Apple Re-Posts Security Update 2007-005 (v1.1)

Ok then...its always comforting to know they're not getting complacent
Hasn't yet come to my Software Update...

Can't say this for sure, but Apple may be getting sloppy with its testing. At least its patching it, but come on... do your testing BEFORE releasing the update into the wild. This is the second time they've had to do this.

psychofreak said:

Hasn't yet come to my Software Update...

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It may not. The last time they updated to v1.1, they didn't make it appear in everyone's Software Update

psychofreak said:

Ok then...its always comforting to know they're not getting complacent

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true but i cant even see the update yet....
maybe the uk will have to wait for updates aswell as everything else apple make..

link to update : http://wsidecar.apple.com/cgi-bin/n...platform=osx&method=sa/SecUpd2007-005Univ.dmg

Does everyone have to apply 1.1? It doesn't show up in my Software Update either. Then, I don't think they have in past instances when this happened either.

I don't see it, but I know these things roll out in phases.

longofest said:

Can't say this for sure, but Apple may be getting sloppy with its testing. At least its patching it, but come on... do your testing BEFORE releasing the update into the wild. This is the second time they've had to do this.

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They did, of course, test it. Nothing will EVER change the fact that a public release is a bigger test than anything that came before it. Nothing will ever prevent all bugs from getting out the door. Software is made by humans, and complex creations of humans will never be immune from error. There will always be bugs and mistakes from Apple or any company. We can only hope to have them caught and patched, and we can hope that they are fewer and less severe in their consequences than Windows' bugs

Curious. Doesn't show up in my update either.

From http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305530:

Note: Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 was released to remove a configuration file that prevented the BIND service from automatically starting after applying the security update. The BIND service is not enabled on default configurations, and is mainly used with a Server system. For systems using BIND which applied Security Update 2007-005, manually re-enabling the BIND service will correct the issue. Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 made no changes to the security content of Security Update 2007-005. Systems that have applied Security Update 2007-005 do not need to apply Security Update 2007-005 v1.1.

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I think the following is what's important for most of us: Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 made no changes to the security content of Security Update 2007-005.

I purposefully didn't DL the first one... and I'll still be waiting a week or more before I DL this one. Call me paranoid.

nagromme said:

They did, of course, test it. Nothing will EVER change the fact that a public release is a bigger test than anything that came before it. Nothing will ever prevent all bugs from getting out the door. Software is made by humans, and complex creations of humans will never be immune from error. There will always be bugs and mistakes from Apple or any company. We can only hope to have them caught and patched, and we can hope that they are fewer and less severe in their consequences than Windows' bugs

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Oh, I'm not saying that they didn't test it, nor am I saying that testing needs to produce 100% clean builds. I'm a dev, and I know all too well that bugs can escape even through testing.

However, this is the second time in a row that they have had to re-release a security update. Perhaps they are dedicating so much of their testing resources to the iPhone and/or Leopard that they aren't testing these security patches as thoroughly as they should. But I do think that the fact that we have seen 2 in a row now indicates that these updates aren't seeing the testing thoroughness that they normally would have seen.

ktlx said:

From http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305530:



I think the following is what's important for most of us: Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 made no changes to the security content of Security Update 2007-005.

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Thanks for that... I didn't see the note at the bottom. Story updated.

There were some people having problems with Logic Pro crashing after that security update, on the discussions.apple.com forum.

ktlx said:

I think the following is what's important for most of us: Security Update 2007-005 v1.1 made no changes to the security content of Security Update 2007-005.

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Thank you for looking up the clarification. That can put to rest most rumors about this being a fix for unexpected behavior on systems it was installed on, etc, since the bind issue does not impact 99% of us.

devilot said:

I purposely didn't DL the first one... and I'll still be waiting a week or more before I DL this one. Call me paranoid.

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show off

Sir Edward said:

I purposefully didn't DL the first one... and I'll still be waiting a week or more before I DL this one. Call me paranoid.

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Chicken. That gives me a whole week to entice you to mount two identically-named disk images!

I installed the first one immediately, not thinking of possible problems, so i'm glad that everything has been perfect since.

i haven't installed the first one yet. i just might install both, one day

longofest said:

Can't say this for sure, but Apple may be getting sloppy with its testing. At least its patching it, but come on... do your testing BEFORE releasing the update into the wild. This is the second time they've had to do this.

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You probably have not done software development on complicated systems. You can test until you are blue in the face but still miss the problem you can have a hundred people test it. But one it comes to the 101 person they find a problem. Some times you get problems affecting parts you didn't expect. So you never bother testing that part. It is impossible to compleatly test all of OS X for every little change you do to the system. Things get threw the cracks. Apple is Better then Microsoft at this but still they are not perfect as well.
Complex systems are hard to debug.