Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Mac Community > Community Discussion > Current Events

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Jul 8, 2003, 07:07 AM   #1
eyelikeart
Moderator emeritus
 
eyelikeart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Metairie, LA
Conjoined Iranian Twins Die After Surgery

I only followed this story as it started to unfold recently. I even watched a little bit about the surgery yesterday on the morning news.

Pretty sad, but hopefully something for the good of medicine will be learned from it so that one day this type of operation can be performed on adults.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=541&ncid=716
eyelikeart is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 07:10 AM   #2
Mr. Anderson
Moderator emeritus
 
Mr. Anderson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: VA
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Anderson
This is really sad - I was following it a little yesterday myself - they had even said that everything was going great and the hardest part was successful (separating a vein in their brains).

Makes you wonder if they didn't die because of the operation, but instead of being separated after a lifetime connected.....

D
__________________
"Klaatu varada nikto!"
Mr. Anderson is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 07:18 AM   #3
Wardofsky
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
This was pretty full on...

I can recall that they said that they want seperate lives even if it included death, that's what I heard...

These things are always dangerous, seperating at the head has been successful on babies but this was the first on adults...

Sad day...
Wardofsky is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 07:25 AM   #4
eyelikeart
Thread Starter
Moderator emeritus
 
eyelikeart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Metairie, LA
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Makes you wonder if they didn't die because of the operation, but instead of being separated after a lifetime connected.....
I know. It didn't really go into detail in this article what the pure cause was. Maybe it was total their bodies sustained from the experience?
eyelikeart is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 07:27 AM   #5
MacFan25
macrumors 68000
 
MacFan25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: USA
I haven't really been following this, but I had heard about it, and I was hoping that it would be successful.

It seems like there's a lot of sad news this past week.
__________________
Folding FAQ - Find out exactly what folding is and how to join MacRumors Team Folding!
MacFan25 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 07:46 AM   #6
dobbin
macrumors 6502a
 
dobbin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: England
This is really sad. Apparently they were really nice people and very successful (both law graduates).

I read that the operation was due to take around 48 hours but yesterday after nearly that time had gone, the doctors said it could still take another 3 days.

The surgeons said that the bone in the skull was thicker than they had expected, and that their two brains were fused where they thought they would be separate.

I would have thought that at least the bone thickness could have been mapped very accurately by MRI or PET, and that they would have had also have had a better idea of how the brains were linked.

It is sad, but I read that the girls understood the risks and were prepared to risk death to give it a go. I hope something has been learned from this for helping people in the future.
dobbin is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 09:59 AM   #7
MacManDan
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
I also heard about this. Apparently they passed away from blood loss. One of the sisters at 2:30PM (eastern time) and the other at 4PM. I think it was an amazing feat that they attempted the surgery at all. The news is very unfortunate, but I'm sure the doctors gave their best with the medical knowledge and technology we have.
MacManDan is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 10:52 AM   #8
wdlove
macrumors 604
 
wdlove's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
I also had followed the story on the news. It's trully a sad outcome. I don't blame them for trying, can't even imagine what it would be like to live with no privacy for 29 years.

With surgery there is always a risk of bleeding. The body gets into a situation where the blood can no longer clot normally. Massive shock that the body can't handle.

My prayers go out to their family and friends!
__________________
First MacRumors "Contributor"
wdlove is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 12:31 PM   #9
bennetsaysargh
macrumors 68020
 
bennetsaysargh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: New York
Send a message via AIM to bennetsaysargh
i have ben following the story for a while, and i am now very sad that it didnt work out for them. i also would like to wish thier family and friends the very best.:'(
bennetsaysargh is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 01:15 PM   #10
eyelikeart
Thread Starter
Moderator emeritus
 
eyelikeart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Metairie, LA
I heard on the radio this morning that the doctors are foregoing their fees for the operation. Previously Iran was going to pay for the post-surgery expenses as well.

For the record, they were fully aware of the complications that could incur from the procedure. They wanted it anyway.
eyelikeart is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 01:41 PM   #11
Doctor Q
Administrator
 
Doctor Q's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles
I watched a TV program a few months ago about surgeries used to separate conjoined twins. The operations have marathon lengths and there is much followup care, but when there is success it is usually the result of the extreme effort put into planning the operation. The Iranian twins' case was a tricky one because of shared blood vessels in their brains. It's a sad outcome.

There was a happier outcome with the Guatemalan twins (now almost 2 years old) who were separated at UCLA. A lot of people here and around the world chipped in to help with the cost. Despite what they've been though, the little girls always seem to be smiling. Here's a simplified but good medical summary of the case.
__________________
Oh do pay attention 007. In the wrong hands, this cylindrical 12-core Mac Pro with three 4K displays, FirePro graphics, and Thunderbolt 2 could be very dangerous.
Doctor Q is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 01:50 PM   #12
macfan
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
A very sad outcome. Apparently they just couldn't get them stabilized and stop the blood loss.

