WWDC - One Day More... Final Thoughts

MacRumors · Jun 22, 2003, 03:24 AM

This interim update is meant to provide some final thoughts and updates since the WWDC Rumor Roundup from June 15, 2003 -- almost a week ago.

The majority of rumors described last week hold true... with some additional details being provided over the past 6 days.

PowerMacs

Teasers regarding unopenable boxes and an Apple Germany inviation provided hints of things to come... with Apple themselves leaking information on PowerMac updates.

Unanswered in that leak, however, is the question of availability... which was a contended point in the previous Roundup. A couple of unconfirmed rumors, this week, hinted that only low-end PowerMacs would be shipping immediately.

Recent information suggests that the machines will not see full availability until at least August. In fact, machines are said to be in prototype form at this time. The new machines are also said to be at higher price points than the towers they are replacing.

A possible photo of the new PowerMacs appeared on the internet this week... but was ultimately confirmed to be fake. The photo received considerable attention due to it's consistency with the description in the 1 Infinate Cantina article -- which is still felt to represent an accurate description of the new Tower.

PowerBooks

Again -- limited PowerBook information is available... however one hint claimed no PowerBook updates at WWDC. If this is the case, PowerBook updates are still expected shortly. Rumors of 970 based PowerBooks are still considered less reliable.

Panther

The first real Panther screenshots were revealed to the internet on Saturday -- and depicted new features, including a previous undescribed Window Management feature called Exposé. The long rumored Piles feature is not included.

One other "thing", simply called Xcode will accompany Panther... but no details are known what this represents.

Other...

A new web camera from Apple is still expected to accompany the video-enabled iChat.

maradong · Jun 22, 2003, 03:28 AM

yeah.
Thx for the summary.

voicegy · Jun 22, 2003, 03:30 AM

Rats, of all the things I was hoping for, it was a new AluPowerBook 15.4 incher. But, then again, I won't know for sure until Monday.

mac15 · Jun 22, 2003, 03:30 AM

sounds all good, looks like we are in for a good WWDC.

I only wish the keynote was live

MacBandit · Jun 22, 2003, 03:31 AM

Who here thinks that we won't get anything tomorrow but a preview of 10.3 and all the updates will be held until the create conference. You know the keynote that was canceled and is now back on.

cb911 · Jun 22, 2003, 03:38 AM

well... it starting to look like we would be lucky if we got PowerBook updates tomorrow...

i'm still hoping that Apple will release them thought. at least we'll get to see the PPC 970, that's almost certain.

and if the updates are held off until the Create Conference, i guess that won't be too bad. we've waited this long anyway.

when is the Create Conference anyway?

mac15 · Jun 22, 2003, 03:38 AM

well duh, it'll be like last time. first dev release then people get to pick at it and find bugs and ad requests.

I only think Safari will be released tomorrow as far as software goes anyways

alia · Jun 22, 2003, 03:46 AM

Some of the rumors floating around are that even if the 15" Powerbooks don't make it out at WWDC, they will be shipping by the end of July.

I don't know if there is any stock in said rumors though. That's the machine I'm waiting for, however. Man, waiting sucks.

Alia

markiv810 · Jun 22, 2003, 03:46 AM

Now all we have to do is wait and watch, I would probably try to sleep through the waiting period (that is till the new PowerMac's are annouced). Good lcuk guys, I hope this turns out to be a win-win situtaion for both Apple and us (the consumers).

alia · Jun 22, 2003, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MacBandit
Who here thinks that we won't get anything tomorrow but a preview of 10.3 and all the updates will be held until the create conference. You know the keynote that was canceled and is now back on.

That Create "feature presentation" isn't going to be given by Jobs though. Do you think he'd actually let anyone else announce new products? I don't have a lot of previous keynote-viewings under my belt, but both of them this year have been given by him. Thoughts?

Alia

shadowfax · Jun 22, 2003, 03:54 AM

I'm with Alia, i think that apple has more or less given the expo the finger. Apple updates will be monday or independent, IMO.

Flowbee · Jun 22, 2003, 03:55 AM

I'm personally looking forward to the rumor-site "score card" after the Keynote. There have been so many rumors floating around in the last month or so, I can't even remember who predicted what, and when. Arn's got a lot of material to sort through for the wrap-up. It's one of my favorite parts of these big events (because I can never afford to buy the new gear).

