Qualcomm Chip Embargo To Boost iPhone?

MacRumors · Jun 9, 2007, 12:49 AM

A ruling today by the U.S. International Trade Commission to ban new models of phones with 3G chips from Qualcomm could have a positive impact on Apple's iPhone, some are suggesting.

The ban came due to a patent infringment case brought by rival Broadcom, who claimed Qualcomm's 3G chips used Broadcom's patented power management technology. Samsung and LG both are expected to take the brunt of the ruling, with Motorola also expected to see reduced sales if the ruling is upheld. Carriers impacted by the ban include Verizon Wireless and Sprint Nextel.

Apple and AT&T will be launching the much-hyped iPhone on June 29th, and competitors are scrambling to launch their answers, which will no doubt see further delays if the ruling stands.

pavelbure · Jun 9, 2007, 12:54 AM

i wish this dumb phone would come out asap. i'm sick of seeing these stories.

i come on, get all excited about a new rumor, then, BAM !!!, more iphone junk.

happy2000hk · Jun 9, 2007, 12:55 AM

Nothing can stop the iPhone at this point.

Yoursh · Jun 9, 2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Macrumors

Apple and AT&T will be launching the much-hyped iPhone on June 29th, and competitors are scrambling to launch their answers, which will no doubt see further delays if the ruling stands.

That was my first thought when I saw this story yesterday. There must be some Verizon executives swearing up a storm right now.

twoodcc · Jun 9, 2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by happy2000hk

Nothing can stop the iPhone at this point.

seems like it, anyway.....so i guess this is good for Apple. but i also wish the phone would hurry up and get here

ISMPlus · Jun 9, 2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by happy2000hk

Nothing can stop the iPhone at this point.

Wow! Never thought I would say this, but yeah, I agree. Nice move

!!!! Very happy for them. Now I want the iPhone more than ever!

chelsel · Jun 9, 2007, 01:08 AM

Why would the other carriers be concerned about losing 3G phones... the iPhone is NOT 3G...

If anything this makes the Treo 750 and Cingular 8525 even more valuable than the iPhone... LOL.

KD7IWP · Jun 9, 2007, 01:09 AM

Oh this is exciting

coolosxapps · Jun 9, 2007, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ISMPlus

Wow! Never thought I would say this, but yeah, I agree. Nice move

!!!! Very happy for them. Now I want the iPhone more than ever!

It is a nice move on Apple's part indeed! And I can't wait for the iPhone to release either, and I wish it would release sooner because I am very anxious to get it!

massiv · Jun 9, 2007, 01:13 AM

stop it. Did you read the book that employees of the only cell co. to agree to Apple's terms are being provided with? the content of the manuals is not very favorable to this very over-hyped electronics device. don't get me wrong, i am a huge apple/mac fan. i bought a powerbook g4 while in college (with my own $$ =) and than a Mac Pro when my designing career became lucrative. I love the apple state of mind and the products that cupertino produce. But! =)

i'm starting to think that Apple is betting too much on the input nature of this device and not the innovation of the feature set. According to the manuals thus provided (yes more things are due at launch which is BS because for $600 i shouldn't be lead by a leash) there is not much more that the iphone does better. in fact, it appears at first glance (yes more to come i know and also please stop defending the features just b/c they are apple) that this thing is rather bland if not blah! the truth is if this provides less essential features than the rest, i must say pass. and if Apple releases the iphone with a much more exciting feature set (that is useful and news worthy) than i will say bravo. but also in my mind will think FU. ok new product releases, cool surprise me. but at 3 weeks and counting, for a product announced months and months ago, i should have every reason to buy this thing in the bag. Sorry for the rants but i was so pumped to buy this thing that these latest spec reports are causing massiv doubt.

MacinDoc · Jun 9, 2007, 01:15 AM

Time for some analyst to set Apple's target price to $250. Can you imagine how many iPhones will sell if all of Apple's competitors are forced to redesign all of their upcoming phones to use old technology, then get regulatory approval? If this ruling is not overturned, the iPhone could be the iPod all over again!

neven · Jun 9, 2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chelsel

Why would the other carriers be concerned about losing 3G phones... the iPhone is NOT 3G...

If anything this makes the Treo 750 and Cingular 8525 even more valuable than the iPhone... LOL.

Ummm...

3G was one of the obvious advantages of some of other providers' phones. Since they won't be able to import any 3G phones for a while, that advantage against iPhone is eliminated, making iPhone more attractive.

chelsel · Jun 9, 2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by neven

Ummm...