Are the Guatemalan twins still at UCLA or have they gone back home? I know they returned to LA not too long ago for additional medical treatment. One was doing better than the other.
macfan is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 8, 2003, 02:30 PM   #13
Doctor Q
Administrator
 
Doctor Q's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles
The last I heard was that on June 9 one girl (Maria de Jesus Quiej Alvarez) was released from the hospital and the other girl (Maria Teresa) was still in the hospital for treatment to help a wound heal.
__________________
Oh do pay attention 007. In the wrong hands, this cylindrical 12-core Mac Pro with three 4K displays, FirePro graphics, and Thunderbolt 2 could be very dangerous.
Doctor Q is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 9, 2003, 12:42 AM   #14
rainman::|:|
macrumors 603
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: iowa
Send a message via Yahoo to rainman::|:|
i think i remember reading that they had to cut a vein that was as big around as a finger... because of the weird location, it had to be cut. I'm no doctor but this just sounds implausible. That much bloodflow rerouted, it's a disaster in the making. I hope the doctors aren't scorned for losing them, i'm sure they must be quite dedicated...

pnw
rainman::|:| is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 9, 2003, 04:12 AM   #15
dermeister
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Sure the doctors were waiving their fees... But think about it:

If it had worked, the head doctor in charge would have made quite a name for himself. If not, well they tried, and the two women had agreed while acknowledging the possibility of death. Nobody can blame the doctors...

However I do find it absurd that a part they thought was seperate was actually fused... I'm sure there are ways of finding out... Sounds like a mess up to me, unless I'm wrong and that there is no way of knowing.
dermeister is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 9, 2003, 10:32 AM   #16
Billicus
macrumors 6502a
 
Billicus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Charles City, Iowa
I saw the story on Dateline last night. They seemed like perfectly good people to me. It's such a shame that good, honest, hard working people like them have to die while crooked, coniving, mean people get to live. If only the world was filled with more people like them. I mourn their passing.
__________________
"...I know it's hard when you're up to your armpits in alligators to remember you came here to drain the swamp."
- Ronald Reagan February 10, 1982
Billicus is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 9, 2003, 10:34 AM   #17
Billicus
macrumors 6502a
 
Billicus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Charles City, Iowa
Quote:
Originally posted by paulwhannel
i think i remember reading that they had to cut a vein that was as big around as a finger... because of the weird location, it had to be cut. I'm no doctor but this just sounds implausible. That much bloodflow rerouted, it's a disaster in the making. I hope the doctors aren't scorned for losing them, i'm sure they must be quite dedicated...

pnw
I think they actually rerouted the blood in the one twin but they couldn't stop the bleeding from somewhere else, not exactly sure where.

Here is an article about it: Dateline
__________________
"...I know it's hard when you're up to your armpits in alligators to remember you came here to drain the swamp."
- Ronald Reagan February 10, 1982

Last edited by Billicus; Jul 9, 2003 at 10:36 AM.
Billicus is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 13, 2003, 12:26 PM   #18
themadchemist
macrumors 68030
 
themadchemist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Chi Town
Quote:
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I heard on the radio this morning that the doctors are foregoing their fees for the operation. Previously Iran was going to pay for the post-surgery expenses as well.

For the record, they were fully aware of the complications that could incur from the procedure. They wanted it anyway.
The doctors may be foregoing their fees, but I bet the hospital won't forego ITS fees.

Either way, this is certainly unfortunate news. As someone mentioned earlier, prayers go out to friends and family.
__________________
Sometimes, things get worse before they get better. Sometimes, they get better before they get worse. Almost never do they stay the same.
themadchemist is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 23, 2003, 01:59 PM   #19
Doctor Q
Administrator
 
Doctor Q's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Los Angeles
It's only been two weeks, but the same hospital in Singapore has performed another twin separation. This time, it was two 4-month old Korean girls, joined at the lower back. They are expected to recover.

Yahoo news story (available for a limited time)
__________________
Oh do pay attention 007. In the wrong hands, this cylindrical 12-core Mac Pro with three 4K displays, FirePro graphics, and Thunderbolt 2 could be very dangerous.
Doctor Q is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 23, 2003, 08:08 PM   #20
wdlove
macrumors 604
 
wdlove's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Thank you Doctor Q it's heartwarming to hear about the positive results in this case. I'm glad that the Singapore hospital was successful in separating the South Korean twin girls joined at the pelvic area.
__________________
First MacRumors "Contributor"
wdlove is offline   0 Reply With Quote


Reply
MacRumors Forums > Mac Community > Community Discussion > Current Events

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Iphone 3G battery dies right after being unplugged ConverseNikki iPhone Tips, Help and Troubleshooting 7 Nov 22, 2010 12:52 PM
MBP died after 3 hours after installing new RAM jap652 MacBook Pro 6 Mar 1, 2008 03:26 PM
Driver dies after hitting toll booth wdlove Current Events 11 Jun 16, 2004 02:36 PM
Safari died after upgrading QT, iChat & Java donglenn Mac Applications and Mac App Store 9 Mar 26, 2004 07:21 AM
Infant Girl Dies After 2nd Head Removed sethypoo Current Events 12 Feb 9, 2004 03:42 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:19 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC