I took a trip in Microsoft Hell today...

joelovesapple · Jun 5, 2007, 12:48 PM

....And I'm very shaken up so please be calm with me...

I started doing a web design course and they were using FrontPage

. It was foul. Now I have no idea how to design a webpage but it was really hard to use and I've heard bad things about it. Also I hate how it did it in 800 x 600 and could only be previewed in IE6.

.

Anyone got comments?

I almost had a heart-attack.

epochblue · Jun 5, 2007, 12:53 PM

Drop the class. Seriously. Any web design class that is going to pawn off FrontPage as The Way to design web sites isn't a web design class at all; it's an abomination.

dswoodley · Jun 5, 2007, 01:02 PM

tell your class instructor "Welcome to the 21st Century!!!!"

I can't remember the last time Front Page was considered a first choice tool for web work.

elppa · Jun 5, 2007, 01:10 PM

Get a refund.

It's not used by any professional designer/developer worth their salt.

4God · Jun 5, 2007, 01:13 PM

Ruuuuuuuunn.........AS FAST AS YOU CAN!

snickelfritz · Jun 5, 2007, 01:55 PM

Seriously, why would you need to take a web design course that teaches a simple outdated WYSIWYG like Frontpage? (you could teach yourself this program in a weekend)
I would expect to be taught advanced html, javascript, actionscript, ajax, etc...
As well as basic design concepts, and the use of Photoshop to create graphics.

Personally, I would drop the course and ask for a full refund.
I would also admonish the school administrator for wasting my time.

GL

Roric · Jun 5, 2007, 02:39 PM

FrontPage was last part of the MS Office 2003 family of offerings. It has been dropped and the functionality it provided has been rolled into Publisher 2007.

They are teaching a software that is outdated, discontinued, and entirely wrong for all but the simplest of sites.

geese · Jun 5, 2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joelovesapple

Anyone got comments?

Yes. Tell them to shove their FP of their arse.

I had to edit intranet pages for 2 long years with FP. I hate it had slayed my wife.

WYSIWYG isn't really used effectivly for web design anymore. You're better off going to the w3c schools site and learning HTML and CSS there. Its free an all.

ehurtley · Jun 5, 2007, 07:39 PM

"Microsoft Hell"? Is that a new product? :-D

Or did you mean the "hell" that Microsofties go to when they die? That would be a place run by Linux computers, where every desktop is a Mac with NeoOffice installed.

tominated · Jun 6, 2007, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehurtley

"Microsoft Hell"? Is that a new product? :-D

No, that's one that comes with every microsoft product... hidden...

thejadedmonkey · Jun 6, 2007, 07:38 AM

A few years ago I took a web design class in high school. My teacher spend about 10 minutes explaining front page to the class, just because it's a "tool of the trade" and then told us never to use it unless we had to. She made us learn the HTML though, and CSS, so it was a good class IMHO.

tomoisyourgod · Jun 6, 2007, 07:41 AM

I learnt basics of HTML in the good 'al fashion way.

A simple text editor.

SC68Cal · Jun 6, 2007, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomoisyourgod

I learnt basics of HTML in the good 'al fashion way.

A simple text editor.

And that's how your supposed to start out!

Ugh. My friend had a professor that FORCED everyone to use frontpage. She refused to do so, hand coded her project and just spoofed the creator tag.

tominated · Jun 7, 2007, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC68Cal

And that's how your supposed to start out!

Ugh. My friend had a professor that FORCED everyone to use frontpage. She refused to do so, hand coded her project and just spoofed the creator tag.

damn! thats smart.

Jun 5, 2007, 12:48 PM	#1
joelovesapple macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK	I took a trip in Microsoft Hell today... ....And I'm very shaken up so please be calm with me... I started doing a web design course and they were using FrontPage . It was foul. Now I have no idea how to design a webpage but it was really hard to use and I've heard bad things about it. Also I hate how it did it in 800 x 600 and could only be previewed in IE6. . Anyone got comments? I almost had a heart-attack.

Jun 5, 2007, 12:53 PM	#2
epochblue macrumors 68000 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nashville, TN	Drop the class. Seriously. Any web design class that is going to pawn off FrontPage as The Way to design web sites isn't a web design class at all; it's an abomination. __________________ -- epochblue rolls with a 20" Rev. D Intel iMac, a 15" Rev. C PowerBook, an 80GB iPod classic, 2G shuffle, and a 4GB iPhone.

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elppa macrumors 68020 Join Date: Nov 2003	Get a refund. It's not used by any professional designer/developer worth their salt. __________________ Snow Leopard is animated

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snickelfritz macrumors 65816 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tucson AZ	Seriously, why would you need to take a web design course that teaches a simple outdated WYSIWYG like Frontpage? (you could teach yourself this program in a weekend) I would expect to be taught advanced html, javascript, actionscript, ajax, etc... As well as basic design concepts, and the use of Photoshop to create graphics. Personally, I would drop the course and ask for a full refund. I would also admonish the school administrator for wasting my time. GL __________________ 2.4ghz 24" iMac (Aluminum); 4GB RAM; 320GB HDD; 250GB external G-Drive; 10.5.7; Adobe CS3.

Jun 5, 2007, 01:02 PM	#3
dswoodley macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2002	tell your class instructor "Welcome to the 21st Century!!!!" I can't remember the last time Front Page was considered a first choice tool for web work.

Jun 5, 2007, 02:39 PM	#7
Roric macrumors member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: WI	FrontPage was last part of the MS Office 2003 family of offerings. It has been dropped and the functionality it provided has been rolled into Publisher 2007. They are teaching a software that is outdated, discontinued, and entirely wrong for all but the simplest of sites.

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ehurtley macrumors 68020 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, OR	"Microsoft Hell"? Is that a new product? :-D Or did you mean the "hell" that Microsofties go to when they die? That would be a place run by Linux computers, where every desktop is a Mac with NeoOffice installed. __________________ Disclaimer: I was a contractor at Intel. I didn't work with Apple. I don't have any info that isn't public.

Jun 6, 2007, 07:38 AM	#11
thejadedmonkey macrumors 68040 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pa	A few years ago I took a web design class in high school. My teacher spend about 10 minutes explaining front page to the class, just because it's a "tool of the trade" and then told us never to use it unless we had to. She made us learn the HTML though, and CSS, so it was a good class IMHO. __________________ Mac Mini G4 • MacBook Pro • iPod Nano "Good judgement comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgement. - Mark Twain

Jun 6, 2007, 07:41 AM	#12
tomoisyourgod macrumors regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Liverpool, UK	I learnt basics of HTML in the good 'al fashion way. A simple text editor. __________________ 17" iMac Dual Core 2 Macbook Pro 2.4GHz SR

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