3G was one of the obvious advantages of some of other providers' phones. Since they won't be able to import any 3G phones for a while, that advantage against iPhone is eliminated, making iPhone more attractive.

So, you're admitting the only way the iphone can 'win' is by the other carriers being restricted in their offerings???

Pretty weak position I would say...

tk421 · Jun 9, 2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chelsel

So, you're admitting the only way the iphone can 'win' is by the other carriers being restricted in their offerings???

Pretty weak position I would say...

You're putting words in other people's mouths. That's a "pretty weak position" for your argument.

Edit: see strawman argument

pieman02 · Jun 9, 2007, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chelsel

So, you're admitting the only way the iphone can 'win' is by the other carriers being restricted in their offerings???

Pretty weak position I would say...

...well Ide say that what he is saying here is the entire point of the article...it says that because a 3G (which isn't in the iPhone) chip provider will not be able to supply to make phones...how can iPhone's competition 'win' if it cannot be manufactured, at least with 3G (which is part of the reason people buy the phone)?

coolfactor · Jun 9, 2007, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavelbure

i wish this dumb phone would come out asap. i'm sick of seeing these stories.

i come on, get all excited about a new rumor, then, BAM !!!, more iphone junk.

Get a grip, dude. You're so negative. The world doesn't need more of that.

booksacool1 · Jun 9, 2007, 02:01 AM

I don't see how people can vote positive on this. Because of some patent dispute there is/will be less consumer choice and less availability on data-centric phones. This decreases competition and will probably drive up prices.

How is this a good thing? Sure it helps apple make money selling their iphone, but it doesn't help anyone interested in buying a phone.

coolfactor · Jun 9, 2007, 02:04 AM

All I can say is this was a stroke of luck for Apple. Can you imagine if the iPhone was affected by this? Months of preparation for its launch would've been down the drain.

backspinner · Jun 9, 2007, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by coolfactor

All I can say is this was a stroke of luck for Apple.

not sure about that, it could be the reason of course that they choose to leave 3G out from the beginning

NEENAHBOY · Jun 9, 2007, 02:33 AM

Couldn't help notice that the two most affected carriers are the ones using CDMA. So am I to assume, then, that the GSMers primarily use Broadcom?

MacFly123 · Jun 9, 2007, 02:37 AM

This is a conspiracy

Al Gore now on Apple's board and he is obviously calling his political connections

hehe

SiliconAddict · Jun 9, 2007, 02:42 AM

The only way it helps Apple is via Crapular customers. No one is going to jump from carrier to carrier for a short term shortage. And this WILL be short term. The amount of money involved here guarantees this.

MikeT · Jun 9, 2007, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NEENAHBOY

So am I to assume, then, that the GSMers primarily use Broadcom?

Actually, no. Texas Instruments is the market leader.

JPyre · Jun 9, 2007, 03:06 AM

I don't know if anybody noticed but Qualcomm stock ins't going down, it's up 2%. I think most investors don't see this ruling holding up. Although if it does stand it would probably benefit AT&T, if anyone. I bet it'll be overturned, nobody enforces patents or IP anyway...

emotion · Jun 9, 2007, 05:38 AM

Regardless of this news, lack of 3G in the iPhone is pretty weak. Maybe people will let that pass in the US but in Asia and Europe where 3G is the norm for mid to high end phones (and HSDPA, 3.5G is the norm for a high end phone), the market is likely to be less forgiving.

Having said that, only time will tell.

Jun 9, 2007, 12:49 AM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	Qualcomm Chip Embargo To Boost iPhone? A ruling today by the U.S. International Trade Commission to ban new models of phones with 3G chips from Qualcomm could have a positive impact on Apple's iPhone, some are suggesting. The ban came due to a patent infringment case brought by rival Broadcom, who claimed Qualcomm's 3G chips used Broadcom's patented power management technology. Samsung and LG both are expected to take the brunt of the ruling, with Motorola also expected to see reduced sales if the ruling is upheld. Carriers impacted by the ban include Verizon Wireless and Sprint Nextel. Apple and AT&T will be launching the much-hyped iPhone on June 29th, and competitors are scrambling to launch their answers, which will no doubt see further delays if the ruling stands.

Jun 9, 2007, 01:09 AM	#8
KD7IWP macrumors 6502a Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: My apartment in Canada	Oh this is exciting __________________ 2.66Ghz Quad Nehalem Mac Pro; 8gb iPhone 3G; 30GB 5G iPod; 512mb iPod Shuffle.

