PC's are so crappy systems!

Re: PC's are so crappy systems!

Originally posted by mymemory
My older brother got a PC for my mother and he hook it up to my network, I have my 3 Powerbooks + the "crapper" now connected to a Link Sys DSL router.

Now, yesterday I sat in fron of the PC for first time trying to make it work with the rest the computer and being able to acces the files, etc.

The computer is using XP and the menues are so bad conceive, no way I could make it work after 2 hours, allways going in random. The computer was in Spanish and I tryed to turned in to English and nothing. Just a buch of funny icons that didn't take me any where, every icon had an explanation but forget about it.

I mean, to install a network between computers is not something that my mom can do but I shuld be able too. No wonder there are PC technicians or every body that manage a PC has a degree in cmputer science. M***** wants to make the friendly but it is imposible, I bet the only user friendly application is Solitarie and that is why everybody is using it.

Damn, Macs areway too advance for the PC people to understand. No wonder the world is falling appart, people like cheap and complicated things that will not resolve anything.

Once again, when I paid big $$$ for my Mac I know that money is going some where and I'm receiving the benefits.

Click to expand...

I agree with you 100%, but you might have a little arguement with some of the pc users out there.....

One thing that really annoys me is that the teachers at my school (well, atleast we had macs at the time) would not know anything about computers and blame it on the macs. I would see them going through very elaborate procedures just to save a file or hide a window, while exclaiming "i HATE macs". Well, Number 1. They were using microsoft word Number 2. There are so many easy ways to do what they are doing but they are used to their pc and don't think about what is logical and what isn't. Hmmmmmm....... a little theme occuring in microsoft programmers i see...... It just makes me so mad when these people bad-mouth things that they know nothing about. Atleast I know somethings about peecees even though i would certainly not claim myself to be an expert. Oh well, ignorant people will be ignorant people and crappy os's will be crappy os's. I guess i should just be happy that i have my mac (which is a little shabby at 533 mgz but still chugging along. Cant wait tilll i can afford a new g5 or maybe a powerbook).

its not impossible to get windows xp running on a network. i can accomplish a task like that in less than 5 minutes. im fairly certain the error lies between the keyboard and the chair. just because you cant use an operating system as pathetically simple as windows xp doesn't mean the computer itself is bad. if you dont like windows then dont use windows. maybe you'd like to try linux?

Damn, Macs areway too advance for the PC people to understand.

Click to expand...

pop open a mac and pop open a pc. they look the same on the inside. if you find some alien technology inside a mac, you come and tell me. and i'll just let you know that i currently use a pc. if i take a look at the inside of a pc or a mac, im fairly certain i can point out and identify its components.

No wonder the world is falling appart, people like cheap and complicated things that will not resolve anything.

Click to expand...

no, the world is falling apart because of corrupt politicians and religious fanatics.

Don't complain about PC's because you don't know who to use them. I have 5 PC's & my PowerMac all connected to a Linksys cable/DSL router with NO problems at all, and it was just as easy to setup in Windows as it was OS X.
It's opionions like this that make the PC world hate Mac users Just because you don't know how to do something doesn't mean it's a hard thing to do.

yea, pc people think macs suck because they have no idea how to use em, and mac people think pcs suck because they dun know how to use em.

i personally use win98 and osx on a regular basis, and although i REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY like osx better, getting win98 to work isn't a completely impossible task....

Originally posted by edesignuk
Don't complain about PC's because you don't know who to use them. I have 5 PC's & my PowerMac all connected to a Linksys cable/DSL router with NO problems at all, and it was just as easy to setup in Windows as it was OS X.
It's opionions like this that make the PC world hate Mac users Just because you don't know how to do something doesn't mean it's a hard thing to do.

Click to expand...

Words from a smart mac user

Originally posted by edesignuk
Don't complain about PC's because you don't know who to use them. I have 5 PC's & my PowerMac all connected to a Linksys cable/DSL router with NO problems at all, and it was just as easy to setup in Windows as it was OS X.
It's opionions like this that make the PC world hate Mac users Just because you don't know how to do something doesn't mean it's a hard thing to do.

Click to expand...

I completely agree. While I much prefer my Macs over my PCs for a variety of reasons, the PCs aren't any harder to perform hardware maitnence on. I open my PC and I have to stick the same kind of RAM into the same kind of DIMM slots, the same kind of hard drive plugged into the same kind of cable and bus, etc.

Originally posted by G3-Pwnz-G4
yea, pc people think macs suck because they have no idea how to use em, and mac people think pcs suck because they dun know how to use em.

i personally use win98 and osx on a regular basis, and although i REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY like osx better, getting win98 to work isn't a completely impossible task....

Click to expand...

I do concur

I mean I got a wireless basestation and WiFi card up and running for my dad's compaq evo in about 10 min. but that was because for 5 minutes my dad was hovering over my shoulder

Re: PC's are so crappy systems!

Originally posted by mymemory
My older brother got a PC for my mother and he hook it up to my network, I have my 3 Powerbooks + the "crapper" now connected to a Link Sys DSL router.

Now, yesterday I sat in fron of the PC for first time trying to make it work with the rest the computer and being able to acces the files, etc.

The computer is using XP and the menues are so bad conceive, no way I could make it work after 2 hours, allways going in random. The computer was in Spanish and I tryed to turned in to English and nothing. Just a buch of funny icons that didn't take me any where, every icon had an explanation but forget about it.

I mean, to install a network between computers is not something that my mom can do but I shuld be able too. No wonder there are PC technicians or every body that manage a PC has a degree in cmputer science. M***** wants to make the friendly but it is imposible, I bet the only user friendly application is Solitarie and that is why everybody is using it.

Damn, Macs areway too advance for the PC people to understand. No wonder the world is falling appart, people like cheap and complicated things that will not resolve anything.

Once again, when I paid big $$$ for my Mac I know that money is going some where and I'm receiving the benefits.

Click to expand...

let s say windows is a crazzy os. Pc hardware is just wonderful, if you got a nice os, nothing is making problems, ( if you ve chosen your components carefully )

Hey, give the kid a break. At least he's tried to use Windows and isn't just talking badly about something he's never used (like most Windows users talking about Macs).

His point is completely valid. You shouldn't have to have a degree to work this stuff. It should just work. Not that Apples' always do, but it IS easier most of the time. I am A+ certified. I know a lot about PCs and Windows (if I do say so myself) having built, used, and worked on many myself. I've also used quite a few Macs. In my experiance, and in my opinion, Macs are superior.

You may feel differently, but that's you're right. Don't bag on the kid for having an opinion. He is right, in the fact that you have to know how to do these things on a PC, but they just seem to work on a Mac.

Your experiances may vary.

Edit: Oh yeah, and networking in Windows IS a nightmare.

Originally posted by edesignuk
Don't complain about PC's because you don't know who to use them. I have 5 PC's & my PowerMac all connected to a Linksys cable/DSL router with NO problems at all, and it was just as easy to setup in Windows as it was OS X.
It's opionions like this that make the PC world hate Mac users Just because you don't know how to do something doesn't mean it's a hard thing to do.

Click to expand...

i got a mac on a wireless linksys router with my airport card and 2 PCs on it. one of them is even a win98 box! they are so easy to hook up. the windows XP box i have got onto the internet all by itself the moment i had finished installing XP. granted, some networking on windows is downright nasty, but this is about as rare as it is on macs. you have a DHCP router and you can't get it to hook up. that's outrageous man!

Please, windows networking *used* to be a nightmare (joys of Win9x there) but the NT-series OS's have always been extremely simple to network (NT, 2k and XP). As someone else said, don't confuse your inability to accomplish a task (which is entirely understandable if its the first time you've used the OS) with the OS being obtuse - you've run into exactly the problem PC users have when they use a mac - its an entirely different experience, with very few similarities and for a while they flounder while they try to accomplish things that are second nature on their home platform.

no, the world is falling apart because of corrupt politicians and religious fanatics.

Click to expand...

man, we think a lot alike

At work I have set up Windows machines from Win95 to XP, and I personally thing XP was a pain to set up on the network (it was the home version using the cartoon screen). Once I figured it out it worked, but I felt it was too complicated for what I wanted. Now, Win2000 Pro is a little complicated to set up on a network, but not nearly as bad as XP.

So there might be some user error here, but I can understand why.

I think networking in XP is so much improved over previous incarnations. The major one is the lack of a reboot everytime you changed the simplest thing...

I did have to use my mac to set up the wireless however as I couldnt get to it from XP and use the mac help in the pref pane to allow me to login to my mac from XP as it never appeared in Network Neighbourhood...

Overall though much improved in XP.

The main problems I have is accessing the mac from a PC.

My housemates all had XP and I just don't get how to get them too see me.

