be able to check email and surf on your TV in your living room, and you will be able to operate your computer from your phone. You will also be able to share all media content seemlessly between the three. Screen sharing on Apple TV and iPhone allows your computer to house the memory and power and simply uses the your television and iphone to mirror the screen. It's simply genius. Everyone will want all three and a .Mac account to boot. Also, it will be unveiled in June. This is why it's Top Secret.

I definitely think there are bigger plans for

tv. Consider:
* It's built for HD, but there's no Apple Store HD content yet. That will change very soon.
*

tv can talk to directly to your router, but right now there's no way to buy content except from the computer. That'll change too.
*

tv is in position to challenge cable/satellite outright, but there's no a cost-effective subscription plan or PPV movie plan yet. Surely, that's coming.

Throw in the iPhone and a brand new OS, and there are lots of possibilities.

AidenShaw · Mar 23, 2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kcroy

Leopard will amazingly allow you to share your computer to your iPhone and Apple TV. You will be able to check email and surf on your TV in your living room, and you will be able to operate your computer from your phone.

So amazing, in fact, that Windows Mobile phones have been able to do this for at least 4 years.

(Windows Mobile has a remote desktop client - so you can open the PC from the phone. Of course, Windows Mobile also has Internet Explorer and Outlook, so you don't need the PC to surf and check mail.)

CoreWeb · Mar 23, 2007, 10:55 AM

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So amazing, in fact, that Windows Mobile phones have been able to do this for at least 4 years.

(Windows Mobile has a remote desktop client - so you can open the PC from the phone. Of course, Windows Mobile also has Internet Explorer and Outlook, so you don't need the PC to surf and check mail.)

Yeah, but Windows Mobile can't surf the web well. I've never used the Remote Desktop client, though, so I can't say anything on that front.

But here's what annoys me (and I'm not really talking about you so much as some others... including some friends of mine): some people will criticize Apple for doing what already is done elsewhere, but what they don't realize is that others cannot be counted as already doing what Apple does because Apple does it several times better. Devices like the iPod aren't the best because of what they CAN DO... it's how they do it.

Steve Jobs was right when he said most people do not use the address book on most phones - I don't have a phone, but some people I know (same people, in fact, who claim that their phone does what the iPhone does) don't bother using the address book as it is too difficult, and rely instead on their "recently called" list.

It isn't what the device CAN DO, it is HOW IT DOES IT.

Stella · Mar 23, 2007, 11:11 AM

Its been my experience that people do use their addressbook ( but I do realise this is one person's experience ).

From what i've seen of the addressbook on the iPhone, its a UI nightmare, for example, you cannot search for a contact, you scroll down a big list, with an index on the right side of the screen. Horrid.

What people do not do is sync their addressbook <-> computer.

You are right, it is how a device can do it. However, the iPhone is over priced, IMO, for its capabilities. Other smartphones phones provide the same functionality at a suitable price.

Its the same reason why people buy a $300 PC instead of a $999 Mac. The $300 PC does everything that the user wants. Its a price <-> functionality trade off. In fact a $300 PC can almost certainly do pretty much everything that a $999 mac can do.

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Originally Posted by CoreWeb

Steve Jobs was right when he said most people do not use the address book on most phones - I don't have a phone, but some people I know (same people, in fact, who claim that their phone does what the iPhone does) don't bother using the address book as it is too difficult, and rely instead on their "recently called" list.

It isn't what the device CAN DO, it is HOW IT DOES IT.

Stella · Mar 23, 2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kcroy

You heard it from me before, and I will say it again, (send me kudos when it is announced) Leopard will amazingly allow you to share your computer to your iPhone and Apple TV. You will be able to check email and surf on your TV in your living room, and you will be able to operate your computer from your phone. You will also be able to share all media content seemlessly between the three. Screen sharing on Apple TV and iPhone allows your computer to house the memory and power and simply uses the your television and iphone to mirror the screen. It's simply genius. Everyone will want all three and a .Mac account to boot. Also, it will be unveiled in June. This is why it's Top Secret.

Since iPhone doesn't support 3G - sharing iPhone to computer is going to be SLOOOOW.

iPhone supports WIFI... but if I'm in range of my home WIFI, why wouldn't I just use my Mac in the first place?

There are plenty of solutions available for sharing existing phones to computers, as some one pointed out, there is microsoft remote client for pocketpc. There are VNC clients for other phones, such as Symbian.

If OSX 10.5 does allow sharing, you can bet it'll be based upon a opensource product like VNC - just like the Apple Remote desktop is.

johnee · Mar 23, 2007, 11:10 AM