QCassidy352 · Jun 22, 2003, 04:05 AM

I hope the rumors about delayed powermac availability aren't true. If there aren't at least the "low end" towers available... I think there will be a lot of disappointment. Please, let's not have a repeat of the 17" PB fiasco.

Though I do have to think that at least some of the new machines will be ready to go, just because stock of the old machines is SO low.

edit: though actually, maybe I'm wrong about that last part. Because the dual 1.42 still says shipping same day... crap.

Golem · Jun 22, 2003, 04:06 AM

Well the 15'' pbook is what I have been waiting for. I have been sitting on the cash for one for 4 months waiting.

If they dont release 15'' tomorrow I guess I will wait till July but if g5 tower is released i will have to make the hard decision between a G5 tower I can use for 11 month of year or a somewhat out of date tibook I can use 12 months of the year.

solvs · Jun 22, 2003, 04:31 AM

Here's my prediction:

Pather will be previewed and available "soon". Some of the iApps will be updated. The G5s will either be announced and some or all new PowerMacs will be available now. Or later. Or they won't. The new PowerBooks will be announced, or released. Or they won't. They may or may not have G5s in them.

I hope I'm right.

edit: (Please don't flame me, it was only a lame joke)

spiff · Jun 22, 2003, 04:36 AM

a propos the leaked info: has anyone seen that stuff on the apple site or just the "saved version" which could be downloaded?

i just hope for a 970 book. i won't buy anything else than a laptop (i'm a student, not a designer or sound engineer). a 12 incher would be the best stuff, though i would buy a 15.4" too.

the powerbooks have been in pretty a delay, and we've heard from apple buying 15.4" displays some time ago, so either they're gonna release a new one with an updated g4 or they'll wait for like 2 weeks and put in a 970.

but i don't understand why no stream is made available, if there is stuff release which is for the customers and not only the developers. maybe they're just previewing the 970, but won't ship yet. though: the sealed boxes seem to promise something.

does anyone know of the G4 availability? i've read, that there are no more 1.42-ers. so it could be, that a 1.6 970 will be the new top line, and later, in perhaps october, the new ones will arrive. but actually i don't see them mixing up designs and processors like that: too confusing.

RogueLdr · Jun 22, 2003, 04:43 AM

The following are my two cents...

I believe in the specs that were posted the other day on the Apple Store concerning the G5 for this reason: to cover themselves as far as the SEC is concerned, Apple would have to have admitted that erroneous info was on their site, regardless of the reason for the error.

I believe that 15" (whether 15.2" or 15.4") PowerBooks will be updated on Monday. This is due to the length of time that this model has gone without a refresh. The 12" and 17" were spec'd out to mesh nicely with the 15" without really cutting into its niche TOO much. They just gave the option of the slower processor in a smaller package or the faster processor in a larger package. The 15" is in need, however, of having other features (Airport Extreme, built-in Bluetooth, FW 800) brought up to par with its younger siblings. As the flagship (and by this, I mean first and most established) PB, Apple will have no problem boosting it past the 17" with a next gen processor.

From Panther screens, I believe that iChat will at least SUPPORT video-conferencing/streaming. Apple may or may not introduce a video camera. While it would be nice to use this new feature with a solid Apple product, we've seen with the relatively recent iTMS that Apple may look beyond the basic functionality of inhouse branded DLDs and look at how it can be a large revenue generator. In hindsight, the iPod/iTMS one-two seems perfectly calculated. I can't see (with my own limited vision) the growth potential for a webcam DLD as there are already plenty of reliable devices on the market and there is already an entrenched IM market that would have to be chipped away at. Providing new peripherals "Just for the Mac" doesn't seem to be where Apple is going at the moment.

Going by reports that IBM will be talking 970 at the WWDC, I can easily assume that 10.3 is 64bit (can you imagine reading that sentence if this was your first time at this site? LOL.) The only thing I want to know about 10.3 is what that means to those that stay on current hardware. Will they be able to use it at all? Will there be a 32bit version (is that even necessary?) If it can only run on 970s, will some of the neat features filter down to a 10.2.x update?

codycartoon · Jun 22, 2003, 04:51 AM

wake me up monday

mgh02114 · Jun 22, 2003, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Macrumors:

One other "thing", simply called Xcode will accompany Panther... but no details are known what this represents.

Isn't this going to be the final release version of X11?

In my wildest dreams, Apple will announce that it has ported OpenOffice.org and given it an Aqua interface. This would explain why the OOo Mac version has been so far behind.

