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Ambrose Chapel
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mnkeybsness
macrumors 68030
It is such a sad time. Ever since Microsoft's hands were only lightly slapped (the DOJ really wussed out here) they have gotten bolder and bolder in their moves. From trying to keep RealPC from making a comeback to future versions of IE buried in Windows. Remember, that was part of the antitrust action to begin with. The fact that IE was inseperable from Windows and caused unfair competition (or lack of). Until there are really held accountable they will continue to try to squash any company that treads on their grounds.
I bet they are just drooling over the SCO lawsuit with IBM and the alleged UNIX copyright infringement within the Linux kernel.
Now, Corel is dying slowly as well. We will have to see if their buyout can make the company rebound. Remember when WordPerfect was actually the superior word processor.
Oh, I should just quit ranting now.
I bet they are just drooling over the SCO lawsuit with IBM and the alleged UNIX copyright infringement within the Linux kernel.
Now, Corel is dying slowly as well. We will have to see if their buyout can make the company rebound. Remember when WordPerfect was actually the superior word processor.
Oh, I should just quit ranting now.
Didn't Microsoft buy connectix or something? Then soon after they sued the makers of realPC? I am pretty sure that's what happened. Only proves that M$ is trying to take over the world.
I'd like to see a new version of RealPC. It would give M$ some competition. I wish FWB would publicly say what is going on and when we might expect to see the product released.
I really agree with KershMan. If the DOJ actually punished M$, they could have saved a lot of competition.
I really agree with KershMan. If the DOJ actually punished M$, they could have saved a lot of competition.
solvs
macrumors 603
Too bad, I was hoping to see more. Wouldn't it have been cool for Apple to include RealPC on new Macs? Not that you'd want it to run too fast. You wouldn't want an OS/2 situation. But better intergration with hardware (especially vid cards) would be nice.
I was at the Bellevue Apple Store yesterday, and one of the machines had VirtualPC on it. Not too bad, but it was slow to start. And running XP. 🙁 If I get it, I'm running 2000 or 98. Gawd, I hate XP. 2000 is ok on my real PC (no pun intended), but it has it's limitations.
Funny part was when I was starting up IE, and VPC crashed, then wanted to check the drive for errors on restart. Ha! Just like my Mom's Sony.
I was at the Bellevue Apple Store yesterday, and one of the machines had VirtualPC on it. Not too bad, but it was slow to start. And running XP. 🙁 If I get it, I'm running 2000 or 98. Gawd, I hate XP. 2000 is ok on my real PC (no pun intended), but it has it's limitations.
Funny part was when I was starting up IE, and VPC crashed, then wanted to check the drive for errors on restart. Ha! Just like my Mom's Sony.
Grrrrr. I was praying and praying and hoping that RealPC would indeed happen too. Seems my hopes are dashed... I really really really wanted the (real) 3D graphics card emulation to work! I wanna play my MMORPG in peace! 😡
Ah well. Guess RealPC couldn't match the weight of the 300-pound gorilla from Seattle.
Ah well. Guess RealPC couldn't match the weight of the 300-pound gorilla from Seattle.
solvs
macrumors 603
There it is...
... Right there on the main page.
RealPC & SoftWindows!!!
FWB has pushed back the release date of its Beta Version of PowerWindows (formerly SoftWindows) later this summer due to issues relating to Microsoft.
MORE...
They had an agreement with Connectix, not M$. But still the 800lb gorilla does what it wants to stifle competition.
Does anybody even really actually like MicroSoft, or do most people just tolerate it?
... Right there on the main page.
RealPC & SoftWindows!!!
FWB has pushed back the release date of its Beta Version of PowerWindows (formerly SoftWindows) later this summer due to issues relating to Microsoft.
MORE...
They had an agreement with Connectix, not M$. But still the 800lb gorilla does what it wants to stifle competition.
Does anybody even really actually like MicroSoft, or do most people just tolerate it?
... and since MS bought Connectix, the agreement transferred, and the 800 pound gorilla can now stomp around at will. IIRC, it was some fine print about some legal technicality; not necessarily a full-blown 'lawsuit', per se.
Most people I know, die-hard PC people, say that they tolerate MS at best, hate it with a fiery passion at worst (I've actually asked this to people myself). Despite this, they can't be arsed into making the switch like me... 🙄
Most people I know, die-hard PC people, say that they tolerate MS at best, hate it with a fiery passion at worst (I've actually asked this to people myself). Despite this, they can't be arsed into making the switch like me... 🙄
dongmin
macrumors 68000
vaporware
I'm getting more and more of the feeling that this was all just hype, a ploy by FWB to make a quick buck ("BUY the OS 9 Version now and receive the OS X version free!!!"--but we don't guarantee when it'll ship and whether it'll be any good).
First they claim huge performance gains with OS X. Then they delay the public beta for a month supposedly b/c of legal action by Msoft. Now, it's delayed indefinitely. My guess is that FWB's original agreement with Connectix was and is still valid. And that FWB claimed otherwise in order to hype up their currently outdated product and sell a few copies of RealPC before an injunction.
This is really disappointing to me as I still rely on Windows emulation for one program (AutoCAD). Hopefully, with the G5, VPC 6 will performa at decent enough speed to be useable.
I'm getting more and more of the feeling that this was all just hype, a ploy by FWB to make a quick buck ("BUY the OS 9 Version now and receive the OS X version free!!!"--but we don't guarantee when it'll ship and whether it'll be any good).
First they claim huge performance gains with OS X. Then they delay the public beta for a month supposedly b/c of legal action by Msoft. Now, it's delayed indefinitely. My guess is that FWB's original agreement with Connectix was and is still valid. And that FWB claimed otherwise in order to hype up their currently outdated product and sell a few copies of RealPC before an injunction.
This is really disappointing to me as I still rely on Windows emulation for one program (AutoCAD). Hopefully, with the G5, VPC 6 will performa at decent enough speed to be useable.
solvs
macrumors 603
Re: vaporware
You know, I'm starting to think you're right. The more I think about it, the more I wonder (not that I'm a conspiricy nut mind you). But is the agreement still binding?
VPC as it stands is slow. Too slow. Hopefully AutoCAD releases their OS X version. But who knows. Hopefully the G5 is fast enough for most people for now.
M$ still sux. 😛
You know, I'm starting to think you're right. The more I think about it, the more I wonder (not that I'm a conspiricy nut mind you). But is the agreement still binding?
VPC as it stands is slow. Too slow. Hopefully AutoCAD releases their OS X version. But who knows. Hopefully the G5 is fast enough for most people for now.
M$ still sux. 😛
Delay due to Microsoft?
Seriouly, do you guys think the delay is really due to MicroSoft?
First RealPC was delayed due to Jaguar (according to FWB Marketing), then it was delayed because of Panther, then Microsoft...
What's next? Waiting for the G5 to continue the devlopement?
Seriouly, do you guys think the delay is really due to MicroSoft?
First RealPC was delayed due to Jaguar (according to FWB Marketing), then it was delayed because of Panther, then Microsoft...
What's next? Waiting for the G5 to continue the devlopement?
iJon
macrumors 604
microsoft is being smart. although it really sucks for us i would do the same thing they did. buy out connectix, now they make a almost 100% profit on it and stop distributing windows to realpc. i hate to admit it but there a smart business team, you dont become the richest man overnight.
iJon
iJon
solvs
macrumors 603
No, apparently you become rich by stealing, bullying and crushing your competitors by any means neccessary using illegal monopolistic tactics while the government looks the other way because they're in your pockets and...
Whoops. 😀 Sorry, I get a little carried away when it comes to stuff like this.
Smart... yes. Ethical... no.
Evil... you betcha.
I wouldn't say smart. Shrewd and cunning is more like it. Let's not forget they were actually found GUILTY of anti-trust practices, they just weren't punished. And since none of the punitive actions had any effect, they are moving forward with their own ways of crushing competition.
Here are two examples. Linux is a threat that they have not been able to counter as of yet. So, what do they do. They buy the only company that has a decent anti-virus application for Linux and decide not to continue the product. It doesn't matter that the majority of malicious code only effects Windows, the fact that you can't get decent anti-virus software will keep many users away.
OS X is making a very strong statement. Microsoft could see this as a precusor to a new threat. Stability of Linux/Unix with as good (if not better) GUI. So, what do they do, buy Connectix, which at the time was making the only virtual machine for Windows on the OS X platform. They also discontinue IE for both platforms and will bury it in the Windows OS in the future. You wait, Office will be next.
Now, these could all be just "smart" business moves. However, they follow the general pattern that Microsoft has followed over the years. And it is the same general pattern that they were found guilty of anti-trust practices.
You say smart, I say shrewd, cunning, and just a bit illegal!
iJon
macrumors 604
apple is asking to get ie and office to go away. thats nothing normal. apple comes out with safari, so they discontinue it. apple makes keynote, and im sure more of this mystery office suite, and when it happens microsoft office will be gone too. then apple will be in a hurting position unless they have one hell of a product and a good advertising campaign to go behind it. plus with connectix thing, its probably for the best. microsoft can probably do more with it then what connectix could everdo. guess we will have to wait and see.
iJon
iJon
benixau
macrumors 65816
MS will not pull monopoly against apple.
they need it to prove that there is some decent competition.
most of us believe that it is more than decent but the US court sees apple as the only thing stopping them whooping MS' rear end out of redmond all the way to russia or china (linux is the dominant OS in china)
they need it to prove that there is some decent competition.
most of us believe that it is more than decent but the US court sees apple as the only thing stopping them whooping MS' rear end out of redmond all the way to russia or china (linux is the dominant OS in china)
Ambrose Chapel
macrumors 65816
why should the presence of an apple-branded app automatically mean discarding every other competitor? why doesn't microsoft do what other competing companies do and endeavor to build a better product and let the market decide? it's not as if they are a struggling shareware company who can't compete with the free iLife apps. rather than give up in the face of any competition, just make a better product. i mean, granted we are talking about microsoft here, but this 'take my ball and go home' attitude is absurdly childish.