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No ZFS Support in Leopard?

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InformationWeek claims that Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS, has said that "ZFS is not happening" when questioned about ZFS's inclusion in Leopard.

This contradicts a statement made by Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz during a speech last week:
In fact, this week you'll see that Apple is announcing at their Worldwide Developer Conference that ZFS has become the file system in Mac OS 10.
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Prior betas of Leopard included evidence of early ZFS formatting availability. No word whether the WWDC build of Leopard has any signs of ZFS.
 
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I wouldn't be entirelly surprised to see somesmall form or ZFS support, though I'd be more surprised to see boot support or especially the default file system. The most likely place to see it would be in Leopard server.
 
I didn't expect it (edit: as the default FS). We knew that Apple was interested, but I always assumed that Jonathan was jumping to conclusions.
 
SJ wouldn't deep six the entire filing system for Leopard just to punish Schwartz for his slip-up, would he? Seriously, there's a lot more at stake than just a graphics card.

Maybe Sun is just in SJ's doghouse right now, and ZFS will be announced as one of the 290 other features of Leopard when it is released in October.
 
I wonder why he would say that then. Kinda makes him look dumb. I wonder what that meeting was like at apple after they hear the claims of ZFS. "um, no, I am certian Mr. Jobs. We didnt use it. I am not quite sure why he said that."
 
I sure hope they at least make it an option in some way. Is ZFS compatible with vista? I am about to buy an external Lacie hard drive & need to format it to work both with OS X & XP/Vista. Didn't know once 10.5 is released if I formated the external drive in ZFS if a Windows computer would be able to read/write to it.
 
I still bet it happens someday, maybe October, maybe later.

I wasn't likely to reformat my whole drive just to go ZFS anyway, but it would be cool to have the option. ZFS sounds like an outstanding FS. Maybe one day it will be the default on new Macs.
 
ZFS was the foremost reason why I was going to get very excited over Leopard. The features there now seems to be little more tweaks of Tiger apps (Finder is long overdue), and I'm not giddy with excitement like I have been in the past. Bummer.
 
kenzbud said:
I sure hope they at least make it an option in some way. Is ZFS compatible with vista? I am about to buy an external Lacie hard drive & need to format it to work both with OS X & XP/Vista. Didn't know once 10.5 is released if I formated the external drive in ZFS if a Windows computer would be able to read/write to it.
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Windows can't spell ZFS let alone read or write it...:D
 
kenzbud said:
I sure hope they at least make it an option in some way. Is ZFS compatible with vista? I am about to buy an external Lacie hard drive & need to format it to work both with OS X & XP/Vista. Didn't know once 10.5 is released if I formated the external drive in ZFS if a Windows computer would be able to read/write to it.
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Nope. It's available for Solaris and FreeBSD that I'm aware of.

There's the free open-source FUSE with NTFS-3G -- it gives Mac OS X the ability to write to NTFS, the native NT/XP/Vista filesystem (OS X has built-in read-only capability). Otherwise, you can buy MacDrive 7, which gives XP/Vista the ability to read OS X's HPFS+ filesystem.
 
Jobs has been known to drastically alter Apple's technology roadmap if he's pissed at someone for leaking info, hasn't he? Didn't he switch to Nvida from ATI when ATI leaked info about the (then) upcoming Macs (or something like that)?
 
For me ZFS was going to be the thing that properly made leopard "next generation" without it the improvements whilst taking us forward are not "all that !".

Also can someone tell me what deep sixing is ? We don't have this phrase in england and if i were to guess it's meaning it wouldn't be printable :)
 
motulist said:
Jobs has been known to drastically alter Apple's technology roadmap if he's pissed at someone for leaking info, hasn't he? Didn't he switch to Nvida from ATI when ATI leaked info about the (then) upcoming Macs (or something like that)?
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changing a video card is not going to have anywhere NEAR the same effect as removing a complete file system/volume manager/etc
 
mrfrosty said:
For me ZFS was going to be the thing that properly made leopard "next generation" without it the improvements whilst taking us forward are not "all that !".

Also can someone tell me what deep sixing is ? We don't have this phrase in england and if i were to guess it's meaning it wouldn't be printable :)
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It relates to being buried six feet underground, or burial at sea in the required minimum depth of six feet of water.
 
The fact that Jobs didn't mention it today leads me to believe that it will be supported optionally, at best. At least, for normal volumes. A filesystem is way too important to keep quiet from developers at a developers conference 4 months prior to a product launch.

It could be that time machine uses the filesystem for volumes selected for it. If this is the case, perhaps they didn't care to nod to Sun and name the FS just because of the leak, or they presume it doesn't matter what time machine uses since its handled by the system under the hood.

I'd really like to know one way or another for sure, though. The time for secrecy with leopard is gone, if in fact they're now feature-complete. They should release a lot more information via FAQ so people can get on with it....
 
Leopard NFS now supports Kerberos authentication as...
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from here

I guess it is still NFS:(


Leopard is now an Open Brand UNIX 03 Registered Product, conforming to the SUSv3 and POSIX 1003.1 specifications for the C API, Shell Utilities, and Threads. Since Leopard can compile and run all your existing UNIX 03-compliant code, you can deploy it in environments that demand full conformance — complete with hooks to maintain compatibility with existing software.
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Another find I found interesting... Leopard not BSD based? same link as above
 
I to think that ZFS will end up an optional choice in 10.5 on release and I think maybe they just decided not to show it for what ever reason they had.
 
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