Back here at home some peeps came over from canada to stay with a gateway laptop. They had tons of pics we wanted to get on ym dads TiBook and my MDD. No matter what I tried, turning on sharing, following instructions in the help and jsut trying to find every possible network related settng there was I couldn't get the gateway to show up on the network. SMB sharing was on on all macs and the connect to dialogue box showed the workgroups n stuff but no gateway PC in sight. Eventually I jsut set up an FTP server on the TI and uploaded from the Gateway. Sorta Sucks really.

Removed

Ugh, I'm having a boring summer. When I had a PC I was always performing mantenance and such. I was always busy. Now that I got a Mac, I'm completely without anything to do. I used to build my PCs but this Mac has had nothing that needs to be serviced! Stupid Apple making things so easy. I think I'm just going to just delete random system files and pretend I'm on XP.

The only problem with PC's on a network is that they suck up most of the bandwidth doing whatever the heck they do all day. Our network speed dropped by 50% when we put a windows machine on it.

And, yes, they are extremely difficult for the average user to set up.

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
The main problems I have is accessing the mac from a PC.

My housemates all had XP and I just don't get how to get them too see me.

Back here at home some peeps came over from canada to stay with a gateway laptop. They had tons of pics we wanted to get on ym dads TiBook and my MDD. No matter what I tried, turning on sharing, following instructions in the help and jsut trying to find every possible network related settng there was I couldn't get the gateway to show up on the network. SMB sharing was on on all macs and the connect to dialogue box showed the workgroups n stuff but no gateway PC in sight. Eventually I jsut set up an FTP server on the TI and uploaded from the Gateway. Sorta Sucks really.

Click to expand...

X is better than os9 but still takes one piece in the puzzle to share files with windows from the PC to mac. You have to enable windows login in the accounts setting. This can only be done when you set up the account or changed when that user is not logged in. To cahnge your settings create a new account, login and change the setting for the other user. When you enable windows filesharing it will tell you what to type in the browse box in windows network connection.

To see the PC make sure the folder is shared and then connect to server command-Kwith the IP address of the PC. via smb://IP address

I had to put in a user name and no password but this depends upon your PC fileshare security settings as it may be protected with passwords etc.

HTH

Originally posted by MarksEvilTwin
But i swear, in the time that he has spent over the last several years trying to get these computers to successfully share files, i could have invented cold fusion.

Click to expand...

Then why didn't you?

Re: edesignuk & ibookin'

Originally posted by mymemory
The DSL is not a problem, the networking is and I'm not talking about hardware.

When I got OSX the network was set up itself basically. Using the same experience I should be able to create a network in a windows environment just by finding the same components in the system, but the entire thing is such mess! everything is truncated, they want to make it look "silly" with all those colors and explanations but obviously you will need to call some one with a lot of experience. I mean, with my experience should do.

Now, if creating a net work is such easy task... tell me the steps to do it successfully, the PC to the Mac network using the Linksys.

I'm waiting...

Click to expand...

If you are using DHCP, then he XP box should have just got itself an address (Network settings are set to DHCP automatically during setup).
If not, then simply go to Control Panel > Network Connections, right click on your network adapter, and select Properties, select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP), and hit Properties, and there you can change your IP settings to what ever you wish. Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist

Re: edesignuk & ibookin'

Originally posted by mymemory
Now, if creating a net work is such easy task... tell me the steps to do it successfully, the PC to the Mac network using the Linksys.

I'm waiting...

Click to expand...

you know, the funny thing about this is, a "network" is created when you have them all plugged in. assuming that you have everything on default settings. if you've turned off DHCP on your router, turn it back on, or reset the thing. don't go trying to set subnet masks and IPs yourself. that's asinine. now, on your PC, you should be on the network and browsing the internet. if not, you need to go into the network settings and set TCP/IP to obtain IP address automatically, which it should have already been unless you changed something, or someone else did. now you might need to go to IE and click tools->internet options->connections and make sure it is set to use the LAN as the internet connection. if your internet doesn't work, there is a hardware failure or a driver problem.

that done, you need to configure your mac for windows file sharing and to share its own files (if that's what you want). now in finder on the mac, if you want to connect to PC, you hit cmd-k to log on to a server, and then find your PC in the list (may need to drop it down), or you can enter it like this: smb://your.PC's.IP.Address it should log on in a second, and give you a menu for which folder on the PC you want to mount over the network. i've done it a thousand times with my PC box

My XP machine was painless to setup, much to my astonishment. As much as I hate the whole windows family, (well, M$ actually) I found it much easier to setup than 95, 98 & ME.
Slightly off topic: one thing I liked that started with Win2k was that when a network cable came unplugged, it popped-up a little info bubble letting you know. Would still like to see that on the Mac.