Of course, this happen in my dreams right after the part where they announce an Apple digital video recorder with a DVD-R drive built in.

spiff · Jun 22, 2003, 04:59 AM

nice would be a camera add-on for the ipod (firewire-connector for the older ones/the new connector for the new ones) so you could use the cam on the go and also as a webcam connected to your mac using FW. though, problem is, that the ipods screen wouldn't suffice, so there would have to be an extra screen.
but i don't believe in it, since i hope the things announced will concetrate on the 970.

webcam would certainly be something for Create.

RogueLdr · Jun 22, 2003, 05:07 AM

This is total curiosity, but is there a record of new products that have NOT been introduced by SJ since his return? Would be interesting to see if there is an reason to think that some of these rumored items will be handled at MW's event.

MacsRgr8 · Jun 22, 2003, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by codycartoon
wake me up monday

Here in Europe we'll have to sleep through the day.....
It's gonna be a long and exciting night!

daHun · Jun 22, 2003, 05:13 AM

Quote:

an Apple Germany inviation provided hints of things to come...

Well, I've seen the invitation on a friend's desk. - It's nicely designed, square, a folded card (4 pages). It contains absolutely no hints on anything hardware/software. Just a mention of the keynote broadcast and a product showcase + a party afterwards.

If anything, it's the sheer scenario that indicates big news, but not the information itself...

raeingoth · Jun 22, 2003, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QCassidy352
edit: though actually, maybe I'm wrong about that last part. Because the dual 1.42 still says shipping same day... crap.

hrmm... I had checked earlier today and all of the PowerMacs were showing as delivery est. 7-10 days. I believe that they might have set it back to "Same Day" as after all, this is Sunday, no orders going out, they can be changed on Monday... :P

maradong · Jun 22, 2003, 05:26 AM

well, as there are no open apple stores in a reasonable distance, i will have to wait till 1800 local time to see the keynote.
I really hope, the already quite slow Apple Servers in Europe, wont break down. Actually downloading from the Us is faster than downloading from the European one ;-)...

Please don t let the total bandwidth be used, nor let the server crash, once the site is updated, and gets some thousands of hits per minute ...

Jun 22, 2003, 03:24 AM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	WWDC - One Day More... Final Thoughts This interim update is meant to provide some final thoughts and updates since the WWDC Rumor Roundup from June 15, 2003 -- almost a week ago. The majority of rumors described last week hold true... with some additional details being provided over the past 6 days. PowerMacs Teasers regarding unopenable boxes and an Apple Germany inviation provided hints of things to come... with Apple themselves leaking information on PowerMac updates. Unanswered in that leak, however, is the question of availability... which was a contended point in the previous Roundup. A couple of unconfirmed rumors, this week, hinted that only low-end PowerMacs would be shipping immediately. Recent information suggests that the machines will not see full availability until at least August. In fact, machines are said to be in prototype form at this time. The new machines are also said to be at higher price points than the towers they are replacing. A possible photo of the new PowerMacs appeared on the internet this week... but was ultimately confirmed to be fake. The photo received considerable attention due to it's consistency with the description in the 1 Infinate Cantina article -- which is still felt to represent an accurate description of the new Tower. PowerBooks Again -- limited PowerBook information is available... however one hint claimed no PowerBook updates at WWDC. If this is the case, PowerBook updates are still expected shortly. Rumors of 970 based PowerBooks are still considered less reliable. Panther The first real Panther screenshots were revealed to the internet on Saturday -- and depicted new features, including a previous undescribed Window Management feature called Exposé. The long rumored Piles feature is not included. One other "thing", simply called Xcode will accompany Panther... but no details are known what this represents. Other... A new web camera from Apple is still expected to accompany the video-enabled iChat.

Jun 22, 2003, 03:30 AM	#4
mac15 macrumors 68040 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sydney	sounds all good, looks like we are in for a good WWDC. I only wish the keynote was live __________________ Check out my guiKitting at the theflanneleffect

Jun 22, 2003, 03:31 AM	#5
MacBandit macrumors 601 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Springfield, OR (Home of the Simpsons)	Who here thinks that we won't get anything tomorrow but a preview of 10.3 and all the updates will be held until the create conference. You know the keynote that was canceled and is now back on. __________________ Folding@Home "Folding FAQ," for more information. Fold with your PS3. Message me on the Playstation Network ID 'MacBandit'

Jun 22, 2003, 03:38 AM	#6
cb911 macrumors 68040 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BrisVegas, Australia	well... it starting to look like we would be lucky if we got PowerBook updates tomorrow... i'm still hoping that Apple will release them thought. at least we'll get to see the PPC 970, that's almost certain. and if the updates are held off until the Create Conference, i guess that won't be too bad. we've waited this long anyway. when is the Create Conference anyway? __________________ Thankyou Mr George Hotz for the 1.1.2 & 1.1.3 OTB iPhone unlock solution!