Jun 9, 2007, 01:13 AM	#10
massiv macrumors member Join Date: Sep 2006	yes actually a great deal of things can… stop it. Did you read the book that employees of the only cell co. to agree to Apple's terms are being provided with? the content of the manuals is not very favorable to this very over-hyped electronics device. don't get me wrong, i am a huge apple/mac fan. i bought a powerbook g4 while in college (with my own $$ =) and than a Mac Pro when my designing career became lucrative. I love the apple state of mind and the products that cupertino produce. But! =) i'm starting to think that Apple is betting too much on the input nature of this device and not the innovation of the feature set. According to the manuals thus provided (yes more things are due at launch which is BS because for $600 i shouldn't be lead by a leash) there is not much more that the iphone does better. in fact, it appears at first glance (yes more to come i know and also please stop defending the features just b/c they are apple) that this thing is rather bland if not blah! the truth is if this provides less essential features than the rest, i must say pass. and if Apple releases the iphone with a much more exciting feature set (that is useful and news worthy) than i will say bravo. but also in my mind will think FU. ok new product releases, cool surprise me. but at 3 weeks and counting, for a product announced months and months ago, i should have every reason to buy this thing in the bag. Sorry for the rants but i was so pumped to buy this thing that these latest spec reports are causing massiv doubt.

Jun 9, 2007, 01:15 AM	#11
MacinDoc macrumors 65816 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The Great White North	Time for some analyst to set Apple's target price to $250. Can you imagine how many iPhones will sell if all of Apple's competitors are forced to redesign all of their upcoming phones to use old technology, then get regulatory approval? If this ruling is not overturned, the iPhone could be the iPod all over again! __________________ MB Alu 2GHz, iMac i7, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS

Jun 9, 2007, 02:37 AM	#21
MacFly123 macrumors 68000 Join Date: Dec 2006	Conspiracy ;) This is a conspiracy Al Gore now on Apple's board and he is obviously calling his political connections hehe

Jun 9, 2007, 12:54 AM	#2
pavelbure macrumors 6502 Join Date: Feb 2007	i wish this dumb phone would come out asap. i'm sick of seeing these stories. i come on, get all excited about a new rumor, then, BAM !!!, more iphone junk.

Jun 9, 2007, 12:55 AM	#3
happy2000hk macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2006	Nothing can stop the iPhone at this point.

Jun 9, 2007, 01:08 AM	#7
chelsel macrumors 6502 Join Date: May 2007	Why would the other carriers be concerned about losing 3G phones... the iPhone is NOT 3G... If anything this makes the Treo 750 and Cingular 8525 even more valuable than the iPhone... LOL.

Jun 9, 2007, 02:01 AM	#17
booksacool1 macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia	I don't see how people can vote positive on this. Because of some patent dispute there is/will be less consumer choice and less availability on data-centric phones. This decreases competition and will probably drive up prices. How is this a good thing? Sure it helps apple make money selling their iphone, but it doesn't help anyone interested in buying a phone.

Jun 9, 2007, 02:04 AM	#18
coolfactor macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Campbell River, BC, CANADA	All I can say is this was a stroke of luck for Apple. Can you imagine if the iPhone was affected by this? Months of preparation for its launch would've been down the drain.

Jun 9, 2007, 02:33 AM	#20
NEENAHBOY macrumors 6502 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago, IL	Couldn't help notice that the two most affected carriers are the ones using CDMA. So am I to assume, then, that the GSMers primarily use Broadcom?

Jun 9, 2007, 02:42 AM	#22
SiliconAddict macrumors 601 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Burnsville, Minnesota, USA	The only way it helps Apple is via Crapular customers. No one is going to jump from carrier to carrier for a short term shortage. And this WILL be short term. The amount of money involved here guarantees this. __________________ -iPod Video 160GB -MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.33Ghz/3GB RAM/250GB -Newton 4700 (a.k.a iPaq 4700) -Dell 2405FPW 24" Widescreen

Jun 9, 2007, 03:06 AM	#24
JPyre macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pistolvania	I don't know if anybody noticed but Qualcomm stock ins't going down, it's up 2%. I think most investors don't see this ruling holding up. Although if it does stand it would probably benefit AT&T, if anyone. I bet it'll be overturned, nobody enforces patents or IP anyway...

Jun 9, 2007, 05:38 AM	#25
emotion macrumors 68030 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Manchester, UK	Regardless of this news, lack of 3G in the iPhone is pretty weak. Maybe people will let that pass in the US but in Asia and Europe where 3G is the norm for mid to high end phones (and HSDPA, 3.5G is the norm for a high end phone), the market is likely to be less forgiving. Having said that, only time will tell.

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