Jun 22, 2003, 03:38 AM	#7
mac15 macrumors 68040 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sydney	well duh, it'll be like last time. first dev release then people get to pick at it and find bugs and ad requests. I only think Safari will be released tomorrow as far as software goes anyways __________________ Check out my guiKitting at the theflanneleffect

Jun 22, 2003, 03:28 AM	#2
maradong macrumors 65816 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Luxembourg	yeah. Thx for the summary.

Jun 22, 2003, 03:30 AM	#3
voicegy macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sandy Eggo - MacRumors Member since 1-1-2002	Rats, of all the things I was hoping for, it was a new AluPowerBook 15.4 incher. But, then again, I won't know for sure until Monday.

Jun 22, 2003, 03:46 AM	#8
alia macrumors 6502 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Gainesville, FL	Some of the rumors floating around are that even if the 15" Powerbooks don't make it out at WWDC, they will be shipping by the end of July. I don't know if there is any stock in said rumors though. That's the machine I'm waiting for, however. Man, waiting sucks. Alia

Jun 22, 2003, 03:46 AM	#9
markiv810 macrumors regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hell	Now all we have to do is wait and watch, I would probably try to sleep through the waiting period (that is till the new PowerMac's are annouced). Good lcuk guys, I hope this turns out to be a win-win situtaion for both Apple and us (the consumers).

Jun 22, 2003, 03:54 AM	#11
shadowfax macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houston, TX	I'm with Alia, i think that apple has more or less given the expo the finger. Apple updates will be monday or independent, IMO. __________________ iMac 3.06 GHz \| 4GB RAM \| 500 GB ::: Unibody MacBook 2.4 GHz \| 4GB RAM\| 250GB 80 GB Video iPod ::: 16 GB iPhone 3G

Jun 22, 2003, 03:55 AM	#12
Flowbee macrumors 68030 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Alameda, CA	I'm personally looking forward to the rumor-site "score card" after the Keynote. There have been so many rumors floating around in the last month or so, I can't even remember who predicted what, and when. Arn's got a lot of material to sort through for the wrap-up. It's one of my favorite parts of these big events (because I can never afford to buy the new gear). __________________ Podophile.com >> Home of Nike+iPod hacks and FAQs.

Jun 22, 2003, 04:05 AM	#13
QCassidy352 Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Boston, MA	I hope the rumors about delayed powermac availability aren't true. If there aren't at least the "low end" towers available... I think there will be a lot of disappointment. Please, let's not have a repeat of the 17" PB fiasco. Though I do have to think that at least some of the new machines will be ready to go, just because stock of the old machines is SO low. edit: though actually, maybe I'm wrong about that last part. Because the dual 1.42 still says shipping same day... crap.

Jun 22, 2003, 04:06 AM	#14
Golem macrumors 6502 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sydney,Australia	Well the 15'' pbook is what I have been waiting for. I have been sitting on the cash for one for 4 months waiting. If they dont release 15'' tomorrow I guess I will wait till July but if g5 tower is released i will have to make the hard decision between a G5 tower I can use for 11 month of year or a somewhat out of date tibook I can use 12 months of the year.

Jun 22, 2003, 04:31 AM	#15
solvs macrumors 601 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: LaLaLand, CA	Here's my prediction: Pather will be previewed and available "soon". Some of the iApps will be updated. The G5s will either be announced and some or all new PowerMacs will be available now. Or later. Or they won't. The new PowerBooks will be announced, or released. Or they won't. They may or may not have G5s in them. I hope I'm right. edit: (Please don't flame me, it was only a lame joke) __________________ True love never dies The only thing more dangerous than a woman scorned, is a man with nothing left to lose...

Jun 22, 2003, 04:36 AM	#16
spiff macrumors newbie Join Date: Jun 2003	a propos the leaked info: has anyone seen that stuff on the apple site or just the "saved version" which could be downloaded? i just hope for a 970 book. i won't buy anything else than a laptop (i'm a student, not a designer or sound engineer). a 12 incher would be the best stuff, though i would buy a 15.4" too. the powerbooks have been in pretty a delay, and we've heard from apple buying 15.4" displays some time ago, so either they're gonna release a new one with an updated g4 or they'll wait for like 2 weeks and put in a 970. but i don't understand why no stream is made available, if there is stuff release which is for the customers and not only the developers. maybe they're just previewing the 970, but won't ship yet. though: the sealed boxes seem to promise something. does anyone know of the G4 availability? i've read, that there are no more 1.42-ers. so it could be, that a 1.6 970 will be the new top line, and later, in perhaps october, the new ones will arrive. but actually i don't see them mixing up designs and processors like that: too confusing.

Jun 22, 2003, 04:43 AM	#17
RogueLdr macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: People's Republic of Ann Arbor	The following are my two cents... I believe in the specs that were posted the other day on the Apple Store concerning the G5 for this reason: to cover themselves as far as the SEC is concerned, Apple would have to have admitted that erroneous info was on their site, regardless of the reason for the error. I believe that 15" (whether 15.2" or 15.4") PowerBooks will be updated on Monday. This is due to the length of time that this model has gone without a refresh. The 12" and 17" were spec'd out to mesh nicely with the 15" without really cutting into its niche TOO much. They just gave the option of the slower processor in a smaller package or the faster processor in a larger package. The 15" is in need, however, of having other features (Airport Extreme, built-in Bluetooth, FW 800) brought up to par with its younger siblings. As the flagship (and by this, I mean first and most established) PB, Apple will have no problem boosting it past the 17" with a next gen processor. From Panther screens, I believe that iChat will at least SUPPORT video-conferencing/streaming. Apple may or may not introduce a video camera. While it would be nice to use this new feature with a solid Apple product, we've seen with the relatively recent iTMS that Apple may look beyond the basic functionality of inhouse branded DLDs and look at how it can be a large revenue generator. In hindsight, the iPod/iTMS one-two seems perfectly calculated. I can't see (with my own limited vision) the growth potential for a webcam DLD as there are already plenty of reliable devices on the market and there is already an entrenched IM market that would have to be chipped away at. Providing new peripherals "Just for the Mac" doesn't seem to be where Apple is going at the moment. Going by reports that IBM will be talking 970 at the WWDC, I can easily assume that 10.3 is 64bit (can you imagine reading that sentence if this was your first time at this site? LOL.) The only thing I want to know about 10.3 is what that means to those that stay on current hardware. Will they be able to use it at all? Will there be a 32bit version (is that even necessary?) If it can only run on 970s, will some of the neat features filter down to a 10.2.x update? __________________ That which does not kill us, makes us STRANGER. -Trevor Goodchild

Jun 22, 2003, 04:51 AM	#18
codycartoon macrumors regular Join Date: Sep 2002	wake me up monday __________________ visit my website: www.CodyB.com My Macs: Powermac G4 867; 15 inch Apple Studio; 600 Mhz iBook; 15 GB iPod; 60 GB White iPod Video

Jun 22, 2003, 04:59 AM	#20
spiff macrumors newbie Join Date: Jun 2003	nice would be a camera add-on for the ipod (firewire-connector for the older ones/the new connector for the new ones) so you could use the cam on the go and also as a webcam connected to your mac using FW. though, problem is, that the ipods screen wouldn't suffice, so there would have to be an extra screen. but i don't believe in it, since i hope the things announced will concetrate on the 970. webcam would certainly be something for Create.

Jun 22, 2003, 05:07 AM	#21
RogueLdr macrumors regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: People's Republic of Ann Arbor	Sorry to double post... This is total curiosity, but is there a record of new products that have NOT been introduced by SJ since his return? Would be interesting to see if there is an reason to think that some of these rumored items will be handled at MW's event. __________________ That which does not kill us, makes us STRANGER. -Trevor Goodchild

Jun 22, 2003, 05:26 AM	#25
maradong macrumors 65816 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Luxembourg	well, as there are no open apple stores in a reasonable distance, i will have to wait till 1800 local time to see the keynote. I really hope, the already quite slow Apple Servers in Europe, wont break down. Actually downloading from the Us is faster than downloading from the European one ;-)... Please don t let the total bandwidth be used, nor let the server crash, once the site is updated, and gets some thousands of hits per minute ...

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